The myth of Hindu tolerance

@Gordano (795)
United States
May 29, 2009 9:06pm CST
While reading the News, I found Myself reading an Interesting Article By Rahila Gupta titled "The myth of Hindu tolerance" She said: There is a profoundly disquieting myth about Hinduism which has been put about by its adherents so often and so successfully that it is in danger of crystallising into a truth – that of its essentially pluralistic and tolerant traditions. Recently this viewpoint was repeated in the Face to faith column of this newspaper by Nitin Mehta who argued that "There are thousands of sects within Hinduism, and violence between them is unknown." This is, at best, disingenuous and, at worst, dishonest. He appears to gloss over the troublesome fact that caste Hindus have been callous towards their own – the Dalits or the "Untouchables" as they were previously known. To argue that they are not a sect would be pure semantics. Nitin Mehta uses a piece of sophistry to suggest the superiority of Hinduism particularly vis-à-vis Islam without once mentioning Islam by name. He refers to the tolerance of religions that have their roots in India namely, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism and Jainism – thereby implicitly damning Islam as a "foreign" imposition and as intolerant. Well here are the facts: Islam in India dates back to at least the 7th century. A presence of 1400 years is surely long enough to put down roots; there were nearly 10,000 cases of recorded crimes against Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe members in 2007 and we know that most crimes do not get recorded in India because of a corrupt and brutal police force; many Indians are still reeling from the massacre of Muslims in Gujarat in 2002, one of several over the years; and only last year vicious attacks in Orissa left at least 60 Christians dead. It is little wonder that in the recent elections in India, many parties and political candidates defined their agendas in opposition to the BJP (Bharatiya Janata party), the political face of Hinduism. Far from being sprinkled with the magic powder of tolerance, all those religions that rubbed shoulders with Hinduism picked up its divisive caste system. Even South Asian Muslims, despite the emphasis on egalitarianism in the Qu'ran, have a caste system. Sikhism, when it was founded by Guru Nanak, was an explicit rejection of both Hinduism and Islam, especially the caste system. Yet Sikhism is also polluted by the strictures of caste, not just in India but the world over. Gurdwaras or Sikh temples serving various Sikh castes have been flourishing in the UK from the time that Sikhs began settling here. The recent killing of the Sikh Guru, Sant Ramanand, a Ravidassia (Dalit) Sikh in Vienna by higher caste Sikhs is a shocking reminder of the strength of these traditions even in small diasporic communities in Europe. The gift of the caste system by Hindus to well over one-fifth of the world's population wipes out the beneficial impact of any wisdom in its philosophical traditions. Until caste is eradicated, anyone trying to claim the mantle of tolerance for Hinduism must be opposed and challenged. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/may/28/hinduism-tolerance-india after reading This Article I remembered The Story of The BJP leader (the political face of Hinduism.) Who was arrested for raping His daughter for eight years and some Questions araised: Is This Raping Daughters a common Practice among The Hindus or It Evil Actions of few among them and one shouldn't generalize ? http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/politics/bjp-leader-arrested-for-raping-daughter-for-eight-years_100171305.html What is This "caste system" Means in Hinduism ? and Why it is So Bad ? What Exactly is the Term "Untouchables" stand For ? Can Anyone Here Enlighten us about These Terms ? Best Regards
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@fizanali (478)
• Pakistan
30 May 09
Nice point Gordano that how can there tolerance when you don't treat people equally as in Islam. But I'm sure that it is a misunderstood tradition and I don't believe raping of daughters is common practice in any religion in the world it is just done by evil people who have lost their path and now follow the devil. I know a little about the Hindu belief or the Sanatana Dharma if you would like to call it. The BIGGEST PUZZLE I face is that is it a religion or is it just a geographical distribution i.e people of Hindustan called Hindu . The next BIG Question comes about their scripture e.g the VEDAS as the highest one, it has so many illogical verses and the Hindus know it ! But still they follow what it says ! how can you be sure that what it says is not another illogical verse like so many others ! Few examples: 'The bull has supported the sky' Yajur Ved: 14:5 'The sky is supported by pillars' Yajur Ved: 4:30 I don't want to make it any longer as there are too many !
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@krajibg (11923)
• Guwahati, India
30 May 09
You are absolutely right. Just look at the women in those country. They even are not allowed to show their face and thus cover with a veil. Where is the human equality there?
@fizanali (478)
• Pakistan
31 May 09
Hi sndcain36 and krajibg, Yes Islam treats men and women equally. I don't know how many times I have to explain this to non-Muslims but you should realize that Islam treats both of them equally but maybe the people don't .I won't want to call them Muslims because I loath them as much as you do, I don't know these people maybe they are some American agents or tribal people who don't know anything about Islam because they do not follow the teachings of Quran, sunnah or Hadith. You can read this discussion where me, sudiptacallingu and cannibal are having a chat on the same topic if you want join in there because it's very difficult to keep on answering the same questions. Or just watch 'Peace TV' and you'll get your answers. Now can you answer the Questions I have (as I mentioned before) about your religion ? And another thing Islam doesn't teach forced conversion, I'm not saying that no Muslim ever did it maybe a very few did do it but then they are to be punished for that. If Islam taught us that, then all of India should have been Muslim, Spain should be Muslim, All of Arabia should be Muslim, don't you think ? Then how are many Europeans and Americans converting to Islam more than any other religion who is forcing them? It is their logic and understanding and their freedom of choice which forces them to convert.
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@GADHISUNU (2162)
• India
31 May 09
All of India could not be converted to Islam despite the use of sword every often, is my dear man the inherent strength of SD, and the softening of attitude that Muslims had once they came over to India. Nor could the wily technique of exploitation of the poverty and other inequities in Hindu social structure could get all the so called "lower castes" or untouchables to any other religion. Very soon they learnt that conversion doesn't give them any advantage. Once they are converted into any religion the stigma continues, for the religion they converted to still treats them more or less in the same way. That is why Dr.B.R.Ambedkar thought of political action to correct the aberration from within. If he was convinced that Islam or Christianity provide the very needed correction he would have mass-converted all the so called untouchbles to one of these. Why did he choose Buddhism instead? Simple. Buddhism is home grown. There are no extra-national loyalties required. Like concepts that might force one to place religion above the country's good. More than anything else his erudtion taught him that the lasting correction comes from taking the aberration head on within the framework of the parent religion. He chose Buddhism because he wanted to show his unhappiness of what the authority of Scripture could do to free-thinking minds. He chose Buddhism because herein was the principle of peaceful coexitence enshrined. One could question and correct without upsetting or losing the inherent Freedom that, HBJS give an individual. That was possible because he was one of most well-educated individuals that India had at that time.
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@systems (459)
• India
19 Jun 09
There is no caste system mentioned in Hindu Scriptures. Its all made by some group of people for their selfish desires. Please check the Basics of Hinduism in the discussion: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1830508.aspx If u read and understand that first, I can quote some examples and tell about untouchables later..
@krajibg (11923)
• Guwahati, India
30 May 09
HI, Yes I too would mingle my voice with Rampant. Rahila is has intentionally avoided the brighter side of the Hinduism. I am not so much attached to this religious things but when things come down to the fact one should raise to the occasion. Hinduism is basically a "Sanatan Dharma". And one thing that is unique with it is that it has never forced conversion like other religions do. The rest is well explained by Rampant.
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@mathss1 (1181)
• United States
31 May 09
Yeah gr8
• India
30 May 09
First things first, the article by Rahila Gupta is biased. I woulld like to bring something to your kind notice. The religion is not calld "Hinduism". The religion doesn't have a name. It's called the "Sanatana Dharma". Most do not know the significance of the Manu Dharma. Manu was the one who divided people according to their castes. This is called "Varnaashrama Dharma". People were divided into several varnas or castes. You might very well know about the castes. The first, the Brahmans, were expected to lead a simple life. If I were to explain everything related to Varnashrama dharma, that would be beyond the scope of this discussion. In early days, people didn't fight. This divide and rule policy was established first by the Moslems who came to India, next by the British. Now, the sad truth is, people aren't rational enough to understand what the Manu dharma explained. They see only the surface of things. People in India have lost of the ability to think of their own. They are being used as puppets by the politicians. The politicos are making the best use of people's ignorance. They aspire to divide the country per se and have almost been successful. Ignorance is bliss as long as it doesnt mislead others.
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