Do You Think People that Home School Should have to be tested to qualify

two little girls - two little friends in black and white playing in a field
@onabreak2 (1161)
United States
March 19, 2007 8:35pm CST
Well I do. I know people that are home schooling their kids that are dumber then dirt in some departments. How can they teach their children when they dont even know themselves. Are they learning along with the kids. It seems to me there should be some kind of testing that people should be put through to qualify to teach at home. The reason I am questioning this is because my son just happened that a married friend of his was having his wife teach their kids at home. And I know this girl isnt the brightest light on the tree. Do you know anyone that homeschools that you dont think is qualified to? What do you think of this whole home schooling?
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@shogunly (1397)
• Libya
20 Mar 07
I dont know if that will help , but maybe if a short refreshment teacher-preparation course was custom made for home-teaching parents , that would help the parents focus on important aspects of the material they are teaching , also the course should be prepared keeping in mind the parts of the curriculum that are most likely to be misunderstood by the average layman adult . That could be followed by a simplified test for parents who wish to take it .However I do not believe ANY parent should be prevented from the option of teaching the children themselves EXCEPT if alternative FREE education is made available (free public school for example) . I dont know what the situation in the other countries is ,but my understanding is that there are no free schools .
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@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
20 Mar 07
Thank you for the comment. I live in the United States and public schools are free. The private schools here are not. So home schooling is not for the poor people. Most of the time it is done by stay at home Mom's. Which is very admiral but at the same time it isnt real good when the Moms are not that bright themselves.
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@k1tten (2318)
• United States
20 Mar 07
In some cases I believe so. Many parents are qualified to teach their children but others aren't. I'm not dissing home schooling but I have seen one effect of it as I went to school a guy who didn't enter regular school until then and he wasn't used to the taunting and teasing that goes on in schools. Home schooled children aren't as socialized to the school system. It hurts those children. But then the aspect that many are far beyond children that go to school. So like I said there are good and bad points to home schooling. And part of that is people who teach it. There should be a test is all I'm saying.
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@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
21 Mar 07
Something to think about the Home Schooled kids that enter the public school is that they seem to know who they are and they don't rely on peers to create an identity for them. Some may not be used to the taunting and teasing, because they may have been sheltered from it, but they do learn quickly how to adjust and deal with it in a more mature way than most kids their ages. Most Parents that take on home schooling, take that on as a serious job. There are so many resources, support groups for home schooled kids and parents, home school clubs: football clubs, tennis clubs, chess clubs, community service clubs, dance clubs, activity organizer clubs, its just getting hooked up to know how to find everyone.
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@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
20 Mar 07
I believe so too and the socializing thing about it is almost as damaging if not more then the people that are teaching that don't know what they are doing. Thank you for your response.
• United States
20 Mar 07
I think parents should be screened in some way. Because a lot of parents don't even teach their children anything. They decide to keep them home and all day long all they do is sit and watch tv and color. The kids don't learn anything, how are they a productive member of society? I don't think they shouldn't school them at all, so something needs to be done.
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@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
20 Mar 07
I really they think they should too. Otherwise when they get into high school and into the job field they will be stuck in very low pay jobs. Thank you for your comment.
• United States
20 Mar 07
Highflyingxangel How do you know what the parents do when they homeschool? What you are you doing, just listening to one side? The one side that doesn't want homeschooling? Wise up.
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@Modestah (11179)
• United States
20 Mar 07
LOL. what a false stereotype. If that was what the majority did, why is it that home educated children are the ones winning the science fairs and the spelling bees? and entering colleges with highest honors and scholarships. Their learning is not hindered by *no child left behind* and teaching to the lowest common denominator, as the public schooled child is. They are permitted to excel and achieve up to their potential. As far as "a lot of parents dont even teach, they just watch the tv etc" that you accused. Let me tell you, it is a lot EASIER to send your kids off to public school indoctrination - for the day - so many kids are hauled off and herded like a bunch of goats, so that the parent does not have to "deal" with them. homeschool parents are the most devoted that i have ever met. There is enough attack against parental rights, let us not add this to it.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
24 Mar 07
No I don't think people who homeschool should be test to see if they are "qualified". My nephew was home schooled two years ago because the school here didn't think he was mature enough to continue with his class although he had passing grades and had met the requirements to go on to the next level. My mother in law handled his home schooling and within 1 year had him ready to meet the requirements that the school presented in order to move on to the next grade with his class. This is a prime example of teachers not doing their jobs. The failure in this case was the teachers, and not my nephew. She did not have the patience required nor did she take the time necessary to ensure that he was ready to go to the next grade level. It's either that, or he did not fit in with the "established norms" as set forth in our Socialistic and Liberalistic Education System. Public Schools want to put everyone in little boxes. They want to label them and categorize them, and then they want to indoctrinate them into a life of servitude to not only their employers but also to the government. They are taught to accept everything at face value and to do what they are told. The structure of the school day gets them used to the structure of a normal job routine. The structure of the school hierarchy prepares them for dealing with employers and those in authority while diminishing any vestiges of individuality or independent thought. Socialistic concepts and Evolution Theories are taught and encouraged while Capitalism and Creationism is discouraged. Social Order is emphasized over independence and personal freedoms. Those who chose to homeschool have every right to do so. If the child's progress is shown to be at least comparable to those who are in public school then there is no cause for anyone to be concerned. If the child is way behind the others then steps should be taken to correct the problem. Mandatory testing of parents who homeschool is a bad idea, and can lead to abuse by those who do the testing. Lincoln was not only home schooled but also self-taught, and he went on to greatness. Worry less about home schooling, and more about correcting the failure of our public schools.
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@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
25 Mar 07
Thank you for all this information. It was and is very interesting. Thank you for the time to provide me with all of this.
• United States
25 Mar 07
You bring up a great point! Here's some statistics for those still unconvinced: In a 1997 study of over 5000 homeschoolers from over 1000 families found that on average the homeschoolers outperformed their public school counterparts by 30 to 37 pertenctile points in all subjects. The average cost per homeschooler was $546 where as the average cost per public school student was $5325 and the homeschool student averaged in the 85% vs the public school student's 50% in nationally standarized tests. The study goes on to try to find a difference between the races among the homeschoolers and finds none. It looks for differences in amount spent on the homeschoolers education (from less than $200 to more than $600) and still finds none. The point is, that homeschooling works! It works because the parents put their time and attention into making sure the child understands what they are doing and can find the best way to teach the child. It doesn't matter if the parent has a college education or a 5th grade education. All that matters is the dedication of the parent and child to exceed in a quality educational experience. You can read the study yourself at: www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp Or just do a search with your favorite search engine on homeschool vs public school test scores and see what you come up with!
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@Michele21 (3093)
• United States
20 Mar 07
I agree with you. My parents homeschooled me for a few years (it was a miserable time because I got no social interaction) but my mom is smart and helped me with everything I needed. But I don't think any parents should be able to teach their children, it should be regulated in some way. I am not a fan of homeschooling and would never do it to my kids. But I am sure there are alot of people out there that do homeschool their kids and do a great job, but I believe the majority don't know enough to be teaching their kids everything.
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@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
20 Mar 07
Why is it ppl think childrne dont socialize?? Michele21 did you have no friends in your area? Did you not go to birthday parties, the park, family functions etc or were you constantly stuck in the house with nobody around? We socialize ever single day....My kids were homeschooled for two yrs back in Canada and it didnt affect their socilization AT ALL in fact it upped it...the kids missed them at school so they were always all at my house after school, on the weekends etc etc...not to mention summer break and so on...
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@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
20 Mar 07
I often wondered how home school kids felt when they were met with the challenge of the social scene. I was sent to private school till high school so when I went to public high school I felt like an outsider. I met some friends there that are still my dear friends today but I have always felt like I missed out on going to school with other kids in the neighborhood like the other kids did. Thank you for your very honest answer.
@Modestah (11179)
• United States
20 Mar 07
Oh good grief! socializing. Bah, school is for learning. no wonder the public school system turns out so many LESS educated children than homeschooling does. They are overly concerned with socializing. But, listen, who do your kids socialize with in institutional schools? each other. that is, their peer group ONLY. A home educated child is generally skilled in socializing with ALL ages, they are just as comfortable with a baby or an elderly person as with a child their own age. I see a lot more damaged and troubled children coming out of the public school system than out of private home schooling. Home educated children are well adjusted - do not tend to be whiners or blamers of the world for their problems.
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• United States
20 Mar 07
I agree; maybe there should be some kind of testing to make sure you're qualified to home school. I think the problem is usually that it takes more time and effort than a lot of people realize. I think most of the text books come with the answers in the back. Or you can get them that way,anyhow. But I do agree with you on the point that you can't teach someone what you yourself don't know.
@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
20 Mar 07
Yes that is right. How can they teach what they dont know. I think that the whole home schooling deal might turn out to be an experiment that did not work. That is going to be really sad.
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• United States
20 Mar 07
You guys have been so indoctrinated in the public school system you can't see anything. Ya don't know anything...wise up I say!
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@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
20 Mar 07
Carly I did not go to public schools till I entered into High School I went to Private School.
• United States
21 Mar 07
I completely understand where you are coming from. I have two daughters. I homeschool my oldest daughter, who is 13, and my youngest daughter goes to public school. They are like daylight and dark. They have two totally different personalities. I started homeschooling my daughter when she was in the 6th grade. When she was in public school, she was making C's and D's and could not spell very well. The teachers in public school did not seem very concerned that she had trouble spelling and that her grades were poor. I decided to homeschool her because she needed extra attention that she wasn't receiving at public school. I do agree with you that some parents should not be allowed to homeschool their children. Some parents homeschool for wrong reasons. I do believe homeschooling is a good idea in some cases. Homeschool parents should also have their children involved in activities where they can interact with other children so that they will be able to deal with the pressures and changes of the social scene.
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@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
21 Mar 07
Thank you for your comment. You sound like a perfectly well adjusted person and I am sure a wonderful teacher . Good luck with it and Thank you again for your response to this discussion.
@Modestah (11179)
• United States
21 Mar 07
Kira, As you are likely aware, there are home education groups in most areas. There are such ongoing activities as Public Speech, Science Fairs, Workshops and Guilds, as well as; organized sports and dance troupes. Most places do have criteria for the home school to fulfill. I think Oklahoma is the most lenient of all states - they have huge homeschool conferences at the capital building. Their former(?) Gov. was very much pro homeschool. Most people who do not have an unjust bias are.
@Ravenladyj (22904)
• United States
20 Mar 07
I have a grade 8 education (complete and part of grade 9) and I homeschooled my kids for 2 yrs with great success...Do I think there should be some sort of testing? that would depend...Who would decide what the test would consist of? Who would be giving the test? if its the school board they are going to be more inclined to fail ppl unnecessarily because they want those kids in school (it looks better for them, and finacially is better for them)...the State? Well I dont know aobut other States but here in NY it would NOT be a good thing, again because the State is far too demanding and would be more inclined to make the acceptable level far too high/unreachable for most....Not to mention the fact that ppl tend to assume that homeschooling should be done in one set fashion which is so far from the truth...I UNschooled my kids...they have an Aunt who homeschooled in a very structured setting which is what worked for them...and so on...And finally...just because the parent isnt necessarily skilled in certain areas or "the brightest person" type thing doesnt mean there isnt resources..there are PLENTY of resources for a homeschooling parent.... What do I think of homeschooling in general...Well for us it was the best thing we could have done when living back in Canada...BUT its certainly not for everyone particularly if the parent gets caught up in the "you HAVE TO do it this way" type thng rather than doing things their way..
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@Modestah (11179)
• United States
20 Mar 07
I agree, they want our kids in their schools because number 1, they get a lot of money kick back for it. Our tax dollars are not enough - they get more for each child there. And then they do not want our children learning because if they put them in special ed classes they get even more money.
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@erikssion (109)
• Philippines
20 Mar 07
Home Schooling one's child is a parent's prerogative. If the parent feels that they have to home school their children, they have every right to do it. But, home schooling just for the sake of home schooling is something that I don't agree on. It depends on the situation of the family. Thus, I don't agree that there should be testing for parents who Home School their children. But, as much as possible, children should be taken to a proper school to experience learning in the best way.
@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
21 Mar 07
Thank you for your comment although I am not really sure what it is. A yes or a no or a no and a yes. Or Both. Thank you anyway for not going off on a tangent about this discussion like so many of the home schoolers did.
@Modestah (11179)
• United States
20 Mar 07
no, I do not. The parent is the first and most important teacher a child has. It is the parent who teaches the child to walk, by encouragement - even if the parent is in a wheel chair. It is the parent who teaches the child to use the potty. (even if the parent is incontinent, he/she can teach this) It is the parent who teaches the child to talk - and I have deaf friends who naturally have a huge speech impediment, yet their children speak wonderfully... IT is the parent who teaches the child to love, even if no love is returned. your question makes me wonder if you think parents should be tested for qualifications to be a parent... and just who makes that determining decision? the criteria? What I have taught my children is how to learn - so if they exceed my knowledge or my inteligence *BRAVO* they will continue to grow because they know HOW to learn. Anyone who was able to graduate public school should certainly be able to pass along what he has learned, and his abilities should be sufficient to teach his child. Do not be fooled that a public school teacher is necessarily that much more inteligent, that much more knowledgeable than a parent with no degree. IF as you say a person is dumber than dirt (what a horrile expression) then I doubt they would be very inspired to home educate anyhow.
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@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
21 Mar 07
Wow....I have to agree that even if the parent isn't completely knowledgeable about a subject (as public school teachers aren't all knowing either) that doesn't make them a poor teacher. Some parents may not have the formal education, but do have the education of Hard Knocks and desire better for their child and can provide that knowledge of how to discover answers for anything. You can always find resources to master any subject and if a parent is committed and motivated to teach their child, then more power to them.
@mari61960 (4893)
• United States
22 Mar 07
I must say I completely agree with modestah. And I think your response is very rude and uncalled for.
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@Modestah (11179)
• United States
21 Mar 07
WOW! ona, you are showing a prime example as to why many parents home educate. This reply that you commented on with such heightened and gratuitous hate is the first reply that I made on your thread. The other comments were made secondary and on. You are the meanest most hatefilled person I have ever witnessed on mylot. And I dread to think what it is that fuels such viciousness. It must be a horrible strain to be so miserable a creature. My heart wrenches for you :(
@carolscash (9492)
• United States
20 Mar 07
Okay, I am a home school parent who is "bright " enough to school my kids. I graduated from high school in the top 15% of the class and I went to college and studied elementary education. I am very intelligent and yes, I don't know everything, but I am as qualified as any teacher in any public school system. I dont' believe parents need to be tested to school the kids because if they are following state law with the schooling then mot kids are tested or checked on any way. Speaking of teachers and public schools, here is something that happened to my daughter the last year that she attended public school and after reading this, see if you still see public schools as the best place for a child to be. My child was turning in assignments and getting them back with failing grades on them, She came home and mentioned to me that she must be having problems with the work as she was failing, so I agreed to help her with her work that evening. The next day, she came home and said that she failed again. I knew something was wrong so I looked at the papers and marked the things that I knew were right that had been marked wrong. I went to the teacher the next day and asked for an explanation and was told that she didnt' know why they were wrong. We set up an appointment with the prinicipal and teacher and were told that the teacher's aid in the class room had graded it as a different subject. She had graded a spelling assignment as a science paper. How dumb can you be?? These are the kinds of people that can be allowed to teach our kids in public school. I know not all teachers are like that but my point is that some parents are just the same as some of the teachers we have within the school system. I believe home schooling your child is a choice that you have and just because you don't feel it is right gives you no right to misrepresent the public about home schooled kids. Most of them are much "brighter" than public schooled kids and much more mature as they have more interaction with adults than mot kids. My children have plenty of social time at chuch,work,etc. Plus, the hours we are "in school" we are working- not playing or sleeping etc. I know what they are learning too!
@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
21 Mar 07
I think this is terrible but again this is not something that happens every day. And that teacher should not be teaching in school or at home. Thank you for your comment. PS. I would have been madder then a wet hen.
@fatragu (677)
• United States
20 Mar 07
I won't be homeschooling my kiddos because I am one of those dumb people that you are talking about lol. I have really bad memory problems and don't remember most of what I was taught in school. The only teaching that I am doing is getting my 2yr old started on her numbers, colors, letters, counting, and being able to point out what different things are. She also is learning how to bake and that is what I am teaching her. I do plan on sending them to public school because of the interaction and I plan on getting a day job once they are all in school. I also think that there should be tests like we had to take senior year for people that want to homeschool.
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@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
20 Mar 07
No you are not one of those dumb people. Compared to some of them you are Einstein. You know your limitations and are honest about them. Thank you for your comment.
@Modestah (11179)
• United States
20 Mar 07
Ragu, If you are bright enough to take employment you are surely bright enough to educate your children. Shoot, you already ARE educating your child, and creating the foundation that he will build upon for the rest of his life. Whether or not you decide to send your child off to school or to teach him at home, you have already created in him a desire to learn. I adamantly. I disagree with the required testing, The gov't has enough say in our lives as it is. Let them govern the country not the parenting.
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• Philippines
20 Mar 07
yes!home schooling is a tough work!when u home school,u have to be good in all areas..how could u teach a child at home if you yourself don't have a profound interest on the subject matters? people that home school should also learn how to teach a child apply the theories taught at home. people who home school must be screened and must undergo rigid training for them to master the subjects and for them to let the child apply what he has learned.
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@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
21 Mar 07
Why is it so difficult to understand that it doesn't take a genius in all subjects to teach a child? Just because you feel someone is dumb, doesn't make it true. Think about this....the person found out how to take part in home schooling and its working for them. That takes a genius to do! Just getting the right paperwork and finding curriculum and organizing it all is no easy task. In my eyes...They're qualified! :)
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@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
20 Mar 07
Thank you for your comment
• United States
20 Mar 07
The idea is that everyone gets an education. If they choose to opt out of the public school system then that's their choice. They already know their own abilities. Who cares I say!
@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
21 Mar 07
Thank you for your comment.
@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
21 Mar 07
Whether you want to accept it or not, anyone that can read, comprehend, and follow directions is capable to teach their child the basics for English, Math, and Sciences. Most curriculums are setup in such a simple, well planned out, easy to follow way and are completely successful at teaching a child what they need to know. What do you think the public schools use? In actuality, a homeschooling parent is a better teacher because it creates a one-on-one personal tutor that cares about the child succeeding. Even if a parent isn't all-knowing in every topic, there are so many resources for home schoolers that your head would spin. Depending on what homeschooling program you take part in, sometimes you have access to specialized tutoring from a credentialed teacher as well. My concern with the opinion you hold....is the fact that because you feel someone is dumber than dirt then that perception is truly accurate. Maybe you're unaware of this persons true abilities. I find that a lot of people that put down home-schooling are insecure with their own ability to teach or seem to be somewhat jealous or wishing they were brave enough to take it on for themselves. Just some food for thought.
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@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
24 Mar 07
Thank you for your comment. I guess there are a lot of resources for the kids. More probably then there use to be.
@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
20 Mar 07
Yes, I do think that anyone who is in charge of children's education should be qualified to do so. All countries have a standard to which they expect children to be educated and anyone who sets up an educational establishment privately is usually inspected regularly to see that they conform and that basic standards are adhered to. This should apply equally to Home Schoolers as to private and public schools. I know that there is a lot of help and material for anyone wishing to Home School. I don't know if one has to register the fact that you want to withdraw your child from the State education system. I think that is the case in the UK and I believe that, if you did do that, you would have to undertake to educate your child to a minimum standard. I don't know what applies elsewhere.
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
26 Mar 07
It's a shame that those who are so vociferous also tend to be the ones who quite evidently have not had sufficient education themselves. I think that it proves your point (and mine) rather! Our governments may not always be trusted to know WHAT children should learn but at least they do have sensible standards about the LEVEL to which they should attain. Thank you for Best Response. I see that you are continuing to get some excellent answers.
@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
21 Mar 07
Well I cant believe that Ms. Modesto didn't leave a rude remark on your rational comment. Thank you for taking the time to comment in a sane and nice manner.
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@langhua (501)
• China
20 Mar 07
I think people that home school should have to be tested to qualify.
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@juls2me2 (2150)
• United States
21 Mar 07
I would be curious to what type of testing you think would qualify a parent to teach their child. Especially if a parent made it through elementary - high school and already received a diploma. The public school teachers aren't all credentialled and they seem to manage with the curriculum they have. Home Schooled parents have curriculum...sometimes its even provided to them by their local school districts. All the answers are there and step-by-step instructions for projects and ideas to implement what is being taught. What are people afraid of? Is it a control thing? Is it a I'm smarter than you perception thing?
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• United States
20 Mar 07
By whom? By the stupid SCHOOL BOARD? You need to be tested.
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• United States
21 Mar 07
i was worried at first when i started home schooling my kids. i got my GED but that was it. it wasnt because i didnt want to go further it was because life and the way i was raised. i was scared that it had been so long that i would not remember things etc. i use the alpha omega books for my kids and to be honest if they are getting ready to do somethingi dont remember i look at the books. they explain everything. it is a complete guide to home schooling. my kids were tested and there scores were outstanding i am proud. i dont think it should be mandatory for a parent to have go to college etc. the kids take test provided by the state and if the kids arent learning what they should learn then the state should step in. if a parent really cares about the education of there child they will do what has to be done to give them the best. i do think that the parent should have to sit down and speak with soemone so that the parent can show they can read etc. but as far as them having to have an education to do it no i dont think so. some people dont go to school but till the 9th grade and are smarter then those that get a ba, masters etc. i think the parent should have to pass the GED though.
@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
22 Mar 07
Thank you for your comment
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@c2adams2 (351)
• United States
20 Mar 07
In the event that the child's education does not suffer I see nothing wrong with homeschooling. As far as I understand there is a testing procedure for the students who are home schooled as a way to prove their knowledge. I think that, with regulation to make sure the child is learning at pace with their grade level, the parent should be permitted to design their child's education.
@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
21 Mar 07
Thank you for your calm rational answer. It is like a breath of fresh air after some of the other comments. Thank you again
• China
20 Mar 07
no ! it is bad idea. i feel home schooling have not a circumstance for children growing up . maybe in home the children will get more care. but no any partner with them. people must come through trouble and solve it by himself
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@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
21 Mar 07
Thank you for your comment.