What are the consequences of the Cash for Clunkers program?

United States
August 7, 2009 10:49am CST
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. The American economy is no different. Every part of the economy is reliant on another part. When our government makes regulations, programs, or laws that affect one area will affect many other areas. What are the consequences of the Cash for Clunkers program? I have written some thoughts on my blog at http://government.brucesmoneyrants.com.
4 responses
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
7 Aug 09
That is right. No one ever mentions that part of things. Not only don't they get the "used car" resales... but what is the clunkers doing to our land fills? How much of that is actually recycled and how much is just dumped in some land fill somewhere. And those are my tax dollars that are paying for the $4500 per clunker... no one ever gave me $4500 to buy a new car.. now I and many others are paying for some to have a new car...I don't care for my tax dollars to be spent that way when there are roads out there that are deathe traps of pot holes and other critically needed repairs needed.. but lets just spend the tax dollars to put more cars on that road instead of fixing it up... at least first. The only thing they are saying this is helping is the envirnoment with the old clunkers off the road... okay fine.. but what about all the rest? Bad roads, more cars and full landfills... vs. less emmissions in the air. Guess they just go for whichever is in the lime light at the moment!
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
7 Aug 09
And I agree with you - I to believe in Creation. Problem is with programs like this... that "the other side of the story" never gets out to the people so they can see it. Betcha none even think about it anyway - they just got free money to get a new car. Period. And since it makes the government look so good to "help" people in need and to boost the current "buzz" situation (save the environment) people just do it. Then when trash fees go up cause the land fills are full and it costs more to get rid of trash these are the people that are going to compain. When the states/govt say there is no money to fix the trashy roads that are causing damage to your cars, these are the people that are going to complain. When the price of scrap metal falls below HE-double-hockey-sticks, causing other things to rise in price... these are the people that are going to complain. Seldom is anything actually FREE. There is always a price... do you want to pay that price or contribute to the fee increase? But the GOvt doesn't want you thinking about that so they say nothing. "He who has the gold, makes the rules"... unfortunately
• United States
7 Aug 09
You are very right, people do not consider the other side of the story. It is not surprising since some people vote based on whether a candidate is "cute" or not. Here is the question I am ponering, With all of their economic advisors, does the administration not see the other side or do they not care?
@coffeebreak (17798)
• United States
7 Aug 09
Oh, I think they DEFINATELY see the other side.. they just push for the side that makes them look so good and great and secure votes for next term. Can't you just hear it now..."Obama gave Americans $4500 free money to help the environment and global warming! Don't we want this to continue? Vote for Obama"... or whoever the president or law maker is at the moment. No one will say "Because Obama spent your tax dollars to give a free $4500 to people to get a car... he filled our landfills, lost the market on recyclable metals and we still don't have decent roads to drive on"...do we want more of this?" They see it, they just hope enough of us don't. You watch... the Rep will bring this up next election of the downfalls of this program and the Dems will play up the goodness of it. In the end, we still have global warming, we still have crappy roads, and some people got free money while the rest of us had to pay for it.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
8 Aug 09
From a personal perspective, it stinks. I'll use my own car and situation for an example. Right now, I have no car payment and I spend about 80 bucks a month in gas. I paid $700 for my car and own it outright. Right now, I plan on running this car untill it costs me more to fix than I paid for it. Let's say I take part in this program. I go and find a place that is willing to finance me (lol, yeh, as if). Let's also say this place is willing to let me make payments as low as $200 a month, for a car that will cost me $65 a month in gas to drive. This boils down to net $185 a month I will now be paying to run a car, compaired to the 80 bucks a month I am paying right now....... where are the savings? In addition, if I turn in this car on this program, it gets destroyed. the dealer cannot fix it up and resell it to someone else as poor as I am, nor can it be "parted out" to fix other cars like it that people are still driving because they can't afford even a decent used one. Less affordable cars availble to the dirt poor, like myself.
• United States
9 Aug 09
xfahctor, I do not know how old you are (have not looked at your profile yet) but you are wise beyond your years. These programs are not made for responsible people like yourselves. They are made for people who drive Cadillac Escalades and live in a trailer park. These people think that they should be able to make every stupid decision and have the government bail them out. The party in power enjoys these programs because people will continue to vote for them because they give them money. Here is a quote you should consider, "the problem with socialism is that you run out of other people's money". I am not sure who originally said it but I heard it on the Neal Bortz show.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
9 Aug 09
I believe it was Margeret Thatcher who said that. As for my age, I have 10 years on you (yes, I looked at your profile, lol). I realize in retrospect your original thread topic was probably dealing with more national consiquences of the program. I see several. I already touched on the shrinking availability of affordable cars for the very poor, like myself. It will also in effect be creating another bubble, we'll call it the "car bubble" What we are now seeing hand in hand with this kash for klunkers program, is dealers offering extra incentives for buyers, expanding fincancing options and extending credit to more. We can expect to see something similar to what we saw in the housing market. It may not have nearly the impact the housing bubble's burt did, but it will be noticed and have a ripple effect both in the auto industry and in the economy in general.
@vinay316 (300)
• India
7 Aug 09
I have gone through your post a very informative and to the point . I liked the way you have covered the topic.
• United States
7 Aug 09
Thank you very much. I wish my short post would have covered the topic. I am working on a follow up. I covered the unintended consequences for the car dealers' standpoint. I did not even start on the recyclers, tow companies, etc.
• United States
7 Aug 09
I read this important point in the newspaper somewhere. They have the clunker for a reason. I'm not saying this is true in all cases, but it probably means they don't have the money for a new car in the first place. Not only will they have a monthly payment, but for a new car your insurance rates skyrockets rather than if you had an older, paid off car. But if they can't afford the monthly payments and insurances payments, what happens next? Not only does their car get repossessed but they are out their clunker. I wouldn't necessarily consider that a consequence for the overall economy or American population but for the person alone. Also I read this somewhere else too but I can't remember where. But people have the $4500 government rebate so they are going to try and get the most fuel efficient cars, and some even with hybrids if that's possible. But what happens when we all rush out to get those? There is a shortage of those models, and the people who can afford them, (not saying this in a mean or derogatory way) but we are taking it away from the people who have the money for these cars. I think in the end there are going to be shortages which means more money to create the cars BUT on the flip side it could mean more jobs in the car industry. Not only that but we may see alot of people riding their bicycles to work, and on the flip side of that less harmful fumes going into the atmosphere. So there is definitely a positive and negative it's not all consequences. But the consequences of these things also may work out for the better in my opinion
• United States
7 Aug 09
Bravo Ashley! I had been focusing on the unintended consequences for private businesses. I had not even considered the consequences for the people buying the cars. It really proves that environmentalist will push their agenda (higher miles per gallon cars) and could care less what it does to people.