Should immigration make exceptions?

@dloveli (4369)
United States
June 16, 2009 7:45am CST
On the TODAY SHOW this morning, they had a family of 3 children whose parents were deported for not renewing their visas. So now the oldest daughter 18 is left to raise the children here. The parents are in Mexico. They were discussing that this happens alot. Parents, who's only wrong doing is coming here illegaly, are forced to leave their children here and go back to their country. I understand that rules and laws are put into place for a reason. Shouldnt there be some exceptions? If you have parents, who have lived here for years as productive members of society and they are not legal, shouldnt we help them rather than tear their families apart. I agree that illegal aliens are a big problem in the US. Isnt there exceptions to every rule? What if it was one of your family members? If they committ no crimes and pay their own way? Imagine if it was you and your children were left here to pay their own way and take care of their siblings. Isnt every case different?
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15 responses
@savypat (20248)
• United States
16 Jun 09
I don't want to be hard, but if we were to consider each case on the grounds of humanity the rules just wouldn't stand. Very few of the people who come here illegally come to do any harm, most are just people trying to better life for themselves and their families. If it were a clear case of just applying the laws there wouldn't be a problem, we would have locked boarders like so many other countries in the world.
• United States
16 Jun 09
I agree! If they choose to disregard the law then the law should make no exceptions for anyone who disobeys it.
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• United States
16 Jun 09
I disagree. Most of the things people are saying about immagrants are really selfish. Only send the ones that aren't doing anything back. If there's more people working for us, don't you think it will raise productivity flow? Most of them of are paid lower wages than regular residents.
@chelsit (105)
• United States
16 Jun 09
I am all for the law but who do you think will take care of these kids when there parents are sent home. Some of these children are american citizens, these kids will go into the system where our hard earned tax payer money will be used to feed, clthe and educate them until they turn 18. The law has to allow provisions maybe allow one parent to stay so they can work and provide for there kids or they will become the responsibility of the state and that money will come ut of our pockets. All I am saying is think with an open mind
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@mariposaman (2968)
• Canada
17 Jun 09
You contradict yourself. You say they failed to renew their visas so they came here legally, however if they failed to renew their visas and still stayed here then they remained hear illegally, a small point I know but still germae to the discussion. If the parents came on a visa, how were the children, including an 18 year old, allowed to stay? There are too many inconsistencies in your tale.
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@dloveli (4369)
• United States
18 Jun 09
The parents came here years ago on visas. Instead of renewing them they ignored the fact. Instead they maintained their life here and had children. Needless to say all went well for quite some time. THe children were born here so they are Americans. I think that should clear it up for you. The parents didnt realize the Visa had to be renewed until years after it had expired. So they knew they would have issues now if they tried to renew. It was when immigration was front page news. THey made an example out of anyone with anytype of immigration issue. I do think people should come here legally. However, I think each case is individual.And should've been handled as such. THese people were law abiding , church going, and volunteers as citizens of the US. Hope that clears it up.dl
• Canada
18 Jun 09
Thankyou. It was foolish not to renew the visas. At one time they may have been forgiven. Now however there is seems little motivation to deport the millions of illegal immigrants as it affects the economy. Many are employed and underpaid in what was once termed stoop labour. Unfortunately if all the illegals were in fact deported it would affect the economy as these underpaid labourers are in essence modern day pseudo-slaves with no rights and little compensation for their labours. Americans seem outraged on the one hand at all the illegal immigration, yet on the other hand quick to exploit these usually very poor immigrants. If they had an 18 year old child, they must have been here a long time and must be approaching middle age by now. I think after all this time their lives would be in USA and Mexico might be like going to a foreign country unless they have job prospects and lots of relatives. I think they should have the option of applying to come into the country legally though. Banning them for live seems somehow counterproductive, both to the parents, children and the United States. I am of the opinion though if people engage in repeated criminal activity they should be deported and banned for life. Most countries have enough home grown criminals. However governments tend to pick off the low growing fruit that is easy to find like the above couple and have a poor record of finding and keeping out the criminals as they are harder to find.
@maximax8 (27048)
20 Jun 09
I think the American Immigration Service is known for being harsh. I imagine they stick to their rules and don't make exceptions. I wouldn't make a good immigration officer because I care about people's feelings. If I saw a difficult situation like parents and children being separated I would wish to make an exception. Australia is another country with harsh rules and it isn't keen on illegal immigrants. In Poland so many of the fire service men have moved to England the ladies are having to take over it. Poland has lost many of its skilled workers. Mexico is a lovely country unlike somewhere like a war zone in the Middle East.
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@dloveli (4369)
• United States
20 Jun 09
I feel the same as you. I would feel bad too. In the beginning I felt bad for them. Now after reading some of the responses, I am starting to feel differently. These people have been doing this since it became an issue. They know what could happen. I am now wondering if this was the plan. Have american children so they maybe wont deport us. Only the family knows what they felt. I think the parents were selfish. THey had these children and have now dropped the entire resposibility of raising them to the eldest daughter. WHat about her life? Is it a situation where they sacrifice her happiness and well-being for that of the other kids. How fair is that? I am mixed race, so are my children and my husband is puerto rican. So when I say this its because I know from experiences that my family or myself have had. Alot of times people play stupid and act like they cant speak english. Reason being is so they can say they didnt know. NOT! SHame on them! That poor girl is now forced to clean up the mess of her parents. Nice huh? thanks dl
@Debs_place (10551)
• United States
17 Jun 09
I am sorry but if they are here illegally than they did something illegal. The alternative is sending the children back with them. Of course if they came here on a Visa than they were not here illegally until the visa expired. If they have lived here for so many years than they could have become citizens and avoided the problem.
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@Ithink (6795)
• United States
16 Jun 09
Nope I dont think that there should be any exceptions for anyone that is illegally here in America. In fact I think they should have sent the kids back with them too. They shouldnt have been over here to reproduce anyways. If they are crying the my family is being torn apart, they should have taken them with them. Why do some people think it is fine to break the law to get here?
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• United States
16 Jun 09
I think they should have gotten a chance to renew them, even after expiration. America was founded on immigration. People come here for opportunity and freedoms. It is not right to turn our backs and send them away. There are situations where people come here to cause harm, they should be dealt with on an individual basis. It is never right to seperate a family over a technicality.
• United States
17 Jun 09
Our country was founded on LEGAL immigration, not illegal aliens. The illegal aliens are here illegally. The laws were set in place to protect legal Americans.
@coffeebreak (17820)
• United States
29 Jun 09
Yeah, if they've been here that long... they should have done the right thing and did whatever it takes to get citizenship papers. What part of "responsible" don't they get? THey had the time, they just chose not to do it. Why should there be an acception for that? There is time to pay taxes, and if you choose not to pay them.. what happens? Do you get an exception to the rule cause you have kids or have been in the country for so long? No, you are fried instantly! I get tired of "exceptions" being given to illegal people just cause they came from a less "suitable" country than USA yet citizen's get the book thrown at them.
• United States
18 Jun 09
I'm going to come across as a royal b1tch, but here's my stance on the whole legal/illegal immigration. Those parents came here illegally (to the US) to give birth to their children and make them citizens; if the oldest is 18, why didn't they even TRY to become legal? To plead ignorance of a law that they obviously knew something about is ridiculous....ALL of them should be deported! The parents chose to break the US laws and continue to live here illegally--they should be forced to take care of their younger minor children, and not burden their oldest child like this! Those are some selfish parents! My great-grandparents came here LEGALLY (my great-grandfather prior to World War I; my great-grandmother and four of their children in 1919). They applied for naturalization papers (except my great-aunt Ellen; she was born here in 1926); my grandfather became a naturalized citizen in 1926 when he was 16 years old. He was sworn in as a citizen in 1951 when he was 40 years old! I cannot get benefits here, even when I wasn't working. I am the wrong color; I have too few children (just because I was scared sh1tless after having a 10-lber the first time out); I have a house...we're so busy helping along those who don't live here that we forget our first priority should be the citizens of the USA! Don't even talk to me about helping illegal immigrants...they're the reason I couldn't get the help I needed last year!
• United States
18 Jun 09
Oh, and to answer your question--if there are rules in place, just think if we keep making exceptions? We'll be living in total anarchy! Our society is determined by a set of rules to encompass EVERYONE.
@polachicago (19143)
• United States
17 Jun 09
They should all go home to Mexico. I don't understand the point. Family should be together, so why not in Mexico? They break the law and they knew about possible consequences. Preparation is the key.Family can be united in Mexico, kids are citizens, so they can come to USA when older if they want to.... Also, 18 years old can apply for citizenship for her parents when she is 21... I think that immigration law should be change for people who pay taxes for over 7 years. This is separate issue and should apply for those who entered this country legally with valid passport and visa. Similar regulation is now in many countries and makes sense...
@mgmagana (3621)
• United States
19 Jun 09
i agree about them all going back to mexico...the kids should be granted dual citizenship and live with the parents in mexico and help the parents gain citizenship legally...i would never make a family split up and since they came illegally then let the kids go home with them until they can come back legally. the 18 yr. old can obviously do as they please tho...
@Lakota12 (42794)
• United States
16 Jun 09
Well I think they should have al went back not just the p[arents and they can still go to thier parents if they want too. I cant see the kids being citizens when parents are illeagle . I know this sounds rough but we pay for all thier care when they are born here I think it is unfair to the tax payers!
@Lakota12 (42794)
• United States
17 Jun 09
they have to study for several years to pass the test. adn if green card was running out they should have got it renewed
@twoey68 (13662)
• United States
4 Mar 10
This is where the problem comes in. The parents knew they were here illegally and yet they stayed and had children despite that. Also there is no "tearing families apart", the children could have went back to Mexico with their parents until they could come over legally. The problem is if you start making exceptions, pretty soon everyone wants to stay and our country is overrun. Rather than coming here and being a burden on our country, why not stay in their own and change it to the way they want it. [b]~~IN SEARCH OF PEACE WITHIN~~ **AGAINST THE STORMS, I WILL STAND STRONG**[/b]
• United States
17 Jun 09
Nope. No exceptions. Parents are responsible for their children. Unfortunately, that's the price you pay for breaking the law.
@Poison_Girl (4164)
• United States
17 Jun 09
No, there shouldn't be any exceptions. It's not fair to others and it's not fair to us legal citizens. Why should this or any family get an exception. If they came here illegally, then they need to suffer the consequences. They should have thought of what would happen if they got caught not only before they came here, but before they started a family. And how can you say they didn't commit a crime if they came here illegally? Coming here illegally was their first crime! And even if they didn't come here illegally, they didn't renew their visas. They know what happens if they don't renew them, so why didn't they?
• United States
17 Jun 09
No I do not think so. If persons want to disobey the law they should be punished.
@suzzy3 (8399)
16 Jun 09
Splitting up a family how do these people live with themselves.The law must be changed especially in the parents are working and contributing ,the kids are at school used to their surroundings ,it is heartbreaking.Surely all these parents have to do is renew their visas.It happens in England every know and then,it is always the good people it happens to.
• United States
16 Jun 09
I was a legal immigrant, completed all the paperwork, followed the law and I am now and have been for many years an American citizen. I came to this country with no intentions of breaking the law so I have no sympathy for anyone who come to this country knowing they were breaking the law and accepting all the benefits that they do not deserve. Especially if they have been here a long time and still did not become legally here in this country. They are certainly not a good example for their children showing them how it pays to become a criminal. If they have so much concern about leaving their children behind then they should take the children back with them to wherever they came from.