Handicap Parking.

United States
March 21, 2008 10:27am CST
I was watching a show called "Penn & Teller:Bullsh!t" and the topic was handicap parking, and how it doesn't make sense. I tend to agree with this statement. It seems like these laws are in place to prevent us from treating handicap people poorly. However, putting law like this into place really just make us treat them differently! Many handicap people are also against many of the laws in place that make us treat them differently. Do they really need to be closer to the stores? I think that, if given the choice to have handicap parking spaces at stores instead of a law making it mandatory, many store owners would have these spaces available anyway. I feel that laws like this show that the government does not trust people to help other people. I have nothing against handicap people, but I feel that if people want to be treated equally, then it should go both ways. What do you think?
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@bdugas (3581)
• United States
22 Mar 08
Sorry to disagree with you but I have a handicap parking permit, it was given to me because I have had one major heart attack, I also have COPD from the factory work that I did, and have a real problem breathing when I have to walk a long ways. So they gave me the parking permit so that it would be a bit easier for me to get into the grocery or where ever and not be tired out before I make it to the store. And if there was not a law enforcing people not to park in these spaces with out such a permit, then you would never be able to find one empty. Not long ago I was at Wal Mart and waited while a very crippled man got his car out of one of the spaces, so that I could pull in. Another car pulled up on the other side with no permit showing, he immediately pulled into the spot leaving me sitting there. It was a young person and he jumped out of the car and started for the store. When i told him he was in a handicap space he told me to shut the hell up he was in a hurry and wasn't going to be there that long. I did report him to the guard there and he did notify the local police. We can not depend on people to not park in these spaces on their own. If there was no law then why park way down the line when you could park by the door. some people need to be treated differnetly because they are different. When I go with my daughter to the store she has to park way down the lane most of the time and by the time I get to the entrance I am all ready out of breath and makes it real hard to continue to shop. And we already know that there are many people who could careless about other people. You are talking bull when you say we should trust them to not park there. Is it you are mad that you don't have such a permit, it seems that way. From what I see you say you have nothing against handicap people but let them walk like you have to. Sorry you are wrong on all counts but then eveyone is entited to their own opinion. Believe me if I had my way I would rather be able to wald from the farthest space than to have the problems I have and I think most handicap will tell you the same.
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• United States
24 Mar 08
Wow. Okay. No need to be rude to me. I still gave you a positive, because you are right to disagree. I did not say that we should take away handicapped people's rights. Not at all. I was asking people to check out an episode of this show, and to give their opinion. I don't mind walking. I really don't. And I don't judge people because of a disability. However, please read on the website for application for a handicap permit. Almost anything can be determined as a handicap, and as long as you get a doctor to sign off on it, almost anyone can get a permit. I guess the real debate is what is determined to be a handicap, and if people didn't abuse the system, would store owners then be more helpful with this community.
@bdugas (3581)
• United States
24 Mar 08
i never read what it takes to get a permit, I had an awful time getting the permit, it was given to me when i had a spell from waking across the parking lot in the heat this summer. walking is suppose to be good for me because of the excerise for my heart but then the COPD takes away the breathing. I would like to think stores would see that there was a spot for handicap people if it wasn't enforced by law, but you know I am beginng to think store could care less about you anymore.They will let you know real fast they could care less if you a customer or not. It would be a perfect world if we all and notice I said we (including me did all that was right, and yes I do know some that has permits and don't need them, some doctors don't care. i did not mean to be rude. I sometime try to walk from a little farther down if I'm feeling pretty good and I think someone else may need it more. Would the stores do it willing, I think some would and probably some would not. And yes you are right that it must make some feel that they can't be trusted to do the right thing and not park in the spots. so many things are forced upon us nowadays. Guess some make it bad for all the rest just like everything else.
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• United States
24 Mar 08
I agree, and thank you for coming back and reading my responses. Some people in this world are compassionate, and others are not.
@teison2 (5924)
• Norway
21 Mar 08
I myself is in a position where I really need a handicap parking pass. I have not gotten it yet. I do want to be treated equally with well people, but by making me live by the same rules I am treated unweually. I have an illness where I do not tolerate much activity, not much light and not much sound. I have a wheelchair because when i do not use all my energy and consentration on walking i am able to use it for other things. I have a limited pot of energy to draw from. If I cab park right by the door I can manage to stay that much longer in the store. If I get exhausted I can go right outside to my car and rest. I could go on about the advantages, but I will stop here. My point is that sometimes we need diffeent treatment in order for us to have equal oportunities. with no HC parking I can go shopping, or do anythng really, less often than I would if I had access to HC parking. If my life improves drastically by getting this why should that not be enforced by law? I think well people do not suffer much by letting me have this. I would gladly trade with you in one second
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• United States
21 Mar 08
Thank you for your response! I agree that handicap parking is a good thing. However, I feel that store owners would do the right thing and have handicap parking on their own. Wouldn't you rather visit a merchant that thought about the handicap community, as opposed to an owner who was just forced into doing it? I feel that business owners would cater MORE to this community if given the choice. I don't suffer AT ALL by letting you have this privilege. I was just making the argument about store owners and how the government forces people to be compassionate, where I feel people would do it on their own. Thanks again for the response!
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@teison2 (5924)
• Norway
21 Mar 08
I wish store owners and others would make their stores and other properties available for me as a wheel chair user without being made to do so. Unfortunately that is not my experience. Naturally there are exceptions, but generally speaking it is hellish to get anywhere in a wheelchair or find parking spaces near where I am going. I do not think this comes from ill will. i just do not think that people with no disabilities think about this much without beeing reminded. Thus I think it is good that there are laws that ensures they do think about it.
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• United States
22 Mar 08
ok well while most of the time i watch the people walk to and from the handicap spot i cant help but thinking...why do they need it they dont seem to have a problem walking. I however have no clue of there medical issues maybe they have a heart condition and long walks can create a problem. Now if i know someone who needs to cut in line at the store because i see they are having problems or they have 4 kids boucing on their cart and i notice the look of exasberation cross their eyes i would be more then happy to let them cut in line ahead of me if i am not in a hurry to get to work or something important. However kindness is a rare thing now in this day and age. How many people would you know that when seeing the elderly or other in trouble would go out of their way to help them? I would but know few other that would. Hence why the government had to step in and require handicap access a law.
• United States
24 Mar 08
Ahh! Thank you for that great post. I agree with you. I am very kind to others who look like they may need to cut in front of me, or are having problems just getting around by holding the door, etc. I agree that most people just need to get some manners, and much of this debate would go away. Parents need to teach their kids some respect early on so it carries on into their adult life.
• United States
21 Mar 08
Stores owners would not have the parking spaces anyway. That is why they was law was created. Most people ignore handicap people and avoid them like a plauge. If a law is in favor that is benefiting a handicap person I see nothing wrong with it. If your not handicap and one day it could happen to any of us, then one would appreciate the convenience for the disabled.
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• United States
21 Mar 08
My father is disabled, so I do appreciate it. However, I feel that store owners would find it in their best interest to cater to the handicapped community, instead of being forced into it. I agree that there are people who do need these closer spaces, but people are generally compassionate. You should watch the program from Penn & Teller. They have handicap people on there from before these laws went into effect, and many of them feel that they have hindered them, and not helped them.
• United States
21 Mar 08
Well, I can see your point.. however on streets where handicap parking would be available would be a different story. I dont think it could be up to the store owners to create those positions. So, while I think your idea would be a good one, I dont think it would work in all situations. I think it would make people realize what shops and stores in their area care about all people and accessibility. I think there are alot of shops out there that arent easily as accesible. From a personal experience, my dad needs a handicap tag but he refuses to get one because of how people judge others. He's too proud for that.
@whiteheron (4223)
• United States
21 Mar 08
It is nice that you believe store owners can be trusted to put in handicapped parking but given their fight against it now and prior to the Americans With Disabilities Act, it is unlikely that you would be correct in your assessment. I d not believe that the business establishments can be trusted as they have proven themselves for many years to be untrustworthy in this area. We have got some distance away from the thought that those with disabilities should be hidden away from the public but there are still stores and restaurants that would rather not see them come into their establishments and even today they fight against making their restrooms handicapped accessible or insuring that their are curb cuts and ramps that make wheelchair access possible... I think that perhaps the laws that are in place were and still are needed because when it comes to business there is no big gain to businesses in treating the disabled individuals fairly and there is in fact still a monetary cost in doing so. As long as they perceive the costs outweighing the benefits from a monetary perspective, the rules will be needed to insure those spaces in front of the stores are reserved for those who need them and the laws which forbid non disabled individuals from using them will continue to be needed.
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@mari61960 (4895)
• United States
21 Mar 08
Being one of thosse needing hanicapped parking..I must say yes I need to be closer to the store. Since last August I have not been able to walk with out a cane and I can't walk very far. I have 3 herniated discs, arthritis and spinal stenosis. The pain is incredible, believe me. If I had to walk from the other end of the parking lot, I wouldn't make it. I then need an electric cart to get around in the store or not go. I do think that it is often an abused privilage. I do want to be treated eaqually but if you are able to park further away then that's great...those of us that can;t get around need it.