Whoopi Goldberg Says Dogfighting Is OK

@Katlady2 (9920)
United States
September 5, 2007 1:02pm CST
I could not believe my eyes when I read the article in my local newspaper! This woman that I have had immense respect for for many many years, has just lost some of that respect. While I understand her reasons for trying to explain why Michael Vick did what he did, I don't think it's right. Here is the link to the article: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/T/TV_GOLDBERG_VICK?SITE=CAMAR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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• United States
5 Sep 07
Don't believe everything you read. That's not what I heard her say. I was watching the clip on that and she didn't sound like she condoned what he did. She just explained that where he comes from it is an acceptable form of entertainment and, in many ways, she is right. Having come from the south, there are a lot of things that are done and somewhat accepted down there that aren't right. Don't judge Whoopi because an idiot newspaper person didn't portray what she said correctly. Keep in mind that the newspaper person's job is to get ratings or sell papers not report the truth. It used to be a somewhat honorable profession but now they don't care what they say as long as they can sell papers or make ratings go up.
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@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
5 Sep 07
That's why I said that I can understand her reasoning for saying the things she said. But I can't imagine anyone, no matter where they are from, condoning or even being "used to" animals being treated so cruelly. However, I deeply respect what you say and your opinions my dear friend, so I will try to keep in mind that she was just explaining how some things are the norm in the south (as well as other places in the world too). Thank you so much for your input hon.
• United States
5 Sep 07
I realize it's hard to understand how people can consider this behavior acceptable but keep in mind that this is a part of the country where it used to be acceptable to own other people and beat them on a regular basis. Unfortunately, there are still a lot of "Confederate" minded people in the south. Having lived there for the first 25 years of my life, I was always appalled at the people who still defended the south in the Civil War and still hate black people simply because of their skin color and see them as sub-human. None of it is right but it is a reality.
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• Atlantic City, New Jersey
5 Sep 07
I can understand that it is hard for some to believe that this type of behavior is condoned in some areas however- if you research the history of this particular breed, no matter where you read, you will find that this dog has been a gamblers tool for centuries and was breed for this purpose. Now as you can see by my avatar- I own a beautiful American Pit Bull terrier that is MY BABY- I would never think of putting her in harms way! But the facts remain and I have included a link here, if you check out the origin section- it explains some of the history behind the Pit Bull:) http://www.dogbreadinfo.com/americanpitbull.htm I think what Vick did was dispicable and personally would never involve myself in such behavior- but in some parts of the country- much like puerto rico and cockfighting- it is more common than you think:(
@alamode (3073)
• United States
5 Sep 07
I have seen many things that were horrendous... but Whoopi is right. As much as I hate the thought, the pets that we have are considered pests, food, sport... any number of awful things. There are people who think its strange that I have animals in the house.. imagine how they'd react to the fact that they sleep with us!! There will always be ignorance and cruelty... each of us should try to 'educate' it into oblivion as often as we can!
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@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
5 Sep 07
Kudos to you hon! I agree wholeheartedly! Imagine the people that view cats as pests or food coming into my house or yard and seeing 12 of them....and most of them on my bed! The shock on their faces alone would be priceless! Thanks so much hon.
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@alamode (3073)
• United States
5 Sep 07
And to you! I just noticed a big 3000 next to your name!! You're my idol!
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@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
6 Sep 07
Awwww....thanks hon.
• United States
5 Sep 07
I just read the article you speak of, and I dont think she is defending him. She is giving reasons for why he may have did what he did, she isnt saying she condones it or in any way thinks he should go unpunished. I certainly dont think she said it was ok. There are always two sides to a story and she is stating the other side. Thats what these talk shows do. I do think she was making the point that dog fighting is a huge problem, esp here in the south where it is looked on as a sport, and not at all anything wrong with it. Alot of southerners support vick because they were brought up to think dog fighting is ok, and therefore see nothing wrong with what he did, illegal or not. All things that need change have to start somewhere, the illegal dog fighting that goes on in this country has started with vick. He is being made a example of, as he should be, and all you can hope for is change.
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@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
5 Sep 07
Thank you so much for your insightful opinion hon. I understand completely what you are saying, and that's why I said that I could see Whoopi's reasons for saying what she did. It just bothered me a lot, because for the life of me, I can't understand how anyone can see that kind of animal cruelty as being "normal", no matter whether they were brought up with it in their lives or not. Thank you so much for showing me the other side of the story hon. I really appreciate it. I just hope that all of the articles and news reports that are tied in to things like this really does open up people's eyes and causes changes to come about.
• United States
5 Sep 07
So do I
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@rosie_123 (6118)
5 Sep 07
Well Whoopi Goldberg isn't such a big star over here in Europe as she is in the States, but most of us have heard of her. Like you, I am shocked to read this article, and have totally no respect for her at all. I don't care about Michael Vick's reasons - what he did was wrong, wrong, WRONG - no excuses, in my opinion. If he was a top footballer over here in the UK, he would most certainly never play again in this country because we Brits would never forgive him - and I hope the same thing happens in the States. And by standing up for him, she is making herself almost as bad as he is in my opinion. The total lack of sensitivity and decency in so-called educated people from a civilised country, never ceases to amaze me. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
5 Sep 07
Thank you hon. I don't believe that anything Michael Vick did was right at all either. And even though she was apparently explaining that some things like that are normal happenings where she comes from, I just couldn't believe that Whoopi justified it, no matter how minimal a justification it was. I'm still in shock.
• United States
5 Sep 07
Please understand that explaining the reality of something isn't justifying it. A lot of things happen in various parts of the world that seem normal to the people who live there but are appalling to someone else. Whoopi wasn't justifying what the man did as being okay. She was simply explaining that this is how it is in that particular part of the country. Of course, what they were doing was wrong but if you are brought up thinking it is alright, you don't know any better. It's like the Mormon community that believes polygamy is alright. To most of us, this would be absurd to have one man and several women living as his wives but when you've been brought up to think this is a normal way to live. Other people have been brought up thinking that it's okay for a man to abuse his wife or children, even though we all know it's not. Whoopi was just trying to explain things, not condone what he did.
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@babykay (2133)
• Ireland
20 Sep 07
if Whoopi Goldberg says that dogfighting is ok, on the basis that its common where M vick is from, then she is as bad as him. She is also backward if this is true. I will never again watch another of her movies. She is sooo ugly anyway...I reckon any of the pitbulls she thinks its ok to watch fight would beat her in a beauty competition, but thats beside the point..
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@Feona1962 (7527)
• United States
9 Sep 07
Just because he comes from a state that sees dog fighting as okay doesn't mean it is okay. He made a choice to do this. I do understand what she is saying but he made the wrong choice..
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@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
11 Sep 07
Yep, he sure did. He's a grown man for crying out loud! He KNEW better! Grrrrr!
@artemis432 (7474)
• Abernathy, Texas
6 Sep 07
I was reading the first response and this does seem to be the case often, that the press changes around or twists what stars say to make it contreversial (spelling!). The do creative editing or just plain lie. I'm wondering how many flesh eaters will be against this. I'm very against it - very very - but feel a bit hyprocritical since I eat the flesh and skin of animals.
@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
6 Sep 07
That's definitely a very profound thought to ponder! Thanks so much for putting a bit of a different perspective on this.
• United States
6 Sep 07
if that is what you read then your eyes were indeed not to be trusted I am a faithfull watcher of the view and she said no such thing what she did say is while it was a very bad thing to do that his upbringing and the society in wich he was raised may help explain why ""HE"" did not feel it was wrong!dont put the woman down on her first day i feel that the press just has it in for the view and will print anything to make them look bad i watched it and she never did anything but condem him for his actions
@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
6 Sep 07
Thank you for responding hon. Like I've said to others in this discussion, I just can't stomach such a matter of fact explanation of why dog fighting exists in the South (or anywhere else for that matter), or of the abuse that goes along with it. But I understand where you are coming from, and I appreciate your voicing it here.
@TerryZ (22083)
• United States
6 Sep 07
I have always loved Whoopi Goldberg and I wouldnt believe what you read so much. Whoopi is very matter of fact and maybe thats why I like her so much. I like honesty in people. I dont put Whoopi in the catagory as Michael Vick. He is the villian here not Whoopi!
@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
6 Sep 07
Thanks hon. I realize that she's not the villain in this, but I just had a hard time stomaching the explanation of how this kind of animal abuse is such a normal occurrence in the South. She is a very straightforward person, I'll give her that. But to be so matter of fact about animal abuse, even in an explanation, gets to me. Thanks so much hon.
@MsTickle (24962)
• Australia
6 Sep 07
To me, she was doing just that, explaining where he was coming from, it doesn't necessarily mean that she is for dog fighting or condones what Vick did. I guess it's similar to people who work in abattoirs, that's their job but it's a sickening thought for some. I'm not saying that dog fighting is okay either, I detest the very thought. I also think boxing is a brutal sport.
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@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
6 Sep 07
It's so true. Yes, I'm one of the ones that didn't stomach even the explanation very well (obviously). But I understand why she was explaining it. I'm not a fan of fighting myself. I can't even try to watch boxing, because it literally makes me sick to my stomach. Thanks hon.
@lilaclady (28240)
• Australia
6 Sep 07
Well that is very disappointing to read, high profile people should be very careful of what they say, well she has lost my respect too, I always loved her movies but I am well into animal rights, I will never go to one of her movies again...I think she may have lost a lot of support by that statement....
@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
6 Sep 07
I think you are right hon. I think her fan base just dwindled by a LOT! Thanks hon.
@sandwedge (1341)
• Malaysia
6 Sep 07
i think any kind of animal fighting is wrong. that includes boxing and wrestling (even though its fake or not) and that fact that it includes humans.
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@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
6 Sep 07
I agree 100%! Thanks so much hon.
@kgwat70 (13396)
• United States
6 Sep 07
I was never a big fan of hers to begin with and have now lost all respect for her as a person. Anybody who tries to defend or stick for Vick is wrong. What he did is horrible and nobody should be defending him. He had the opportunity to stop what he was doing as his parents tried to stop him from doing the dogfighting but he kept on going. He did not even listen to his own parents. How horrible is that? She does like to start controversy so maybe that is what she was trying to do but I do not like it or her.
@sunshinecup (7881)
6 Sep 07
I do not mind anyone trying to explain things, honestly I understand what her point was and there maybe a reason behind his actions. BUT my biggest problem is she claims this is normal for those from the Deep South. Ummm...Virginia is NOT the Deep South nor is it backwoods cut off from society. I mean this man knew how to find his way into the National Football League from there, but he didn't know torturing dogs was wrong? Man if I was from Virginia I would be ticked off right now as to the way she just described this state as basically a state filled with ignorant dog fighting hillbillies that just need to be over looked cause they can’t help themselves. I am more offended by her stretch and play on reality than anything else.
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@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
6 Sep 07
My mom was born and raised in Virginia, and if she were here today, I know she'd be beyond offended over the description of her home state. She would probably also be stomping all over Mr. Vick and Whoopi too. Gotta love that Virginian pride and stubbornness! LOL Thanks hon.
@brendakaya (2335)
• United States
6 Sep 07
That's boloney. Not everybody from the south agrees with dog fighting. Just because there are a few scum that do. The majority are decent people that are against it. And why, just because some of those scum think it's ok, should we excuse them? I agree, she's lost some of ny respect too. Anyone that thinks that horrible sport is ok, under any circumstances, is lower in my eyes.
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@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
6 Sep 07
Same here hon. Thanks so much.
@whtnyg (34)
• United States
5 Sep 07
i watch the view everyday and she didnt say what the papers are saying thier taking part of it she reaponded today about it on the view.
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@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
6 Sep 07
Thanks for responding hon. I'm just going to have to start watching it more often I guess.
@pyewacket (44037)
• United States
5 Sep 07
I have always had a tremendous amount of respect and love for Whoopi Goldberg, and of her outspoken and candid viewpoints. I don't think it was so much a case of her sanctioning dog fighting in general, but made her point that dog fighting is much more acceptable and a commonplace thing down south, just as something like bullfighting is accepted in Latin American countries...neither that I support, as I view both as animal cruelty. I happen to know that Whoopi is a one-hundred die hard animal activist and pro animal rights person--I think a lot of what she may have said was taken out of content and people are making a lot of wrong conclusions about her now...Just remember, she has always been famous for speaking her mind about things
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@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
5 Sep 07
I definitely know how vocal she can be about her opinions on things. I didn't realize that she was an animal activist or a pro animal rights person. Thank you for telling me that. It changes my perspective of her and what she said a bit. And I see the point that she was explaining how it's normal activity in the south. It just bugged me a lot when I read it. Thanks hon.
@3lilangels (4639)
• United States
5 Sep 07
i cant believe someone that we admired for years would say stuff like that and to try to defend him,but you know what nothing suprises me any more with all the holly wood stars,sometimes they just do it for attention,i try not to believe half the stuff they say because you dont know what half is true and what half is false.but i was very suprised by her.but i guess everyone is entitled to their opinion even though us animals lovers dont agree,but thats why we just all stick together and believe what we feel in our hearts.take care hon.pattie
@Katlady2 (9920)
• United States
5 Sep 07
That's true...everyone IS entitled to their opinions. But this one pretty much blew me away! Maybe since Whoopi has so many millions of fans, she can open people's eyes to the "normality" of things like dog fighting and other cruelties to animals, and maybe she can help to change those types of things. Thanks so much hon.