What Is Your Opinion On Magick?

Yes, I agree with this Omnithought. All spells should be done with the consent of any other person concerned, which is a practice I closely adhere to. That's a basic and strict part of Wiccan training, about which I will say no more. :-) As you so rightly mentioned, black, white and even grey are related to the intention, rather than the actual power or magick. I also agree with this. However, I started this discussion mainly to get differing opinions because I am curious as to what makes people tick when it comes to paganism and the magickal powers of those who practice the Craft. Call it a "crafty" move if you like, but I think you have to agree that some of these responses are curiously interesting and are helping me to learn even more! :-) I thank you for your very descriptive thoughts, and along with a few others, I'm going to give you a + because yours is a very helpful and knowledgable response. Brightest Blessings.

Brilliant response... thank you Omnithought. Do you believe there is black and white magick, or all black, all white, or is it all the same, uncoloured? Brightest Blessings.

Me personal belief is that if the intent is to cause any kind of harm, then it is black. Also, even if one is trying to create healing, if they do so without the consent of the person they are sending it to, it could be black in that it is a violation of freewill. There are also many grey areas. I think the energy itself is simply neutral and will adhere to the intent of the one manipulating it. It doesn't care what it does, it's just energy.

Yes, I agree that the intent suggests the colour. I don't think there is black and white magick. I think magick is just magick and the intent breeds the black or white label. Do you really think there are still cases of humans being sacrificed? I think maybe some beliefs still use animals but not many these days. Thank you for your interesting response and brightest blessings to you.

i think in these days also alot of animals are killed as sacrifise or to bring powers

Really, you think there are a lot? I don't think so, only in certain "religions", but a much sparser practice these days.

On the contrary, I didn't spell it wrong at all. Magick is the old way of spelling the word, and more inclined towards the Pagan world, whereas Magic is indeed the work of magigicians who, as you say, use tricks, rather than spells. :-) That cleared up, I'm very interested in the fact that you say you've seen some magickal happenings. Would you be prepared to go into that further, or have you sworn silence? Whatever, I thank you for your response as it just goes to prove that magick can work, and is a phenomenon, similar to spirits and ghosts I guess. Those who have seen, believe, and those who haven't, have different opinions of it. Thank you very much for your response and brightest blessings.

A very good, middle-of-the-road response Michelle. Yes, the entertainment magic is trickery and illusion, but still quite interesting as to how they do it. lol. Thank you for your response and brightest blessings.

Hi Neenasatine! I'm not qualified, nor would I attempt to actually go into magick at length, with you, but I will give you a couple of URLs which might help you to understand it, if you are really interested. If these are not quite what you're looking for, you'll find plenty of references if you type "what is magick" into the search engine. Here are two for you to check out... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magick http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/msg0001.htm I hope these will be of help to you, in understanding what magick is all about. Thank you for your response and brightest blessings.

Hi Peter! That is your perogative and I respect your beliefs. Thank you for your response and brightest blessings.

Yes, the on stage magicians, or illusionists, do rely on quickness deceiving the eye. However, the likes of Harry Potter, although fictional, and illusion used on film, is nearer the "real" magick. Ok, some of it is a bit far fetched and unreal, but it is based around real magick. Thank you for your response and brightest blessings.

I think your beliefs are quite general in perhaps, a Christian world. The Devil, Satan, or Hell doesn't even exist in most pagan faiths; they only exist in the Chritian and Satanist worlds, so on the contrary; pagans do not use the Devil's power in magick. So many people musinterpret that. However, you've given me your opinion, and I thank you for that because I'm looking to see what the acceptibility and understanding of magick is rather than the understanding of those who perform it, and you have given me a valid opinion, for which I thank you. Brightest Blessings.

Yes, illusionists are interesting, but it's not really magick. It's what you see with your mind's eye but not really a true happening. The spells with the latin wording and words used in the "old religions" are very possibly "real magick", but are you calling this "black" magick? What if I was to tell you that all witches, other than Satanists, probably, have a code of ethics that they are not allowed to harm anybody or anything with their spells, and they believe that if they dare to do so, the badness will come back on them three times as heavy as it was sent out? What would you say then, about magick? Some, of course, think they have super power and will not be harmed, but on the whole, nobody does "bad" magick. Thank you for your response. Brightest Blessings.

Firstly, I don't agree that's black and white. I believe that the intentions are black or white, or can be labelled so, but the actual magick is not. Ok, there are people who work magick which is not so beneficial for those around them, but if they cast spells with malice, it will surely come back on them. To my mind, everything in this world balances, so the good intentions balance the bad, and magick cannot be deciphered as black or white. I believe the main purpose of magick is to heal or benefit people, others, or the person who is working the magick. I hope you understand this... I find it difficult to put into words exactly what I'm trying to say here, but hope you get the gist of it. Thank you for your response and brightest blessings.

I like your way of thinking... you have a good insight as far as magick is concerned, but still, the use of the words black and white. I think you're saying that the intentions can be labelled as black(dark), or white (good) but is the magick not all from the same powers and therefore we are unable to label it? This is a very thoughtful and understanding response. I think I'm going to be awarding you a big fat + for this, as I will be so many other people here, because this discussion is turning out to be a very interesting one. Thank you. Brightest Blessings.

How do you define "black" and "white" magick though, Nishie? To my mind magick is magick and there is no black or white, apart from in the intention of the caster. Indeed, magick is often used for healing, but as you say, there are other purposes for use. Yours is a very good answer and I thank you for that. Brightest Blessings.

Wow... you don't practice magick but you have a very close idea of what it is. No, I haven't seen David Blaine, but his name seems to be cropping up a lot in this discussion. I don't watch tv very much and am in England, so I haven't managed to see him yet. I will have to keep a watch out for him now, though. Indeed, meditation and concentration is a large part of spell casting, and I'm impressed with your response. Thank you for that. Brightest Blessings.

Yes, of course we all have our own opinions and I respect yours as much as anybody's. You have given thought to this. I agree that the people from ages past were in awe of certain natural happenings and they believed they were sent by some extraordinary power but do these beliefs not go on, in say the Christians' belief in God's workings? There are lots of things in life which we don't understand, so our mind's cast them to a super power. Having said this though, I know we all have powers and it depends on whether we develop them as to whether we use them, get results and believe. That's our perrogative. I value your opinion though, and respect it. Thank you for your response and brightest blessings.

An interesting response, Mitraa. Thank you. Brightest Blessings.

Yes, given the tools and the knowledge of how to use them, anybody can work magick, but without the knowledge, I'm afraid they would come undone. The trouble is, most people are frightened to actually attempt to learn and work magick because it's still regarded as dark, and they're afraid of firstly, retribution and secondly, the spell going wrong, which it could well do. I guess you're saying that you believe it can happen, with those two facilities. But do you think it aids things to happen more quickly, or do you think you can rely on the power of thought alone? Brightest Blessings, my dear friend.

Yes, I think it comes down the middle somewhere, if anything. Thank you for your interesting contribution. Brightest Blessings.

Lol... don't I just know it! Thank you for your response.

You seem to be pretty clued up on magick despite thinking you don't know much! I'm Pagan too, and perhaps if your friend explained the Wiccan Rede to you, you might realise how close you are. Thank you for your response... I enjoyed reading that. Brightest Blessings.

I agree with that to a point. You have to believe something will happen for it to happen but I don't think it's at the back of your mind. I think you release the power of thought into the atmosphere/air to do what it will, rather than store it. However, that doesn't stop you thinking about it. So again, we come back to power of thought. You've made a very interesting point there... thank you. Brightest Blessings.