I've Had It!

@Ldyjarhead (10233)
United States
February 23, 2008 7:59am CST
I started a discussion a couple of days ago about my cats digging in my plants. Several of you came up with good suggestions and I thought I had it licked. Someone said they hate citrus so orange peel in the soil should help. I cut up an orange into chunks last night and when I showed a piece to the cats they pulled away. Yeaaa, I thought I had it! I put several pieces into each pot. They left everything alone overnight but an hour after getting up this morning one of them was into that plant with a vengeance, actually pulled the stinkin orange out of there and tossed it on the floor and commenced to digging, leaving dirt all over my couch and sofa table. They've done it at least four times in the last week. I've had it! The litter box has plenty of litter in it to satisfy the digging urge and its cleaned usually twice a day. They're not looking for a place to potty, they just want to dig. I don't know what else to do. They're both female, approx 5-6 months old (they were strays/abandoned), and they will be spayed next week. If I put them outside for part of the day, will that help satisfy their urge to destroy what little I have in my house?
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
23 Feb 08
Sticky strips - This will keep your cats off things you don't want them in.
YES!! All cats need time outdoors. I know a lot of people disagree and some are going to agree but cats are like any other animal, they need time outdoors to be the cat that they are which is to dig, eat grass, climb trees, chase leaves, play with each other and what ever else cats do. If they've never been outside before, then you'll need to introduce it to them slowly or it will scare the day lights out of them and they'll never go out again. But yes, most definetly cats need time outdoors. Another thing to suggest, you can get those sticky strips from Petsmart in which you put on the top of your plants or the sides and when the cats try to get into it they'll get the sticky glue like stuff on their feet and they don't like that one bit and will turn away from it. It worked for me.
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@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
23 Feb 08
Thanks for your input. I'm really hoping being outside some will help curb some of their natural instincts. They try to bury their food by scratching the linoleum too, LOL. They've got a scratching post and plenty of toys, so I don't know what else to do. No, they've been outside. They wandered into our yard when they were very little, I believe they were abandoned. They wouldn't come near us and it took some doing to get them into the house, but we did it. I know they've been around people before, even if not handled much. They've still got a wild streak in them, but they weren't completely feral. The plan was to handle them enough to where we could get them to the vet to be spayed, then put them back out and continue to feed them and put a box/bed on the porch. We're not supposed to have pets and the landlord lives next door, but I couldn't leave them out in the severe weather here and have them perpetuate the kitty population.
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@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
23 Feb 08
If they're still feral, as long as you can still get them, then I see no problem letting them out - other than your landlord. What a sticky situation. For the scratching posts, for some reason it takes a little bit of training to get them to use it. Run your finger nails down the side of it along side your cat and then show how she can do it too by showing her with her paws and claws sticking out and run them down the post and pet the cat so she'll know it's a "good" thing. I would suggest adding cat nip but they're too young to appreciate it yet. It takes females about a year to a year and a half old to appreciate cat nip. Also they'll start scratching your furniture so put the cat posts at each corner of your furniture to curb them from scratching your furniture. Also, a rope type of scratching post does wonders to cats. They really love those kinds. I'm so glad there are people out there like you who care enough to do the right thing. Now pat yourself on the back!! LOL I'm a firm believer of what goes around comes around. You will get yours back ten fold some day. As long as they're not in heat, they should be ok outside. They don't want to breed unless they're in heat. BUT being at the age that they are, you'll have to keep a close eye on them for they could come into heat at any time and you certainly don't want them outside if and when they do. A few days after being spayed, they should do ok outside once the weather has turned warmer. I wouldn't do it in the midst of the winter because they haven't grown their fur coats yet. The first of Spring will be best. And yes a clean bedding area will be wonderful for them. One time I saw a huge number of cats at this person's house with no food or water and nothing for shelter so I went to the store and bought a tee pee type of cat shelter and a bag of food and some bottled water for them and fed them and put the tee pee up on the porch. I had to do that because they looked so pitiful. I left my phone number on the door but no one called me. Oh well, a good deed done and that's all that matters, right? lol Good luck to you!! Need any more help, add me as a friend and ask away! lol I've had cats all of my life and I'm 43 years old so I know a little about them. I have 9 cats now and 5 dogs... a miniature farm. :)
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@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
23 Feb 08
They never were completely feral, but definitely hadn't been handled recently. I've been told that if a cat hasn't been touched by humans within the first few days of its life there's little hope for them every being tamed. They're coming around, but still want to do things on their terms (they are cats, after all, LOL). They do use their scratching post, they have catnip mice that they like, they play with paper towel tubes that I've cut into smaller pieces. They've got plenty of things to keep them busy, so that's why I don't know what else to do. They will be spayed on Wed (if I don't go nuts before then!), so hopefully after a week or so this won't be a problem.
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@Loen210 (1540)
• United States
15 Mar 08
Hi, sorry so late, but just saw your posting on this. I rememebr your previous postings about plant problems. How did your babies recuperate from the surgery? They are still little tykes. :o) If you are letting them out, I would encourage just for very short periods. It's so so so sad if they are in any accident and die. :o( It's happened to me before. So, usually our kitties, we've set schedules so they want to pop in very soon for their breakfast, lunch, or dinner. :o)
@Loen210 (1540)
• United States
17 Mar 08
Glad they seemed to have recovered well. I hope they are playing safely. Being outsdie all day probably isn't too good, but glad it seems like they had lots of fun. 6 months is young to me. Our baby Sylvie (who'll always be a baby hun), we adopted when she was 9 months old I believe. And she was still smaller than a full size adult, and acted definitely like a feisty kitten too! She pounced on us like crazy until it was too much, we didn't think we'd be able to handle it. But after a few more months, she finally matured enough to settle down and be less violent (withotu claws out when pouncing before though, luckily). :o)
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
16 Mar 08
They came through the surgery and recovery just fine. They're not so little anymore, I'd say they're at least 6 months old and almost grown. We put them out yesterday and they must have had a big adventure because they appeared back on the porch at bedtime all dirty and hungry (I did have food/water out for them). They slept all night instead of playing, so that was a good thing!
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
24 Feb 08
it is their nature to dig up and eat plants be careful as some plants are toxic and will kill them. I suggest you do not keep plants anymore
@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
23 Feb 08
Hi Ldyjarhead, I sympathize with your predicament - cats are very stubborn creatures, and will find a way to do whatever it is that the want to do unless you are there to explicitly supervise them at all times. Letting your cats outside will probably cure their bad indoor habits, but there's a couple of potential flounders in that kettle of fish. It depends very much on your neighborhood and on the general environment, but here's what would worry me about letting cats outside in the area where I live. Firstly, if they're looking for somewhere to go and do a nice steaming cat poo, chances are they'll go and find a nice comfy place in someone's vege garden or flower bed to dig up and plant their business. That's what cats do - they find some nice loose soil and then use that repeatedly whenever they feel the urge to have a crap (and that's what it is - let's not be squeamish here, you'd most likely prefer that they did it in their kitty litter and not in your pot plants - and the neighbor a couple of doors away might have similar thoughts, though not quite so understanding ones). Unlike dogs, whose owners are needed to guide them down the sidewalk and onto someone else's front lawn in order surreptitiously drop a doggy do, cats are exquisitely mobile creatures and are quite able to go and plant their poos wherever they like within a 5 mile radius of your home. And they will - guaranteed. Most likely in someone's flower bed or carrot patch. The second concern that I would have about cats on the prowl is that's exactly what they do, especially if released anywhere near sunset. Cats are killing machines - they generally sleep all day, because they are programmed to hunt at night - when all the little critters that they like to massacre are sound asleep and vulnerable in their nests. That irresistably cute little Tiddles and seemingly harmless funball Fluffy have totally different personalities when the perspective shifts to a bird's eye view. It's a big problem in Australia, where domestic cats typically kill about 300 native animals a year - EACH. I know that different cats have different personalities etc etc. I've seen cats myself that were so gentle they'd genuinely not harm a fly - but they're a rare exception, a VERY rare exception, to the rule that cats are born killers. Let them out in the afternoon, and they won't come back until the next morning, after an exciting night out hunting buffalo or whatever else they're able to sink their teeth into (and making sure to stop off at Mr. Jones' cabbage patch to bury a couple of really big poos for Mr. Jones to find). A third concern about allowing cats to roam is that they are territorial, and so love to kill each other, and are also good dog food when a big enough dog thinks so. SO they're not only terrorizing the rest of the animal kingdom, they're also in harm's way when they're on the loose. You won't generally have any of these problems with dogs, because dogs mostly aren't able to climb fences and trees and break into top security facilities like cats can. None of this might actually be a cause for concern where you live, depending on your circumstances there. Cats are very engaging creatures, arguably purpose-built for close human companionship. I happen to like cats and they like me, but they do require particular management to avoid problems where I live (most people don't manage their cats properly, unfortunately, and it does cause problems). So there's a few thoughts on whether to let your cats outside. Like it or not, it's not necessarily an easy matter to resolve. Some people I know take their cats for walks each day on a leash, and those cats are as happy as any dog who might go walkies because they're used to it. They come trotting down the footpath with their tails in the air, stretching their little leashes with their owner close behind. A rare few very responsible people actually fence in their back yard with chicken wire, in the same way as one would for an aviary, except it's to contain their cats in the back yard. That's called a "cat run", and it's the perfect solution, in my opinion. But not too many people will actually go to that much trouble, when there's really nothing to motivate them to do so. In that case, the cats could have a great big sand pit out the back, all to themselves to dig in and do whatever else they might feel like doing when the urge possesses them. Well, I hope you figure out some way to reconcile your cats with their environment and with your decor. One can only do the best one can with what one's got.
@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
23 Feb 08
Hi Ldyjarhead, Sorry to bury with verbage there. I used to live on a farm, and the cats were really rugged specimens there - but they did a good job of keeping snakes away from the house etc. Also sorry about the double post - sometimes I can't quite figure out what myLot is doing to me, and what it's done with my posts.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
23 Feb 08
Thanks for the input, guy. I probably won't have many of the issues you mentioned as I'm in a fairly rural area. They're not supposed to be 'my' cats anyway, but I just couldn't leave them to run around outside and make more babies, ya know? At least if I have them spayed before putting them out, it will solve that problem.
• Canada
24 Feb 08
Hello I have 2 felines...a "human" 14 year old tabby and a 9 month old, AKA the cat from hell. Both are females. The little one, Divina, was my mom's cat...and she couldn't take it anymore for the same reasons you mention. We tried everything - citrus, aluminum paper, rocks, repellents, chili pepper, moth balls...you name it. Same results, worse every day. She HAD to go into the plants and destroy. I took her and thought I could help...she did the same thing here. After a couple of weeks of cleaning up every morning, I was about to throw her out of my 2nd story balcony...I was at my wits' end. But she's so cute and affectionate that it was breaking my heart. FINALLY...I found the solution. It's called "SCAT" and it's an air pump that you put anywhere you don't want your cat to go. When she approaches it, SCAT sprays air...enough to scare the cat away. HALLELUIAH!!! It WORKS. She uses the litter box now, and forgot about the plants altogether. She learned in just ONE DAY. Don't give up...try getting this "SCAT". I bought it at the pet shop for about $50 CDN. No big deal, compared to what could be. Please try it out before giving up. We're all living happily together now...as she decided to move in permanently.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
24 Feb 08
That sounds like a great idea, but unfortunately, I can't afford to spend any more money. I don't even really have the money to get they spayed, but that's not optional and has to be done. I'm hoping that being able to go outside some will help.
• United States
26 Feb 08
I don't know if putting them outside will help or not. It seems like it should, but it didn't work for me. When I had an indoor/outdoor cat, it went after the plants just as much as my indoor-only cats do. I'd tried the orange peels too and my cat was actually attracted to them, so that sort of backfired. Good luck! I know how frustrating this can be. I finally gave up and now our plants all sit atop the fridge or in hanging planters that the cat cannot get to.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
26 Feb 08
Well I'm borrowing a cat carrier today (yea, freecycle!) and they will be going to the vet first thing tomorrow morning. Hopefully by this time next week I'll know whether it did any good or not. Little heathens got into the one plant again last night. There won't be any dirt left in the pot soon. Tom re-potted the thing yesterday, they had dug it out so bad. He had a talk with them last night and told them they better not be playing engineer anymor. He's not going to be happy that his little talk did no good. :)
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
23 Feb 08
Actually that could help them a bit They are only young and they still have to learn Saying that sometimes our Cats used to go in the Plants You can try putting them out for a bit and see if that works
@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
23 Feb 08
Hi Ldyjarhead, I sympathize with your predicament - cats are very stubborn creatures, and will find a way to do whatever it is that they want to do unless you are there to explicitly supervise them at all times. Letting your cats outside will probably cure their bad indoor habits, but there's a couple of potential flounders in that kettle of fish. It depends very much on your neighborhood and on the general environment, but here's what would worry me about letting cats outside in the area where I live. Firstly, if they're looking for somewhere to go and do a nice steaming cat poo, chances are they'll go and find a nice comfy place in someone's vege garden or flower bed to dig up and plant their business. That's what cats do - they find some nice loose soil and then use that repeatedly whenever they feel the urge to have a crap (and that's what it is - let's not be squeamish here, you'd most likely prefer that they did it in their kitty litter and not in your pot plants - and the neighbor a couple of doors away might have similar thoughts, though not quite so understanding ones). Unlike dogs, whose owners are needed to guide them down the sidewalk and onto someone else's front lawn in order to surreptitiously drop a doggy do, cats are exquisitely mobile creatures and are quite able to go and plant their poos wherever they like within a 5 mile radius of your home. And they will - guaranteed. Most likely in someone's flower bed or carrot patch. The second concern that I would have about cats on the prowl is that's exactly what they do, especially if released anywhere near sunset. Cats are killing machines - they generally sleep all day, because they are programmed to hunt at night - when all the little critters that they like to massacre are sound asleep and vulnerable in their nests. That irresistably cute little Tiddles and seemingly harmless funball Fluffy have totally different personalities when the perspective shifts to a bird's eye view. It's a big problem in Australia, where domestic cats typically kill about 300 native animals a year - EACH. Cats are the Terminators of the animal world - they have night vision and no conscience. And all those little furry creatures hiding in fear are John Connor. It is true that different cats have different personalities etc etc. I've seen cats myself that were so gentle they'd genuinely not harm a fly - but they're a rare exception, a VERY rare exception, to the rule that cats are born killers. Let them out in the afternoon, and they won't come back until the next morning, after an exciting night out hunting buffalo or whatever else they're able to sink their teeth into (and making sure to stop off at Mr. Jones' cabbage patch to bury a couple of really big poos for Mr. Jones to find). A third concern about allowing cats to roam is that they are territorial, and so love to kill each other, and are also good dog food when a big enough dog thinks so. Possibly worse still, even if your female cats have been spayed, they'll still get brutally gang-raped by marauding gangs of break-dancing ghetto cats if they're out after curfew - and they might not even be safe during daylight hours. SO they're not only terrorizing the rest of the animal kingdom, they're also in harm's way when they're on the loose. You won't generally have any of these problems with dogs, because dogs mostly aren't able to climb fences and trees and break into top security facilities like cats can. None of this might actually be a cause for concern where you live, depending on your circumstances there. Cats are very engaging creatures, arguably purpose-built for close human companionship. I happen to like cats and they like me, but they do require particular management to avoid problems where I live (most people don't manage their cats properly, unfortunately, and it does cause problems). So there's a few thoughts on whether to let your cats outside. Like it or not, it's not necessarily an easy matter to resolve. Some people I know take their cats for walks each day on a leash, and those cats are as happy as any dog who might go walkies because they're used to it. They come trotting down the footpath with their tails in the air, stretching their little leashes with their owner close behind. A rare few very responsible people actually fence in their back yard with chicken wire, in the same way as one would for an aviary, except it's to contain their cats in the back yard. That's called a "cat run", and it's the perfect solution, in my opinion. But not too many people will actually go to that much trouble, when there's really nothing to motivate them to do so. In that case, the cats could have a great big sand pit out the back, all to themselves to dig in and do whatever else they might feel like doing when the urge possesses them. Well, I hope you figure out some way to reconcile your cats with their environment and with your decor. As suggested before, none of this might be so relevant to your circumstances - if you are on a farm or somewhere that natural predators already abound, then a couple of extra cats might actually provide a domestic service by keeping snakes, rats and rabbits down. One can only do the best one can with what one's got.
@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
23 Feb 08
Sorry folks, I don't know how or why two editions of this diatribe ended up here. Seems to happen a fair bit - to other posters too. Might be more to this than just posters with finger trouble?
@Bev1986 (1425)
• United States
17 Mar 08
oh boy! I've never had the problem... my problem has been that they eat the leaves! So I had to make sure all my plants are on shelves that they can't get to, or a windowsill. I'm always afraid they're going to eat one that is poisonous and get sick :( I had heard about the orange peel too, but if they are smart enough to just throw it out, it's not going to help you much! Sorry!
@micfac7 (158)
• United States
24 Feb 08
Another thing I know about is Spanish Moss used in crafting, put it really thick around the base of the plant to cover the dirt. That has helped in our home and we have 5 cats. Good luck!!!
• United States
24 Feb 08
We ended up putting small decorative rocks over the dirt in our plants to keep our cat out. It worked for us.
@Ldyjarhead (10233)
• United States
24 Feb 08
I thought about that too, but then its harder to tell when the soil is dry and needs watering. I'm also not sure it would work, because now they seem to think the whole thing is a toy, and not just the dirt. They are still knocking over the pots and spilling dirt everywhere. When I put the orange in the other day, they dug it out and threw it on the floor!