Unfair charges.

Oh No Munchkin this is not a pleasant situation at all is it but I would appeal and appeal again. I would also go and see all your tutors and explain and get them on your side too as this is just not fair if you have in fact returned the books. My daughter is at university herself and I know how she would feel over something like this. Keep taking it to higher people until this siuation is resolved in your favour. Keep me informed of how you get on. Huggles. Ellie :D

Who did you give the books back to? did you get a reciept? i definately wouldn't back down backing down for me now would be like admitting i'd made a mistake. I know how unis can be putting pressure on you as i had some issues with mine over my placement. You need to be true to yourself hun i think it's absolutely rediculous that they are stopping you enroling even the law states innocent until proven guilty. I would be speaking to your adviser and citizens advise and then if need be the newspaper and everyone else in a position of power that could help. I definately would not be backing down if they want to play the bullying game bring it on lets play i say!

[i]HI Munchkin, That is very sad, how come they have no record that you return the said books? can you asked them to open their log books on the day you returned those books? I will be working hard to follow up so that they to check their list and will prove to them by any means! That is very unfair! Anyway, I haven't in that situation but I will not pay if that will happen to me especially when I am very sure that I returned it! I had a room mate who was also fined before but it was his fault since he didn't bother to return the books, his mom paid it all because the more it will accumulate since they are giving interest each week![/i]

That is totally awful. Is this like a library thing? If so then you probably have a library card to prove your return. If not, you're on the edge of a bureacratic system that won't budge. For all we know they may have just misplaced the friggin' books. I had this experience once when I tried to get my school clearance after school term ended. They didn't sign my clearance and was charging me an awful lot for unreturned books. What pissed me off really was I had to find where I placed my library cards stamped returned. It took me almost 3 weeks till I found it. I showed them the card marked returned, they said sorry, and I said big deal, next time I won't be too nice about this. Get your act together or some students won't get to finish school for your incompetence. Lol. I guess if I didn't find those cards, I would have been forced to pay for the books so I could continue my studies in the friggin' university. I have other ways to persuade really incompetent and even arrogant and bad people, but I use that as a last resort. Lol. cheers!!!

hey hiii munchin..!!! hope you are doing fine..and think you should fight either you should prove yourself that you have already paid the charges..or you need to fight as a student that they cant stop you to allow your system....cause you will be in a big problem as you wont be able to enrol for a year...!!! so just start fighting for it...and just try and try until you prove yourself... as you know " NO DEFEAT IS KNOW AS A DEFEAT UNTIL YOU QUIT..." wish this works out for you...munchkin....!!!

Well I suppose by now you must have had a word with the higher authorities. The disadvantage on your side is, the fact that you have no record of having the book returned to them , check if date of return is mentioned in your library card though . The only way you have, is to pay them off, but you can ask for netotiations. It is a fault from both sides. You can use the point, that even if you did not return at the right moment, you were not notified of that fact immediately. You can ask them to reduce that amount of money. Also, you can check if those book are available on amazon or somewhere else, for less price, that is, the used section, since the library books are used as well, so that way you might be able to save some money. Do update me with what happened. Good day.

I have had a similar situation arise with my public library, although in your case it is a lot more serious since classes, degrees and careers are on th eline. It seems that the librarians alwys assume that they are infallable and that it must obviously be you that is lying or forgetting. There seems to be no recourse either. Unlike the laws of society, where you are assumed innocent until proven guilty, you are called guilty and that is it with such cases. I suppose you could hire a lawyer and fight something like this, but it would probably cost you more than the fines, and the librarians know it. But I can't wait for someone to bring such a case to court, because it may then set a precedent. If so, it may mean that the libraries can only set rules that comply to such a court ruling.

I usually just answer through my email so I cannot see what everyone else has put, but this time I came through the other way and so read the first page of responses and I see that you have already solved this! It is really good that they have dropped the charges, more likely they had a good look for the books and found them somewhere else, this happened to my son once with the library. We returned his books and they swore black was white that they had not had them back and they wanted us to pay a fine. I refused and a few weeks later it was all dropped and they were nicey nicey, they said that as my son was a minor they would let it go this time, but I know they found the books but just did not want to admit it and look daft and have to apologise.

its really a problem if somebody or people who think your not trustworthy if that spread and all are agreed with one person about what youve done or not really youve done all will be scared and stay away from you. it is not to good that other accuse you of such thing that you really didnt do... your not the only one whos been accuse...

OOHhh you do one thing ......ask them to show the records they maintain where they mark book is returned or not .... If those records say it is not returned.........accompany your only one friend and go to the priciple/head/director of the college and explain him everything ..... In my college such issues are often dismissed by director/head/principle in favour of students ....hope that will help ..... Hope your problem is sorted out soon .... Take Care Ganesh

Yes it is unfair and I think you should be wise in dealing with this. Know your options and choose wisely. I mean this will have an impact in your immediate future, I think if you can pay then pay, just come to think of it as a charity. It's not worth the fight, for one thing you can't enroll and worst you might loose in the end and end up paying anyways on top addtion the aggravation and delay in your enrollment. If you can't pay then ypu have no choice but to fight to the bitter end, why not ask help from ypur council? or from legal advisers. Good luck i hope you can sort it out and fair.

Do you have the evidence that you already return it back to them before the times out?? If you have one, you can protest this problem to dean, can you? if i were you, i cannot accept what people mistakes and then blame it all to me, it's untolerated It seems that what they really want is your money, well i'm not sure for this, but i think they try to fool you

Thats alot of money. I would go nuts. I probably wouldnt pay at all and call them back and say it was your responsibility and your fault that my books have been misplaced so that is too bad for you now.

Sad to hear this.. but dint you sign on note while returning back the books. Usually in our school we were suppose to sign while returning the book so that the school has some proof of it. In a university there are soo many students, there must be record for all this. I think you need to check this out.

Munchkin This is a tough situation for you. And if you end up paying that would obviously prove that you were wrong! This is quite strange also. I mean, you must have presented the receipts or things like that! How can they not register your returns! I would want you to go by the counters proofs if you have anything like that with you. And pls keep me updated, I am really worried Love and huggles.

I would keep fighting for my rights. Can you take your case to a students union who will voice your protest at the top hierarchy to re examine your case? I would not pay for others mistakes. I will try to voice my case until it heard, writing in local newspapers, calling the concerned persons to review my case.

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Hey munch, That is really ridiculous! Why isn't there a way for them to find out that you returned the books. Didn't you get some kind of receipt or have to punch some kind of card when you returned them? Don't you get some kind of proof when you return the books? There has to be someone who you can speak with explaining this problem that will listen to you and believe you! There has to be someone in the Administration that will understand your situation and know that you are telling the truth. You have to make someone believe you! Don't you dare give up Munch! Your future depends on you staying there and fighting no matter what! You know that you returned those books and you need to fight to prove it! Go to the head of the school or whomever you need to go to so you can straighten this out. Don't be afraid to speak up and speak loudly!

That not so pleasant.. And that's a very high charge :o Did you receive any proof that you have returned the books ?? Have a nice day..

This is quite tricky. If not paying for it will affect your future drastically, i suggest you pay the charges. Think of it as another example of life is not fair. If these will affect you and successfully bring you down then it is time to pull the brakes on your principle first.