Creation or Evolution- which side of the arguement are you on?

Australia
March 22, 2007 4:16am CST
Christians and scientists are constantly arguing in debate threads over which of these is right. Do you think the world was created by a higher being, or do you go with the scientific theory? And more importantly, what are the best points ou can make for your stance on this matter?
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• Thailand
22 Mar 07
There is not really much of a debate. Evolution is pretty much a proven fact and creationism only a bedtime story for small children and small minds.
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@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
22 Mar 07
And as you can see, there are those terribly ignorant with respect to both evolution and creationism
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@Fargale (760)
• Brazil
22 Mar 07
Are you completely unable of participating in a discussion without being unnecessarily rude and confrontative?
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@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
22 Mar 07
Oh yeah! Look who's talking! Oh and I'm sure you didn't notice the comment about creationism only being for small children and small minds.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
22 Mar 07
Both. I don't see how creationism and evolution have to be at odds. I believe that Gods (or higher beings or whatever) had a hand in creating the world. However, I also believe in evolution. Over time species change, and the idea that supreme beings created the world in no way changes this. I don't really see why people argue over this matter. I suppose if you believed in specifics of a creation story which did not include evolution, then it would be a problem for you. But even then, just because something isn't mentioned doesn't mean it didn't happen. For example: If I was talking about someone's life, and I mentioned the day they were born, and then skipped to their adult life, does that mean they had no childhood? Or does it merely mean I didn't tell you that part of the story?
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@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
23 Mar 07
except for the undirected part
@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
23 Mar 07
Species do change with time. We have variations of dogs, birds, etc. Both sides acknowledge them. That's not the debate. The debate is one species evolving into an entirely new species such as amphibians to mammals,Apes to man etc. Evolution claims to be an undirected process. Creationism claims to a directed process. There is no "in between" "scientific" theory
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• Australia
23 Mar 07
i'm sort of with lecanis. i beleive that divinity is the cause of creation, but nothing about those beleifs in any way contradicts the theory of evolution.
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@rsa101 (40987)
• Philippines
26 Mar 07
I have the tendency to believe that evolution is much more logical argument at this point. I do believe that bible states creation is the parallel theory of evolution where during that time is man's interpretation of evolution. I guess it's somewhat the same as language do evolve in some ways we do converse today as compared to the past. So is the way we see things today compared to the past. I guess there is no question that evolution and creation is just a way to express themselves during that times. We do have to adjust the way those early bible scholars describe creation which in our contemporary lives is the way our scientist describes evolution.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
25 Mar 07
Well, both of them are theories, but Creationism has far too many religious undertones for my taste. Until I see convincing evidence against it, I will continue to favor the theory of evolution.
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@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
22 Mar 07
I'm for creation. There's evidence for design all around us. The so-called evidence for evolution is too weak and in dispute amongst evolutionist themselves.
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@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
22 Mar 07
The "we" that he's referring to are the scientists that follow his ideology, not the ones who don't.
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@Fargale (760)
• Brazil
22 Mar 07
No, by "we" I mean any human being who looks at the evidence without his vision being clouded by his religion. Scientists, save those that fit the criteria above, have no doubt that evolution happened. And here's a fun way to demonstrate that with numbers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkmCPyTMW4E
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@Fargale (760)
• Brazil
22 Mar 07
Uh huh. Evolution is a religion. Good luck trying to prove that! But it surely helps understand why you feel your own fundamentalist religious beliefs are so threatened by a scientific theory; in your mind, it's a "competing religion". Oh, and good job using a quote that is 25 years old to try to prove that there is a "current" scientific debate on the existance of evolution. =P Not to mention that you had already copy-pasted that same quote from answersingenesis.org at least 2 or 3 times now. For such a "widespread" debate, you shouldn't be running out of fresh quotes anytime soon, right? LOL Look, as fun as it might be, I think I have already dedicated to your copy-paste tactics more time than you deserve. If anyone is really interested in more in-depth discussions of the subject, I suggest a quick visit to the previous topics on evolution here in mylot. It's not like Leavert/Owens/ or whatever new fake identity he creates has any new arguments anyway.
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@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
22 Mar 07
Well you're going to have a hard time finding a scientist whose ideology/religion i.e evolution, doesn't cloud his or her judgment. "It is therefore of immediate concern to both biologist and lawman that Darwinism is under attack. The theory of life that undermined nineteenth-century religion has virtually become a religion itself and in turn is being threatened by fresh ideas. The attacks are certainly not limited to those of the creationists and religious fundamentalists who deny Darwinism for political and moral reasons. The main thrust of the criticism comes from within science itself. The doubts of Darwinism represent a political revolt from within rather than a siege from without. B. Leith The Decent of Darwin A Handbook of Doubts about Darwinism (1982) p. 11
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
22 Mar 07
Theory a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture. a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory" From the online dictionary Those that purpose evolution will find them selves in the circular theory. Being that They base their time line on the Geological Timelines which are based on the fossils found at each level. They are based on each other. Now science is proving the bible. For example Job 28:25 talks about the atmospheric pressure Job 25:5 deals with the moon not being self-luminescent and the list goes on. So I believe in creation.
• Thailand
22 Mar 07
I find your post a bit confusing. What in the world does atmospheric pressure and the Moon have to do with evolution? If you are using the Bible as your supporting argument then you have none.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
27 Mar 07
I believe that those verses are being taken a tad out of context. In Job 25:5, the verse "If even the moon is not bright, and the stars do not shine in his eyes" (reciting from memory, so I might have fudged the verse a little), was actually a reference to someone elses earlier statement about the depravity of man that was made earlier in the book of Job. I honestly don't think it was a reference to the moon not being self-luminescent. Furthermore Job 28:25 says something about God measuring the force of the winds and measuring out the waters. This verse was more of a testament to God's wisdom, and how you draw a reference to atmospheric pressure from it, I'll never know. We know now that atmospheric pressure is what causes wind - but that is something I doubt they knew back then. More than likely, they were referring to how God made the wind forceful...rather than referring to the force behind the wind.
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• Australia
22 Mar 07
science is....proving the bible, you say? I'm totaly confused! could you maybe go into more detail on how you think it's doing that?
@edelweiss (1929)
• India
22 Mar 07
I am with Evolution. We evolve..! Our needs evolve.. Our expectations, thoughts, abilities, efficiency, every thing around us evolves!
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@Fargale (760)
• Brazil
22 Mar 07
Evolution, not a shadow of a doubt. Creationism is based only on a religious belief, and contradicts the evidence we see in the world (especially Young Earth Creationism).
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26 Mar 07
First, a clarification must be made. Evolution is not in conflict with all theism, only a subset of Christianity in which literal translations of the Bible are in conflict with the theory. Evolution also makes no predictions regarding the genesis of all life or the existence/absence of a higher being who did so. Creationism is a broad assumption formulated in the absence of absolute truth or absolute knowledge, but makes the attempt to provide some semblance of absolute knowledge and truth. It does so through an untestable and unfalsifiable framework based solely on faith. Unless you can prove someone's faith is correct or incorrect, you can not prove or disprove creationism. Scientific theories can be refuted, tested, validated, and upgraded through new or modified theories as new evidence and tools become available. Creationism meets none of these criteria, which the Theory of Evolution meets all of them. Full Article: http://www.helium.com/tm/223187 Draven the Respectful Atheist http://dravenwriter.blogspot.com
@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
28 Mar 07
Is intelligent design falsifiable? Is Darwinism falsifiable? Yes to the first question, no to the second. Intelligent design is eminently falsifiable. Specified complexity in general and irreducible complexity in biology are within the theory of intelligent design the key markers of intelligent agency. If it could be shown that biological systems like bacteria flagellum that are wonderfully complex, elegant, and integrated could have been formed by a gradual Darwinian process (which by definition is non-telic),then intelligent design would be falsified on the general grounds that one doesn't invoke intelligent causes when purely natural causes will do. On the other hand, falsifying Darwinism seems effectively impossible. To do so, one must show that no conceivable Darwinian pathway could have led to a given biological structure. What's more Darwinists are apt to retreat in the murk of historical contingency to shore up their theory. For instance, Allen Orr in his critique of Behe's work shortly after "Darwin's Black Box" appeared remarked, "What have no guarantee that we can reconstruct the history of a biochemical pathway." What he conceded with one hand however, he was quick to retract with the other. He added, but even if we can't, its irreducible complexity cannot count against gradual evolution." The fact is that for complex systems like the bacterial flagellum no biologist has nor is anywhere close to reconstructing its history in Darwinian terms. Is Darwinian theory therefore falsified? Hardly, I have yet to witness one committed Darwinist concede that any feature of nature might even in principle provide countervailing evidence to Darwinism. In place of such a concession, one is always treated to an admission of ignorance. Thus it is not that Darwinism has been falsified or disconfirmed, but that we simply don't know enough about the biological system and its historical context to determine how the Darwinian mechanism might have produced it. William Dembski Ph.D Mathematics, Ph.D Philosoy "Is Intelligent Design Testable ? January 2004, 2001 An here comes Fargale with his Cut and Paste argument paying close attention to stay away from the content.
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@Fargale (760)
• Brazil
28 Mar 07
Nah. It's so fortunate that you finally admitted that Intelligent Design can be falsified. So if the Bacteria Flagellum is not irreducibly complex, the whole idea of Intelligent Design can be thrown out the window, right? Good! I'd already explained this thoroughly I'll take the less time-consuming way and simply paste here a better explanation of how the flagellum can't be called irreducibly complex. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB200_1.html
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
28 Mar 07
You know, I agree with that entire argument. Intelligent Design is a heck of a lot more falsifiable than the theory of evolution. I'm glad we've all reached an agreement.
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@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
31 Mar 07
On behalf of Creationists everywhere I'd like to thank you both for finally recognizing the Intelligent Design is a true science! Talk Origin states that a scientific theory MUST be falsifiable. Evolutionists have always claimed that Intelligent Design isn't science because it can't be falsified.
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@rudy7104 (78)
• Italy
24 Mar 07
For me this debate is not a matter of being Christian or scientist. This is a truth that we need to realized that creation or evolution are two diffirent ideas and diffirent point of view in looking at things. I won't give on what side I am in but rather I would like to explain my personal point of view with regards to this matter. Creation is an existence that comes from nothing to something and is made out of only by a supreme being that we call God. However, on the other hand Evolution is a theory that comes out of something that already exist and a conclusion out of scientific studies and datas of its existence. Therefore, if one says that he is for creation or evolution you are either right or wrong because the question that is posted here is only asking on which side are you according to your point of view. You will only know either you're right or wrong if the questions goes on who came first "creation or evolution" according to the existence of the universe or man or anything that we see. I hope that I did my explaination clear and wouldlead to more clear point of view between creation and evolution.
@xfahctor (14113)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
22 Mar 07
there are those who believe that our evolution was somehow accelerated. I cant give exactnumbers but it took man a few hundred thousand years to go from using rocks as tools to using sharpend rocks on sticks but ony a few 10's of thousands years to go from that to a man on the moon. Ancient documents and drawings repeatedly show things that people of back then could have absolutely no concept of. such as a sumerian gold reliefe that shows not only the sun as the center of the solar system but 10 planets including neptunes odd position in it.
• Philippines
26 Apr 07
I go for creation, evolution got many flaws that's not worth believing for. I think you have to read this post: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussion/1029584.aspx
• Thailand
26 Apr 07
I tried to read the post and it took me to the home page. No help there. I guess you will have to tell me what the flaws in evolution are. Before you do please read this. http://tinyurl.com/232dj5 Now, what are the flaws?
@leavert65 (1018)
• Puerto Rico
27 Apr 07
Of course. The article that you posted is full of old arguments. Certainly, they all predate the Human Genome Project of 2003. Therefore, according to your own special kind of logic, we can ignore most if not all arguments contained in the article. A major flaw for the bogus evolutionary theory is that it can't explain the evolution of DNA. Information can't evolve. I don't believe your article even ATTEMPTS to address this issue.
@tinkutr (382)
• India
31 Mar 07
Not in both