Negating JESUS CHRIST. Why!!!

We don't negate his existence. Atheists and Agnostics deny the fact that he was anyone special, because the only proof you have is a book written by a bunch of random guys. You can't prove that Jesus is anything but a normal guy. Oh, and we don't believe in the devil either. Where there is no good there is no evil. So what we believe is inconsequential. We don't force our religions on you, so stop forcing us to believe in something we don't want to. Maybe it is you who are blinded by the fairy tales that preachers and pastors tell to keep us from killing each other. I don't need religion to be a good person, believe it or not. I have straight-A's, and I do volunteer work on the weekends while you are condemning non-believers to your "hell". http://pandagon.net/2007/02/13/people-who-claim-to-love-jesus-write-me/ Read that. Tell a religious person (when they get in your face about your behavior or beliefs) that you find their religious beliefs to be wrong, silly, or goofy — he will beg his god to rape you. Religious people do just as many bad things as we do. Look at the priests molesting young boys. Look at the people that bomb abortion clinics. They are religious, forcing their beliefs on others. Maybe if you spent a little time outside of your church, you would see these things.

[ignores the "Don't Feed the Trolls" sign in his head as he answers]. Here's a list: 1) Yours isn't the only religious belief in the world. There are Islamics, Buddhists, Taoist Monks, and countless more. They were shown different scriptures than you. They believe with equal fervor and passion that their religion is right, and those who don't believe it have been blinded/fooled. Who is right? Who can prove it? 2) People seek active, legitimate discussion. Folks aren't "negating" your deity, they're just asking for some kind of proof, *any* kind of proof, that it exists. "My holy book says" isn't "proof" -- your holy book was written by humans, translated by humans, and edited by humans. "Inspired by god" is nonsensical and doesn't prove a thing. You can't just say "well I *know* it's true and you can't ever prove me wrong" -- well, okay, you can *say* it, but it makes you look pretty silly. If no proof will ever convince you you're wrong, why would anyone ever bother wasting time with you? If *you* can't provide any proof other than "I can feel it in my *heart*!", why should anyone believe you or even listen to you? The point many are trying to make, which appears lost on you, is that "Jesus Christ" is *not* "our" savior. This fictional character may be *your* personal savior, but you do *not* speak for me, or for anyone else for that matter. No "devil" works its black magics on me. My *brain* is enough to work through the twisted web of hatred and deceit your religion is founded on to understand that it's as nonsensical as the rest. 3) You're noticing backlash against religions in general. You're preaching with this very post -- you're "telling people like it is," not asking any honest questions. Your "question" is bait, clear and simple, and is nothing more than a way to force your beliefs on others. I've seen many of your other posts here, and I *do* think you're hiding behind your religion. You don't answer any honest question with anything except "my bible says this" or "god tells me that." Not everyone appreciates being told by "disciples" like you that their beliefs are wrong, then hearing "because I said so" as the only explanation can offer. Worship your gods. Pray day and night for our souls. That's fine. Stop trying to force us to do it *with* you. Also, quit trying to pass laws to prevent us doing things you find unethical (abortion, stem cell research, etc.) or that force us to do things we don't want to do (i.e. teach our children "creationism"). Your religious beliefs are silly but harmless if you'd just keep them to yourself. The problem is, none of these religious nuts *will* keep it to themselves. That's why we work hard to debunk your myths and point out the flaws in your reasoning.

At least i dont deni HIM,,JESUS CHRIST is the one and the only almighty greatest power of the whole entire universe!!!!!!!!

Yes, Jesus love me for the Bible tells me so. We're living in an upside down world, Zoom, where the non believers say that if I can't see it then won't believe it. But the Believers say I believe it so therefore I see it. I have heard and felt my Lord Jesus. And I see Him in my Christian brothers and sisters.

Maybe because they just don't believe in Jesus Christ. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion especially with regards to their own faith. Yes, sometimes, people can be so discriminating and offensive with their opinions, but as christians, we should learn to respect that no matter how hurtful they can be.

I love freedom of religion. :)

They say that we are hiding behind our religion mainly because they can't think of anything intelligent to say. They think that by saying that they are showing that they are too smart to be fooled into believing something that they don't understand. They are in denial, and it makes them feel better if they can make it sound like Christians are foolish for believing as we do. All through history, unbelievers have been trying to deny the existence and power of God and Jesus, and have claimed that the Christian religion is nothing more than a hoax. Now they believe that man has outgrown the need for religion, that the Bible is no more than a collection of fairy tales. They tell us that we can't prove the existence of God. We don't have to prove anything. All through history, no matter how hard they tried, no matter what research they did, and no matter how much science they used, the could not and can not prove that God doesn't exist. Nor will they, because there is no way to prove the unprovable, and the burden of proof is on them. How a person's goodness is measured is not by grades or deeds alone. It is also by what is in a persons heart. People can pretend to be religious, and still do things that are not Godly. It doesn't mean that the religion or God did those things, because evil deeds have nothing to do with God. The people that did those things were not Godly, they were merely pretenders. The Bible tells us that "the fool has said there is no God" and that "God is not mocked". The Bible also tells of a "Day of Judgment". I believe that all non-believers will reach a point where they not only believe, but will also know that there is a God, but then it will be too late. Casting pearls to swine is a Biblical reference, so any complaints, comments, or concerns about that comparison can be taken up with God, as those were His words. The reference to "turning the other cheek" is a valid one. It must be understood however, that there is a point where it is no longer required. There is a reference to Jesus going into the Temple and finding that moneychangers were using the Temple to conduct their business. He "rose up" in Righteous Anger, overturned their tables and drove them out of the Temple with a whip made from cords, saying that they had turned the Temple into a den of thieves. So yes, I do think there is a side to Jesus that a lot of people don't realize. As far as what a non-believer thinks or says, it is meaningless and of no importance, as are their foolish notions. If the way I believe offends someone else, so what? That's their problem not mine. These people claim they don't want religion shoved in their faces, and yet they come into a conversation like this one and start spewing their unbelief at everyone else. How hypocritical can someone get? If non-believers don't want to hear about religion and God and Jesus and things relating to them, then you shouldn't venture into conversations where these things are discussed. No one here is shoving religion in your face, instead you shoved your face into religion. If you don't believe, why do you even care if others do? What business is that of yours? The only thing I can think of is that you are seeking validation for your unbelief by trying to convince others. A lot of people may not believe in God, Jesus, or Satan, but they do believe in you.

I'm slightly disappointed to see the hostility in this thread. You did ask a perfectly reasonable question, however I'm more suprised at you. Acting defensive when folks were simply pointing things out. They really weren't trying to change you, how you write, what you believe, mostly just pointing out things. I did previously mention in another post of yours I replied to, that you are quite bold in the way you express yourself..and this is admirable. But there is a fine line between expressing yourself and inadvertantly sounding as if you're being..*tries to find the right word* Well I think you see my point..I hope? Please don't get me wrong. I don't believe your religion or opinions, are invalid. You're perfectly entitled to them. I'd also like to note that "Pearls before swine" was mostly about throwing your ideas before those who're unworthy, or words to fools who won't understand. But as your own Bible tells you, it is not for you to judge these things of others..to only notice if one is 'foolish'. One is not foolish to differ in opinion or viewpoint from you, hun. A fool is someone who is blind to logic..wouldn't recognize it if it hit him smack in the face. I don't tell people Jesus didn't exist. I believe he did. But I don't believe in him as God or the supreme power. Just like I don't put alot of stock in the Bible..it's been tampered with, and by all likelyhood it's probably far from the original version. Many things get lost in translation..anf the Bible is probably the foremost book to have the most reasons over history to get tampered with. But this is my opinion. It doesn't mean I never read the Bible -- I have. I've studied many religions, many holy books. I've strove my best to understand them to the best of my ability..and you know what I've found? That I tend to be able to outargue many so called members of certain religions which have been using their holy books and religions to attack or try to invalidate others' beliefs. Even if they think they know the books or religions well..they twist things, so they miss things..and I'm noy smarter than them necessarily, I just..pay attention -- which you can hardly call that as something brilliant to do. I have not seen many people claiming Jesus doesn't exist. Many people have stated their opinion that they don't believe in God on here, sure..but that's their opinion. The world is very big. There are many, many faiths..so mylot sees quite alot of different folks on here. You're probably luckier than I am though, I find more religious fanatics than the calm logicals -- athiests. Many christians are hiding behind their 'religion' when they try to win an argument which is very logical with throwin' in "God's can do anything he wants", which may very well be true but sounds highly childish to not follow the logic. Logic isn't harder than religion. Just like science isn't divorced from faith like sooo many people'd like to believe. One more thing, though I don't truly believe in the devil (at least not in the orthadox way), I believe he has better things to do with his time than to put people in deniel about things, regardless if they're true or not. Remember, Lucifer was prideful. He would not do anything he'd think was below him. Like demons, they usually need a reason to do things. People do well enough of a job messing things up without their help. Plenty of the fanatics and zealots do good enough job furthering people from any said faith..devils and demons don't need to do it. There is no denying that evil exists. It can't exist without good after all..the entire universe is about balance. 'Truth' is real, but true truth (ha) is one of the most mutable things in the world. A constantly changing, evolving thing. That isn't limited to one system, one point of view, one people. Lovely post.

i love Jesus too. But i wonder,when and how Christian accept him as god eventhough he NEVER say that he is GOD and He NEVER ASK anyone to worship him. THere is none in the BIBLE. Can anyone give me the verse and chapter that JESUS say, I'M GOD. Worship ME.

You have to keep in mind that your worldview is not the only one, nor the norm. Your religion and worldview is but one among many. When you talk about what you believe as if it was actual, undeniable fact and you say that those who don't have the same belief as you are in denial, you do sound very offensive and close-minded. And it does sound like you are imposing your belief on everyone else, whether that is your intention or not.

I just wanted to say 1 more thing I think that god makes a difference between good and bad. Although all are created equal he cannot accept some are good and some are bad and gives punishment to those he feels are bad. The devil doesn't make the difference because everyone is bad so he doesn't judge the bad and separate them from the good. The truth is spiritual truth and to find the real truth you have to keep an open mind

If you're asking why so many people don't believe that Jesus is the Lord or Savior, I would say that's a fairly simple question to answer. Because they don't believe that Jesus is their Lord and/or Savior. It really is just that simple. The beautiful part about being individuals is that not all of us have to believe the same thing. We all get to choose what we believe. We all get to choose what we don't believe. I am not in "denial", I simply do not believe what you believe.

Wait a second here, I never blinded anyone. Why would I waste my time with silly people who post on this website. I consider that a slander. Also, this is my suggestion to you, ZoOmZoOm, take a second to check your spelling before you post, OK. Thanks Your Friend, Lucifer AKA Lightbringer