Does GOD requires us to suffer for us to grow spiritually?

@maria_k (925)
United States
January 1, 2009 11:45pm CST
Does the saying " no pain no gain" apply? and, does GOD demand human being to suffer in order to grow spiritually?
4 responses
@GADHISUNU (2162)
• India
2 Jan 09
Why do you say God requires us to suffer to grow spiritually. It is our limitation that we never understand suffering or the real pain of it until you have had it at least once. If you happened to see a person suffering from a debilitating disease, like say MS, what would your view be. It troubles you. There are many who would be callous enough to make light of it. Take the example of the great physicist Stephen Hawking who had MS. Yet he has braved it and continued his enquiry into reality as he found fit. His overcoming his greatest limitation while retaining his zest for life ! Could you just "imagine" how "worthless" he could have found to live his life. From a total denial of God to a tentaive acceptance of Him is a great transformation! So, when suffering could bring such transformation - as to see the limitation of all human knowledge in working a way out of physical suffering is a lesson that cannot be learnt except by going through such a suituation. It is just impossible that you have a life of your imagination and yet you get close to God.
@maria_k (925)
• United States
2 Jan 09
I am not sure if I understand your saying correctly: "It is just impossible that you have a life of your imagination and yet you get close to God." Pain is just in our imagination? Pain is not real? Pain is only real when you feel it real? as in the case of when you for a surgery and the doctor give anestesia to numb your pain or to knock you out. Or, as in the case of Stephen Hawking, he sees his physical condition as a challenge. But, why does he has to born that way? can he has a perfect body and still has a genius mind at the same time? He choose to be that way or God make him that way? Thank you for your input
@GADHISUNU (2162)
• India
2 Jan 09
Maria, let's say you desire to be born rich. You want to have great house. You have it. You just think of something and you have it. When things happen in that manner to you what will you state of mind be? Hmmm.. I am the sole controller of my destiny. I am the creator of my destiny! This is what I meant when I said if were getting the life of your imagination. Do you feel then there is a God at all? Change to this scene. For sometime things were happening the way you wanted them to, and suddenly you find as if every effort of yours were thwarted. Then you stop to take a look at your and others' suffering. A slight shade of doubt crops up in you whether really you are the controller of your destiny? You start by thinking of whether there exists something beyond you alone in this Universe which or who is regulating individual destinies into some grand plan. Then you posit that means let it be that there is a Super-duper or supreme power and start building into your plans or "imaginations" one more element of doubt. This is how God enters into our theory building. If you had a hard stance on something like say if were despising poverty then you top to take a second look at such a thing. God therefore doesn't teach by giving sermons from a pulpit but by making go through situations. Some highly imaginative people built beautiful "religions" around this limitations to human possibilities. But the true religion(in fact it is better to call it spirituality) enters you only when you personally connect with God or that Supreme Power that ultimately arranges the events in Life for you in such a manner that you "learn" by "tasting" reality and not as it is dictated in some religious Scripture. You are really miles away from God when you are only going by some Scriptural injunction, whether positive or negative. IOW, if you give up stealing because there is a commandment: Thou shalt not steal- you have really not grown much. You are just a follower of some religion. But you steal someone's something, and that pains that person so much that you move on to the position: I shall not steal- come what may even if you were say dying of hunger, then you have risen above your religion! So, I say suffering God's best way of making you close to Him. If Stephen Hawking has had MS and he has risen above the limitations and even if he just utters God, I say he has "risen" closer to God than the most comfortable and regularly praying mantis like me!
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• India
2 Jan 09
Am neither sure about God nor about our suffering for enlightenment. It is said the Lord Buddha was born as a price who suffered nothing in life. He was pampered, rich, lacked nothing and lead a most comfortable life as befits a prince. Then one day while he was out, he say an old man, half bent and begging with sorrow written all over his face. That led Prince Sidhartha to think as to why do humans suffer and how can they free themselves from this suffering. So you see, though Sidhartha as a prince suffered no hardship, that was in no way an obstacle in his quest for the truth.
@maria_k (925)
• United States
2 Jan 09
I agree with on the life of Buddha, but my question was and still is why couldn't he stay at his palace and still achieve enlightment? Why did he have to leave his home to meditate?
• India
5 Jan 09
Well the palance is not exactly a very conducive place to meditate. There are so many distractions and he had his parents and wife and son too! On the other hand, if a person decides to give up worldly pleasures and attachments (as Sidhartha did), why the need for him to continues staying at home? The entire world then becomes his home and he feels like roaming everywhere.
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
17 Jan 09
I don't think He demands anyone to suffer but it seems that some of life's most important lessons are often painful lessons. Maybe He just feels that if it's a hard enough lesson you'll learn from it the first time around and not have to repeat it. [b]**AT PEACE WITHIN** ~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~[/b]
2 Jan 09
Our suffering is a derect act of our ego, when we give up ego the suffering from correction stops and we grow spiritually.
@maria_k (925)
• United States
2 Jan 09
You have a point there. As I observe people who follow their spiritual path often have problems with their spouse. I think because their thinkings are differrents also are their needs.