Am I protecting my sons?

@KissThis (3003)
United States
May 31, 2007 12:14pm CST
I adopted my two sons a couple of years ago. I am happy to be their mother. What most people don't know is that these boys are my great nephews. My niece has had a problem with drugs and alcohol since she was a teenager. One night she got drunk and decided to drive home with the older of the two boys in the car. He was about 11 months old at the time she was pregnant with the younger of the two. Anyway she wouldn't do what that judge required her to do to maintain the oldest one in her home so when he was 13 months old he was placed with me as a foster child. He would be returned to her when she completed drug treatment. About three months later she still hadn't even completed one week of treatment and she gave birth to the younger boy. He had some medical problems but the state said that she could take him to an in-patient treatment center so that they could bond. A week later she got herself kicked out and the baby placed in foster care. Two years later she still hadn't completed any of the treatments or parenting classes that the state asked her to so they asked the court to sever her parental righs to allow the boys to be adopted. Now during this whold time I am jumping through each hoop that they ask me to like a train dog. I am going to parenting classes, changed jobs so that my hours ft around their schedule. I made sure that the state would have no reasons to complain about anything I did. I ended up adopting both boys. My sons know that they are adopted and who their birth mother is. I have family members who are mad at me because I have refused to allow my niece to see the boys. Up until this past Christmas she has continued to drink and do drugs. They one time I did allow her to see the boys she made a point to encaourage the boys not to follow the rules. Which is very bad for the one because he has ADHD. My niece has asked me if we can start a new friendship between us. She wants us to be best friends. I don't feel comfortable doing that. I have been told that I am being childish and unfair in this situation. That the boys deserve to get to know thier birth mother. If you were in my situation would you allow her to see the boys? Or am I right to just leave things the way that they have been the last few years with us being seperate?
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@sunshine4 (8703)
• United States
31 May 07
I think that you are doing the right thing keeping these boys away from the birth mother. When they are old enough to decide if they want to associate with her or get to know her better this is when it will happen. I wouldn't give into others pressures if I were you. You are thinking about the well being of your children as you should be.
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@KissThis (3003)
• United States
1 Jun 07
I am trying to think of the well being. I am wondering if I am making some kind of mistake because of not allowing her to spend time with the boys now. I am wondering if the boys might resent me when they get older.
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@sunshine4 (8703)
• United States
1 Jun 07
I think that when your boys get older, they will understand that you were trying to protect them. Stick to your gut feeling. Right now the boys don't know what is best for them so they might want to see her. In the long run, she could do them more harm than good if she gets involved in their lives now.
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@tamikotan (483)
• Philippines
1 Jun 07
First of all, I want to commend you for wanting to provie a good life for the boys. Not all would have done what you did. I really think that its nice that you adopted your great nephews. I feel sad for their mother. She should straighten her life once and for all for the sake of her kids. In time, they will grow up and is that how she wants them to think of her? It is not wrong that you don't want your adopted sons to see their birth mother specially if she hasn't changed her ways. It could psychologically affect them. In time the boys will be able to decide for themselves. Continue to be the good mother that you are. Do not worry about what your other relatives are thinking of.
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@KissThis (3003)
• United States
1 Jun 07
Thank you so much for sharing your opinion. It helps to see what other people think of the situation. Sometimes a person can't see all sides so its helpful to know what others are thinking.
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@Rozie37 (15499)
• Turkmenistan
1 Jun 07
Your first priority is those boys. You were allowed to adopt them because you conviced the courts that you were capable of doing what is in their own best interest. If she has not taken any of the classes or treatments that she was told to, then she has not proven herself to be serious about this situation. You said that she drove drunk with the oldest in her car and the youngest in her stomach, how do you know that she will not put their lives in danger again. If the children have a problem with this when they get older, you explain that you did what was best for them. Don't make any apologies to anyone and stand your ground. When they accuse you of being chidish or whatever, you simply say that you are doing what is best for the children and walk away. There is no need to argue when you are right. These boys are counting on you.
@KissThis (3003)
• United States
1 Jun 07
That is some wonderful advice Rozie. Thank you for responding.
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• United States
1 Jun 07
I think that you are doing the right thing to protect these children, you are keeping them from having certain emotional and mental damage. If they want to see they're mother its a different story, however its her wanting to see them. I think that every parent has a right to see they're children, but having the privelege is a different story. You protect them in the right way, I look up to you, you are a wonderful mother.
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@azimsay (543)
• India
1 Jun 07
we have one son or two .My son ten years old but he is protect me .He is helping me .So many things he is doing for me.He is market and bring vegetable and some thing which is necessary in my house. He is comming with me when Iam not feeling well.
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• Philippines
1 Jun 07
How old are your boys now? In my opinion it is only fair to give her the chance to see her kids. And the children have the right to know their biological mother. I think it's alright to allow them to see their mother but they should be aware of the real situation. Also maybe you could bridge a good relationship between them. Perhaps seeing his boys on a regular basis will help her change. But also it is your right to give rules. You are actually the legal mother so you can impose something like "you can only see them if you promise that...." i hope i'd given you some pointers.
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@KissThis (3003)
• United States
1 Jun 07
The boys are now ages 5 and 7. I think that they are still too young to be told the reason why their no longer with their biological mother. I have only told the children that she was sick and the judge wanted them to have a good home where they can be safe. I will not be the one who tells the children why they no longer live with their biological parents. When they are older I will let them read the court transcripts so that they can make up their own minds. I will take your advice under advisement but I am not sure that it is the right way to handle the situation.
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@pinklilly (3443)
• Australia
26 Feb 08
This is an old discussion but I felt I needed to say that I'm with you... You are their mother you have Loved and cared for them and have gone out of your way to protect them... You are a good Person..... untill your neice grows up and shows some Integrity, I would keep her at arms length away........
@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
31 May 07
She lost her parental rights, correct? You are now their legal gardian/mother and you have every right to refuse her from seeing those boys. She isn't their mother, you are. That is how I see it anyway. She had plenty of chances to fix her life up, she chose not to. Don't worry what others say, you are the mother and you know what is best. In some cases keeping them apart might work out better, it's healthier for the kids. She shouldn't be allowed to come and go as she pleases, that could confuse the kids. If you want her to have any part in the boys life, maybe set some guidlines with her and make it to where she just can't come over when she wants. She has to call a week before time or something. But that is only if you really want her in the picture, if not, then that is your choice and only yours. How old are the boys now? Have you asked them if they want to see their biological mom or are they still to young? I would also never leave her alone with the boys and monitor everything, that is if you do give her a chance to be in their life, but she also has to understand that you are their mother now.
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@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
1 Jun 07
If you don't trust her, then that is understandable. Go with your gut feeling, always.
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@KissThis (3003)
• United States
1 Jun 07
The boys are now ages 5 and 7. Last month we went to a family reunion I knew she was going to be there also so I explained to the boys that they would get to meet her. All the boys said was " OK mom" that's it they weren't curious or excited. Neither boy wanted anything to do with her until she started offering them gifts and ignoring all of the rules. Then she was their best friend. Later that night the oldest even told us that he only liked her because of the gifts. I gave him the usual lecture about not using people for what they can give you. I know that I don't feel comfortable about leaving her alone with the boys. I am just not sure how well I trust her.
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@armywifey (883)
• United States
22 Aug 07
You are these boys mother now, so it is your decision to let her be in their life or not. I think you are doing the right thing because the boys don't need that kind of influence in their lives. Children need stability and having someone who they love come in and out of their lives could harm them in the long run. Stand your ground and keep those boys safe.
• Canada
2 Jun 07
If I were in your shoes I would do exactly what you are doing . You have to think of the two boys and not of what everyone else thinks . It doesn't sound like any of them are thinking of the effect this will have on the boys if you start a friendship with your niece . You have taken these boys in and given them a home when no one else did and you are there mother . You are the one that was there for them when they got up in the middle of the night , were sick , when they fell down , or when they painted a picture . You are the one who has did all the caring for them and paid for anything they needed and was there to give them all the love they deserved . You are the one who held them when they needed comfort and laughed with them when they did something cute . So you are there mother in every sence of the word . Just because you didn't deliver them doesn't meant that you are not there mother . A mother is the person who is there to care for you , to share in your happiness and be there when you need someone , to be the person who would do anything for you and to love you the whole time . You are doing the right thing for you and the boys and don't let anyone tell you that you are wrong . They are not the one's who were there to help the boys when the boys needed someone and they are not the one's that will always be there . Your niece will only cause trouble and neither you nor the boys need that . Take Care
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@KissThis (3003)
• United States
5 Jun 07
I appreciate everything that you have typed to me. It makes me feel good to know that there are other people who feel the same way as I do. Thank you so much.
• United States
1 Jun 07
I would leave things just the way they are. She has proved that she has no interest in forming a bond with her boys. She has not even tried to accomplish what she was told she needed to accomplish. Before I would allow her to get close to me which it appears to me she is wanting because she wants to be around the boys she would have to prove to me she is trust worthy and up to this point she has proved she isn't. She has encouraged the boys to not follow the rules. What kind of a mom would do that. Follow your heart. You have the best interest of your boys. So if I read your discussion right as far as their ages they aren't very old at this point. They don't need a influence that will confuse them.
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@KissThis (3003)
• United States
1 Jun 07
Thank you so much for your opinion. I have to agree with what you are saying. I don't truly believe she wants a friendship with me I think it is a way for her to get to see the boys just like you said.
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@tinamwhite (3252)
• United States
1 Jun 07
Kiss, my friend....I do not want to appear cruel or heartless and you know me, that is not my way... BUT, she was given every opportunity to show that these children were important to her...and she CHOSE not to do any of it....just because NOW it is convenient for her to come into your home and disrupt these children's lives....no, I do not think that she has earned the right to do this to you....or the children..."The one time I did allow her to see the boys she made a point to encaourage the boys not to follow the rules. Which is very bad for the one because he has ADHD." She should be ashamed of herself...for even asking....You have provided these boys with a stable, happy home life...something she was not even willing to try to do... I think that the family members who are giving you a hard time..need to get over it...where were they when all of this was going on....they were not "jumping through each hoop that they ask me to like a trained dog. I am going to parenting classes, changed jobs so that my hours fit around their schedule. I made sure that the state would have no reasons to complain about anything I did. I ended up adopting both boys." She by law has no right to these children!! By law of nature even less, in my opinion...you have told them that they are adopted...you have told them who their biological birth doner is....when they are old enough...if she is still clean...then I MIGHT allow them to develop a relationship...if I saw no adverse reaction from the addition of her in their lives...but these children are still young...I think she can only do more harm at this point... She has already shown her appreciation for all that you have done for HER family..."The one time I did allow her to see the boys she made a point to encourage the boys not to follow the rules. Which is very bad for the one because he has ADHD." Ultimately this is a decision that you will have to make...but I, for one, feel that it is your responsibility to protect these boys....a job which God blessed her with and she snubbed her nose at.... I realize that someone will be unhappy with you no matter whbat you decide to do...which is not fair....but that is just the way some people will be...you can not change it...you have earned the right to be these innocent boy's mother and I would not let anyone tell me how to raise my children... If you feel that you can begin a "friendship" with your neice and not have the children around for a while...I could understand....but I would not feel obligated...I just would not allow her or anyone else in the family to pressure you..... However, I bet that she will not want to do this...in that manner....i get the feeling that she is trying to undermine your position with these boys....and she has no right to do that!!! Not now....Not ever!!!! I will pray for you.....and for the boys....and your neice.. I hope that I did not offend you, Kiss, my friend...I am concerned for you....and I truly wish you the very best in trying to deal with this situation...I also want you to feel free to PM me if you need to talk....I will be here for you! Tina
@KissThis (3003)
• United States
1 Jun 07
Tina, Everything you said is exactly how I feel about all of this. With so many people telling me I should allow her to see the boys I started to wonder if I was being petty and immature as they were saying. I started to doubt myself. I began to wonder if the boys might resent me later for not allowing her to see them now. I want to thank you because now I don't feel like I am being immature. I am only trying to do what I feel is best for these boys. Thank you so much. Kiss
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@KissThis (3003)
• United States
1 Jun 07
Your husband sounds like my fiancee. Like you I am the one who questions if I am doing the right thing. My fiancee has said from the start that she had her chance and she wouldn't make the sacrifices that she need to so that the boys could remain with her. I think that I will do as you did when the boys are a little older. I will try to set up a month visit or something so that they can form a relationship if she is able to remain clean. I appreciate you sharing your experince with me because it is very helpful to see what someone else has done before. I truly think that you are an amazing mother.
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• United States
2 Jun 07
Thank you so much for your kind words....I know that you will make the best choice that you can for the boy's best interest....from one great Mom to another!!!
• United States
5 Jun 07
I honestly do think you are doing the right thing. You are now their mother and you are there to protect them and guide them into the right direction. I might have done the same thing on not letting them see her. She is just mad because she don't want to face the truth and maybe one day they will realize what is really going on and why you are doing what you are doing. As far as rebuilding a relationship with her I would do it slowly and without the boys around her just you and her maybe going to lunch, dinner dates, movies, things like that and then when you feel comfortable for the boys to be around her make sure you are there like dinner at your house, or at a public place like a restraunt, or activities the boys maybe involved in. My parents used to do a foster care and I know what it is like with some of the parents so just try to make it work with your comfort level and the boys as well.
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@KissThis (3003)
• United States
5 Jun 07
Those are some wonderful suggestions. Thank you for taking the time to share them with me. One day when I am ready I will be using a couple of them. Thank you.
@4cuteboys (4099)
• United States
31 May 07
I think you have it right. She is obviously not mature or even trying to be if she is telling them not to follow the rules you have set up for them and for their well being and safety. I wouldn't let her see the boys if I were in your situation. They need stability and it doesn't seem like she's going to be providing any, so why put them thru that? Your doing a great job, kudos for you.
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@KissThis (3003)
• United States
1 Jun 07
Thanks 4cuteboys, I appreciate the compliment. I just wish there was some way that I could make her understand why its so important to have the boys follow the rules. I know she wants the boys to like her and everything. I can't blame her for that.
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@armywifey (883)
• United States
22 Aug 07
You are these boys mother now, so it is your decision to let her be in their life or not. I think you are doing the right thing because the boys don't need that kind of influence in their lives. Children need stability and having someone who they love come in and out of their lives could harm them in the long run. Stand your ground and keep those boys safe.
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
22 Aug 07
I think the best thing in the world for you to do is to leave things the way they are. I know she may want to see the boys and they may even be curious about her but she does not sound like a stable, healthy person to me. Perhaps when the boys are older they can build a relationship with her. Alot of times ppl who lose their children think if a family member gets them they can still get around the courts and get to see them. I had a friend that had a little girl in our foster home. She begged me to adopt the little girl b/c she knew they were going to take away her right b/c she refused to do anything they asked her to do. I wondered why she wanted me to adopt her so badly and she finally told me b/c that way she could come and see her whenever she wanted, take her on trips and such...basically act like nothing had happened. We didn't adopt her and although it broke my heart to not have her I'm glad we didn't. I'll say a prayer for you and your boys...good luck! AT PEACE WITHIN