Muslims beating their wife again!

@salam1 (1474)
Malaysia
March 10, 2007 12:53am CST
I just chosen quite a sensational title to attract attention. Not to invites more debate and misundersting but to clear the unresolved matter. To let everybody know that Islam tells me to lead, educate, and love my wife. Prophet Muhammad told Muslims that a wife's blood, property, and dignity are sacred. And Islam is against 'beating wife'. I am not an expert to explain more than that. But everybody can read an article written by Islamic scholars here: http://www.islamonline.net/english/In_Depth/IslamWifeBeating/index.shtmal (hope you enjoy this reading!) Prophet Muhammad said: "Among the Muslims, the most perfect as regard his faith is the one whose character is most excellent, and the best among you are those who treat their wife well". Other than this saying it must be misinterpretation of Islamic teaching! If Muslim beat their wife then it is not because of their religion's teachings, but it because of their weaknesses as a human. Let us forgive each other and let us promote LOVE in MyLot!
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
10 Mar 07
Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath men the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Here is my problem. The above passage states clearly that men are in charge and women must obey them. Does this not place women in a position of second class citizenship? It states above that men have an obligation to discipline their wives if their wives do not do as they say. How is this equality? How is this not oppression? I'm not trying to put down your beliefs, but as a women, this is very insulting to me. I am not my husbands child, not my husbands property. I make my own decisions and he has neither the right nor the responsiblity to make me bow to his whim. I ask you, can you understand why women would take offense to such a statement????
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• United States
10 Mar 07
a big AMEN to that!
@salam1 (1474)
• Malaysia
11 Mar 07
Nope, women are equal to men according to Islam. Islam recognize this similarity long before women are allow to vote, 1400 years ago. You can read history. You cannot read only translation of Alquran, its too general, I am not sure the word "beating" is correct or not when you translate arabic to english for that context. You have to read interpretation of Alquran instead, which is takes time. That is why I suggest you ask Islamic scholarsor open the site that I put above. cheers!
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
11 Mar 07
"As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them." You are saying that this passage is mistranlated. That women are not their husbands property to be disciplined if they are "rebellious."
@abroji (3247)
• India
10 Mar 07
I don't know what Islam teaches about woman. But in our place in India I can see several Muslims practising polygamy. Without sustainable reasons men use to unilaterally declare divorce by proclaiming 'Talaq' three times and push innocent women into dismay and missery. There is no reason other than greed and lust. Inspite of these facts the clerics keep on preaching the might of the religion that it advocates healthy and intact family life. They promote this talaq system in the name of Shariat.
@gloria777 (1674)
• India
10 Mar 07
No God fearing person will beat his wife. But I am sorry say that Quaran has the provision to beat Wives & people is just misuing the provision. So in the first place why Quaran has such a worst provision.
@salam1 (1474)
• Malaysia
11 Mar 07
Alquran is written in Arabic, many people know that arabic is one of the most difficult language to master. So, if we simply quote translation of Quran here, I am afraid we can capture the meaning! Only expert can interprete Alquran. Have you open the link that I put up there guys? Islam, similar to other religion has to be understand with patient and open mind. I hope I can post more thing about Islam, if some people do not like it its ok. We Muslim are proud with what we have. cheers!
• New Zealand
24 Mar 07
Anything is a sum of its parts. If a "part" of Islam does not stack up, the whole does not either. In the Koran, not only does Mohammed beat his wife, but also his friends too!! It is further elaborated in the hearsay called the Hadith.
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
11 Mar 07
Salam, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt. Why will you not answer me? It's not a difficult question. Does the right of men to impose punishment on their wives constitute second class citizenship and am I incorrect for being offended by this? I'm not asking for much, just an answer to my question.
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@salam1 (1474)
• Malaysia
11 Mar 07
I am sorry, I am away for a while. Thanks cyntrow, I am not looking for a fight, but fighting is fun for most people here I see. To everybody - I am not citing Alquran here because to interprete Alquran requires several years of study. I am afraid not a single people here is qualified to interprete quran here. To read translation of Alquran is easy but if its done without knowledge you will be lost! So, I brought the saying of Prophet Muhammad up there because He is human like us, and his word is easy to understand. I am not an expert guys! So, dont quote Alquran here if you dont know how to interprete them. I have link my discussion above to a website, everybody can read and ask there. There are expert there! Alquran says that if you have doubt ask 'ahli zikr' or experts! I thought this matter has resolved but so many new questions arise. I am waiting for a friend of mine, Julio from Brazil. He is here, he can refers you all to other references as well. I will ask him then , cheers!
@salam1 (1474)
• Malaysia
11 Mar 07
Women is not second class citizen. Islam does not ask women to work, husband have to work for a living. Women in Islam is in first class, she is in her husband heart (as stated above -educate, guide, and love by him).
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
11 Mar 07
OK, I guess you just really don't understand. "To educate, to guide, to love." I educate, guide and love my dog. I respect, converse with and love my husband and he does likewise with me. If my husband want to do something perhaps expensive, he consults me. If I do not agree, we work out a compromise. And Vice versa is true. We might even argue, but it is not a given that he is always right and I must do as he says.
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• United States
10 Mar 07
Actually, Islam DOES promote wife beating: Sura 4:34 ...As for those [women] from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. There's not really any way to put this in a context where it doesn't say to beat your wife. So, basically, if a man's wife does not obey her husband, he should first yell at her, then make them sleep in the other room, then beat them. It's right there in the Qu'ran.
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@salam1 (1474)
• Malaysia
11 Mar 07
It must be with the translation of the Quran, read the interpretation of Quran please. I cant help to interprete the Quran its beyond my expertise. The saying of Prophet is easier He is a man, we can understand him better!
• United States
11 Mar 07
There's not a lot of confusion to he had. It's pretty straightforward.
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@alirana (297)
• Malaysia
10 Mar 07
Blessing of Allah almighty to all of you who likes to discus about the Islam to clear the misconception about Islam. Actually there is no problems about the teaching of Islam.Only dark side is that fellows from other religion try to use any provisions given by The Islam to portray the meaning of Islam bad. Actually now the major problems is the understanding of faith..if some one know the meanings of faith and creed that person can really discuss about the religion.Now a days any fellow of ordinary prudence just stand up and chant the slogan about the islam. So the media will help him to put his voice on the Air so whole world can see and the issue can be worse. If any one does not know even their own religion or beliefs who they can blame others. May Allah give Hiday to all who do this vicious kind of acts.
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• New Zealand
24 Mar 07
He also says kill them!!
@salam1 (1474)
• Malaysia
11 Mar 07
Yes, they dont know about Islam. Prophet Muhammad prays that the people that dont know may God guides them.
@jricbt (1454)
• Brazil
13 Mar 07
Nothing new. Muslims beat their wives. And christians, and hindus, and atheists, and so on. People don't beat wifes because of religion (or lack of it), they may even seek some kind of justification in religion. But they beat their wives because they are trash in human form.
@Bee1955 (3882)
• United States
11 Mar 07
Islam - moon
Thank you Brother for that simple explaination. Wifebeating is abundent in all cultures, even America. As a social worker, I have see more instances of severely beaten wives in the US than I did in 5 years of living in the Middle Eastern countries. Yet, in the USA all I hear is that if I wear the veil (hijab) that my husband must beat me and I am oppressed, not because I am following a sanction of religious devotion. Guess what? My husband is American and non-Muslim, but I wear the hijab and long clothing as part of that devotion to God which he RESPECTS. Now what else can Western people twist or lower on Muslim women?
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
11 Mar 07
OK, so as a muslim woman, do you consider your husband to be the person who makes all decisions in your household? Do you think that if you disobey your husband, he has the right and responsiblity to discipline you as if you were a child, or worse; a family pet? This is the question. You are dancing around the issue. You are a woman; proud and strong. No man should own you. Period.
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@salam1 (1474)
• Malaysia
11 Mar 07
Hi cyntrow.. what a heat discussion eh! I am here, I have answered your question above!
@salam1 (1474)
• Malaysia
11 Mar 07
Ya, in Islam husband is responsible for food, shelter, and other physical, mental, intellectual and spritual needs of his mother, father, wife, children, and sisters. So, he is the provider. A wife is responsible for the security of the property of her husband when the husband is away/not at home, and responsible to care the children. But, if the husband and wife agree that the wife want to work and earn income, then the wife will work. The wife can keep the money for herself or can spend for the family if she want to, its up to her! Yup, wife have to obey husband in exchange of the all the support that the husband had to give, as I mentioned above. But, as I posted above Prophet Muhammad always reminded husband to forgive his wife because wife or women always sacrifice for the good of a family. As a Muslim, I am happy with the Islamic rules above (you can refer to the website I link above, many complete explanation available there PLEASE READ). If you non Muslims dont like what we did its ok. You can have fun with your family, we Muslim are not forcing you to follow our way of life. There some Muslim women dont want to marry because they afraid they cant obey their husband, then they stay single, its ok. There are some working Muslim women before marry they have discussed with the will be husband - husband will pay house rent, car loan, and women will buy food and cloth for children, then they agree and they marry - Islam allows this, Islam allows as long as both wife and husband agree. I hope we can learn from other religion and culture, if we are a learner then everyday we will be getting better and better! If we want to look for the bad in other religion and culture we will get high blood pressure, heart attack, premature aging, not good for our health ;). Have a good time everybody!
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
24 Mar 07
Islam sanctioned wife beating will not promote any support for Islam from thinking people. Unfortunately salam, when you invite attention through a title such as this, you get the attention the topic deserves. This is certainly an emotive topic for women in general and Muslim women in particular. In the repressed societies of the Middle East where I have lived in or travelled to, I have met and listened to the stories of many women who live lives of quiet desperation under the harshest of human laws. Ask these women who speak up against all odds: Ghada Jamsheer Author: The Executioner and the Victim in Sharia Courts Bahrain Maria Makrem, Morocco. Journalist – El Ayam Newspaper Malalai Joya Afghanistan – Member of Parliament These are women who live in Islamic societies, speak for Islamic Women's rights and have been harassed by their Islamic societies. You guys are in a state of denial. Knock knock! Wake up.
• United States
10 Mar 07
you say "!If Muslim beat their wife then it is not because of their religion's teachings, but it because of their weaknesses as a human"then why is it in the quoran???Quran’s authorization for husbands to beat disobedient wives. This is found in chapter 4, called “Women”, verse 34. Additional information on Islamic wife beating is found in Muhammad’s Traditions (Hadith), and Sira (biographical material). Many people have criticized Islam because of this harsh sanction, and many Muslims have written articles seeking ways to mollify or defend it. In review of the actual teachings of the Quran, Hadith, and Sira, Islam is rightly criticized. This command is not only a harsh way to treat one’s wife, it portrays the degraded position of married women in Islam. It will be shown from the Quran, Hadith, Sira, and other Islamic writings that this “Islamic” wife beating is physical and painful. To fully comprehend the issue of Islamic wife beating her position with respect to her husband must be first understood. Wife beating is allowed because of the lower position she occupies. A person with a severe virus may run a high fever. While the fever can be quite a grave problem it is actually a symptom of another sickness at work. Wife beating is a symptom of the wife’s degraded status in Islam. Beyond the right of husbands to beat their disobedient wives, there is a deeper, more pernicious, disease at work. Wife beating is merely the bad fruit of a bad root. Once this element is understood the rationale behind Muhammad’s command to beat disobedient wives comes into focus and fits in its proper place. When I first began to study the topic, I did not realize that an Islamic marriage is not equivalent to a Christian marriage. Its rules, roles, and requirements are quite different. In a Christian marriage, the husband is given the role as head of the household, and the wife is expected to submit to the husband’s leadership. However, she is his equal in terms of social and religious status; she is not inferior to him. In Islam, the husband is the custodian of his wife. She is considered to be in-between slave and free. The woman is managed and controlled. The relationship between a married woman and her husband is similar to the relationship between parents and children However women are not children ND THESE DAYS CAN BE MORE EDUCATED THAN MAn!
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
10 Mar 07
Really all you can do is look at the example and inspiration people use today. The examples of Islamic treatment of women is not compliant with the rest of the world's view on human rights. Muslims say it isn't bad, it is good because it either doesn't happen or happens to keep the women pure, by the men's standards. The inspiration is quite clear, when ulema and the Quran both give excuses or encourage or even when they refuse to denounce it, it sets precedent. These are the only things outsiders can observe and they are the largest thing to draw example from.
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
11 Mar 07
OK, let me change this around a bit. I love my dog. I make sure my dog is taken care of. I give my dog a bed to sleep in an I buy him things that he needs. Now, if my dog gets out of the yard, he knows this is not permissible. When I find him, and knowing that he is disobedient, I will first yell at him. If he gets out of the yard again, I will take his toys from him. If he gets out of the yard again, I will smack him over the nose with a newpaper. Then when he decides to be obedient, I will give him my love again. We women are reduced to the status of family pet from the passage that I have read. Is this not insulting????
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@salam1 (1474)
• Malaysia
11 Mar 07
I know you have expertise in comparing religion, great rev! Can you elaborate a bit more how Prophet Muhammad ask Muslim to beat his wife. As far as i can remember he said: you take a soft cloth (they cloth arabs used to cover their head), make a knot and beat the wife using the cloth. But remember Prophet Muhammad said blood/life, property, and dignity of the wife is sacred. Beat in order to educate the wife. I dont know the word beat maybe a very harsh term eh! I dont know whether Prophet Muhammad ever beat her wife even usig the soft cloth but He caled his wife Aisyah "honey!". Not many Muslim do that nowadays, I called my wife "beauty women" several times, man like me too shy to say that everyday ;)
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@urwaseem (37)
• India
11 Mar 07
Yes dear you cant sy a religion is bad becoz its followers r not going along the rules of religion. What the problem in this world is that every one is against islam, dont why such a response towards such a peaceful religion.Any ways muslims will get rewards in the next world for their sufferings in this world. so only thing to do, my brother, is to spread the message the only rligion acceptable to Allah. That way u r making urself secure from the hell of next wold
@salam1 (1474)
• Malaysia
11 Mar 07
Urwaseem, I feel the heat too. It seems that non Muslim know Islam a lot about Islam. I will try to ask about their religion later, hope to get more explanation!