Animals eat each other so why shouldn't we eat them?

United States
May 3, 2011 12:05am CST
Benjamin Franklin. Well it does makes sense to me. How about you?
5 responses
@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
12 May 11
That's not actually what he said, according to his autobiography. He was actually vegetarian for much of his life. He was running away from home at the time, leaving Boston, heading for what he thought was going to be New York, which would be his new home. It turned out to be Philadelphia. But the ship was becalmed about halfway there. And so he ran out of provision. And he watched while everybody else was eating fish. They were throwing a line over the side and pulling up the cod and slicing up the cod and having a wonderful fried cod dinner. And Franklin got hungrier and hungrier. And part of his vegetarianism was--you could call it a moral version--where he felt that humans shouldn't eat other animals because they had done no harm to any other creatures. And then he was watching the cook slice open one of these fish and only--and then discovered, to his amazement, that inside the stomach of one of these fish was a smaller fish. Whereupon his hunger and his weakening of his will got the better of him and he says to himself--he's relating this in his autobiography--he says that--sort of speaking to the fish, `Well, if you eat other fish, I don't see why I shouldn't eat you.' So you see, people throughout history have used some of the most ridiculous excuses & "interesting logical arguments" to justify their backward, barbaric filthy old habits. Of course, in this case, the guy was really hungry. Of course, if you wanted to use this line of thinking to use famous people in history to endorse the human consumption of flesh, why not pick Jonathon Swift? During the Irish Famine he published papers explaining to people why it is really very fine & good to kill & eat babies!!! There are a great many reasons why humans should not breed, kill & eat animals. Some off the top of my head include: reasons of animal suffering, environmental impact, saving money, better taste, spiritual aspects, a world hunger solution & of course human health. We were not originally designed to eat animal flesh, raw like animals do, cooked or otherwise. We are not omnivores - our entire make up from our teeth, through to our stomachs, through to our intestines, etc are all very similar to herbivores & humans have bastardized this. We were designed to only take plants as food, as you may see from the earliest points of any scriptures in any of the world's major religions. Nor are we animals, we are humans of the human standard & are here to accompany & teach the animals so they too may evolve to the human standard & beyond. We should not learn from them nor imitate them & their behavior - which is ultimately a reflection of our own messed up behavior.
@vandana7 (98952)
• India
30 May 11
Though personally I dont mind who eats what as long as I am not asked rather forced to eat something I dont like, I am inclined to be anti animal meat, a bit more emotionally, and scientifically than you I guess. Emotionally, I do feel bad that if the chick came and ate the grain off my palm, tomorrow when it grew up, I would cook it and finish that love in a matter of day, as if love was so easy to come by. I have fed chicks and they are simply cho cute. And I have fed new born calf as well, and for whatever reason, its mother didn't kick me or mistrust me. No way can I see myself betraying that trust. That is personal I guess. As to scientific reasons, there are somethings called prions which can play havoc with the nervous system, and be passed on to the next generation as well. What I read about them and the mad cow disease truly makes me think whether all that breeding, killing, storing, and packing of meats is truly worth it. I am a vegetarian by choice. Nobody forced me or brain washed me into it. As per our caste, we do eat non-veg, but in my home, I dont cook non-veg. That said, if dad wants to eat, I have no issues in fetching cooked stuff from outside. I dont mind him eating and I do not keep separate plates and vessels for it.
@vandana7 (98952)
• India
30 May 11
And you mentioned Jonathan Swift, and eating babies. It is appalling. But there was some article sometime ago, where people were contemplating something like that about aborted babies. Gave me nightmare that night.
• Adelaide, Australia
30 May 11
Yes, our history in our short stay upon this earth is not so bright, sadly. Well done for keeping a pure diet even though it is not practiced amongst your caste. It must be difficult to live with. Unfortunately, due to time constraints on this post at the time, I had to keep it brief, but have argued strongly in favour of a plant based diet many times elsewhere - emotionally, logically, scientifically, historically, biologically - wherever the person posting the topic is at. Having said that, I still wasn't aware of prions. I guess we're all here to learn from each other.
@webearn99 (1742)
• India
3 May 11
Animals don't wear cloths but why do we? webearn99. Why in this beautiful world do we need to equate ourselves with animals? We are what we are and animals are animals. If you want to eat animals, go ahead and do it. Justification this way, I think, is a bit far fetched.
• United States
3 May 11
What is wrong with equating ourselves to animals?
@webearn99 (1742)
• India
3 May 11
Nothing wrong, except that personally I look at a more inspiring entity to equal.
@AKRao24 (27424)
• India
3 May 11
Hi Dear Gorillafootprints! As I have responded in one of your previous discussion that in this nature there is always a struggle for existence for every species and in the species between every individual. The survival of the fittest is the basic law of he nature! The powerful species take over the weaker one for their survival! We are also part and parcel of the nature and we also follow the same rule! We are domesticating weak animals for our benefiting like for getting milk, eggs and other products from them and killing them to have the flesh from them for our survival! This is the way the nature has been designed like! Thanks !
@o0jopak0o (6394)
• Philippines
3 May 11
maybe its out of the context. This phrase/quote looks anti-vegan for me.
@asliah (11137)
• Philippines
16 May 11
hi, everything in the world have meaning and destination,as we remember the old age before Christ is born,and human is in the age of stone and fire,animals was there foods to live and to survive,thats why God create them to eat them.
• Adelaide, Australia
28 May 11
I very much disagree; as does the Holy Bible. Animals were never created so that we should eat them. You may read the opening chapters of Genesis again for the account of the creation. Animals were created for our companions & friends & humans were to protect them & exercise wise & benevolent stewardship over them. Both animals & humans were given specific foods to eat which did not include animal products of any kind. This ideal plan is the only arrangement in the entire Holy Bible that God called "good" (or even "very good" in the KJV).