Do Bi-Polar Disorder & Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome Run Hand-In-Hand?

Anderson, Indiana
November 26, 2007 6:04pm CST
I have a friend who has mood swings as if he had bi-polar disorder, and more than one mutual friend has suspected that he has this. He has also been through some experiences that might result in his having post-traumatic stress syndrome, so I've generally suspected this to be true instead. At one time, I suspected that he might be bi-polar, but I looked up the symptoms, and--beyond his mood swings--he doesn't seem to have any. So, it's back to suspecting post-traumatic stress syndrome (a.k.a. post-traumatic stress disorder) again. Yet, today, I read some discussions here about bi-polar disorder, and they sound a lot like what my friend acts like when he's in one of his moods. In one of those discussions... http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1208434.aspx the woman talks about having been diagnosed bi-polar many years ago but, more recently, also being diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder. It makes me wonder if those two conditions don't go hand-in-hand--and it even makes me wonder if there's actually such a disease as bi-polar disorder or it it's simply misdiagnosed post-traumatic stress syndrome. One reason that I say this is that another friend (a Vietnam veteran) had been diagnosed many years ago with schizophrenia. Several years later, they told him that he didn't have schizophrenia but, instead, post-traumatic stress syndrome. Here's something to think about: A diagnosis of bi-polar disorder or schizophrenia calls for getting put on meds, while post-traumatic stress syndrome can be treated using psychotherapy (though is sometimes also treated with meds). I've read a book by this man who is of the school that most--if not all--meds for psychological disorders aren't the best options. Instead, talk therapy is the way to go. But I also know of people who would be in bad shape without their meds--but my question there is which came first? Did they have a condition that had required meds from the get-go? or Had they been put on a kind of pill path where all that would help them now would be meds, but that there had once been a time when they could have been cured with psychotherapy instead? I'm anxious to hear discussion of all of these issues...
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• United States
27 Nov 07
I am bipolar and have PTS disorder also, I don't think they run hand and hand but you can certainly have both of them together. With bipolar disorder you have many mood swings! One minute you are happy the next minute you are sad and crying. You can have hiper bipolar where you have more up swings then down swings. This is what I have. When I'm in a manic episode, I do crazy things, like packing my clothes and driving off with no where to go. Or elabrate spending, when you don't have the money to spend. I've boughten cloths that don't fit but I know that they will fit me soon. Humm.... I've made rash disissions, without thinking about the consequences of my actions. Bipolar is very conplicated, it can put you through a lot of bad times, if you don't take ypour meds to control your behavior. PTS disorder, makes you down and tends to make you think negative. All the horrible things that happened to you, floods your memories and you fear different things. I tend to put walls up, because I feel if I don't get close to anyone, I won't get hurt again. I shut people out of my life as I know they think I'm crazy, they don't believe me and when I was a child, no one believed the things I had to say. I fear gettting made fun of or called crazy or getting shunned, things like that. I have anxiety on top of all this with some paranoia also, but if I stay on my medication, all these things tend to lesson. I'd be in serious trouble if I didn't have medication to take to keep me in balance. Some people do not believe they have bipolar or PTS and will refuse to even talk about it. It's when something really bad happens that they start believing maybe they are sick. Bipolar is a disease, there is no cure, only control by taking your medication right. plus I have to get medication ajustments, to keep on top of my disease and stay balanced. Bipolar and PTS can do a lot of bad things to your thinking! I wish you the best of luck on finding out more information, to maybe understand your friend better, Just don't give up on him thats the biggest challenge. God be with you and help you! hugs and prayers!
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• Anderson, Indiana
27 Nov 07
Thanks for this very informative response--and all I can say is that, for all you have to deal with, you really do well! You sound, in several ways, like the friend to whom I'm referring, because he puts up these kinds of walls at times and shuts me out--often, when I'm not even expecting it. I mean that we can have a telephone conversation, and he's in an upbeat mood. Then (as with the latest episode), he will write me an e-mail and tell me that he's removing all traces of me from his life because I called him at the wrong time. He'll tell me that I'm doing a good job with something one minute and will then call my efforts worthless when he gets in one of his moods. I think that, in his case, it's more post-traumatic stress syndrome than bi-polar when it comes to symptoms, but I'm starting to wonder whether or not he's also bi-polar. I'm not too sure about the bi-polar, but he has certainly had enough really bad things happen to him in his life to make him want to put up walls when he feels himself becoming too close to somebody because he doesn't want to end up going through the pain of separation again. As for myself, I'm like Garth Brooks--to know the joy of the dance is well worth not avoiding the pain. If I knew ahead of time that Pat would die of A.I.D.S., I still wouldn't have missed those hugs from him, his wonderful, contagious laughter, preparing a spaghetti dinner for him, attending parties for writers, etc. If I knew that Brenda would end up dying after botched back surgery, I still wouldn't have missed going to parties at each others homes, driving around looking at Christmas lights gracing some of the most beautiful homes in Indianapolis, our long, gabby phone conversations, etc. just to avoid sitting here crying while I write these words. If I knew that Mike would drown, Roberto would be murdered, Nancy and Allen would both end up dying in their early thirties of neurological tumors, Joyce would be taken by a heart-attack in her forties and Danny by a massive stroke in his fifties--even knowing all of that, I wouldn't have missed those friendships for anything. If I knew that Julia would end up getting Alzheimer's before she had even turned 60, I still wouldn't have wanted to miss those years of knowing this bubbly lady who was always ready with hugs, did goofy things such as dressing up as a hooker to go to a Secret Pal Halloween party at church, and having a party where everybody dressed like hillbillies and ate hillbilly food in the barn that had been prepared by her and her husband, Harold, who passed away a few years ago (also a personal loss). If I had known that Mark would end up having all of the health problems (several of them potentially life-threatening) that he does today and that it could be very possible that I'll survive him by more than a few years, I would still make the same decision that I did back in the summer of 1975 to become friends with this beautiful guy! My friend is older than I am by several years, so it's likely that I'm going to have to go through a separation that neither of us chose one of these days (not TOO soon, I hope)--on the other hand (just as with those of my friends who experienced untimely deaths), I could end up being the one to leave. But I can tell him that--as far as separations go that I have control over--I'm not going anywhere! I want him to believe this so badly! He's never going to lose my friendship! I've had a few times in my life where a friendship has ended due to the other person shutting me out. If I knew what I do now back when I first became friends with these people, would I have become friends with them? All I can say is, as Garth Brooks said, "I could have missed the pain, but I'd have had to miss the dance." I still have the memories of sitting on the floor of my apartment and gabbing on the phone about guys, funny things that happened to us, our life goals (hers being nursing and mine being teaching and writing), etc. with one friend who ended up hanging up on me, calling me names, and spreading lies about Mark and me. Those are good memories (the happy times, that is). I'm glad, in spite of how things turned out, that I had the chance to enjoy those good times. There are still so many happy memories to remember about the year, 1977, when I was head-over-heels in love with the most wonderful guy. His lies and rejection that fall hit me hard, and I'll always remember that pain, too. But I can still remember the feel of spring breeze on me as I sometimes just couldn't contain my joy and went dancing off into the night just from being happy that he was a part of my world. Those good feelings are what I choose to remember the most. Anyway, you take risks whenever you form a close bond with somebody. That's a given. I can deal with that. My friend deals with that, too--but in a less healthy way. He will put his life into compartments for one thing. If something goes traumatically-wrong in one compartment, he can always just walk away from it. For another thing, he does this shutting out business in anticipation of the end of a friendship. By doing this, he sets himself to miss out on something lasting. When he draws a circle to shut me out, I just draw a bigger circle to surround his circle and hope that he'll, once more, feel safe to leave his circle and let me hug him. I find a couple of your "symptoms" to be especially interesting ones, because I have them, too, at times. While I don't go on a wild-and-wacky spree and make a huge investment, I have been known to buy an outfit a couple of sizes too small--a kind of leap-of-faith. I haven't done this lately. What I have now are clothes in different sizes that once fit me. While I've given some of them away, there are still a few in each size that are waiting for me to fit into them again! I've also been known to pack a suitcase and take unplanned road-trips. Those are fun! Just knowing that I want to go somewhere but not yet making up my mind just where before leaving home. Think I'll save up my money and take one of those kinds of trips in a few months! In the meantime, I can take one-day trips like that. Off the subject a little bit, but one thing I love to do is to find little towns that have unusual names (or names that are meaningful in some way) and their own post offices. Then, I'll send postcards to people bearing those postmarks. Anyway, thanks for your helpful feedback, and I wish you the best with your challenges. You, as with the friend about whom I'm talking here, are always in my prayers and love. You're both wonderful blessings to me!
• United States
27 Nov 07
Wow ! You are going through a lot right now! I wish I would catch you on care2 IM. Plus you have been through a lot of deaths in your life time also. You may have a little PTS disorder yourself. That might be why you have packed and did some of the things you did too. Sweetie just hang in there you will have to be an Iron child on this one, don't give up on him. I am praying for you both! God Bless you and give you the words to say! Hugs and prayers in Jesus!
• Anderson, Indiana
27 Nov 07
No, the reason that I pack and take off without knowing where I'm going is simply because it's fun. Most times, I know where I'm heading and even, in some cases, make the motel reservations. But there are just times when it's fun to play things by ear. That's one way to discover new places that might even be places I put on my must-return list. Actually, I do have PTS that makes me do the above stuff: Post Travel Sentimentality My folks and I loved to take road-trips from the time that I was little, so this kind of traveling around and seeing both new and familiar places is just a part of my life. I usually travel with a camera and take all kinds of pictures. Remember the story about the doll buggy full of cats and dolls where I would push it along the driveway and pretend that we were going on a big trip? Thanks for your prayers! Already, in my current situation, I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel--and it isn't going to turn out to be a train (that is, unless I'm off the track and enjoying watching it go by--or having it stop and this sexy passenger from San Diego getting off with his two favorite stuffed dogs)!