That 800 cal diet is this for diabetes a form of starvation

@suspenseful (40316)
Canada
June 29, 2011 12:09pm CST
When I was young, my father had to go into the hospital for 500 cal. diet because he had trouble losing weight. He was only on it for a week as to do more would have been detrimental to his health and of course, it did not work. Now I hear of a similar diet 800 cal. a day http://www.metafilter.com/104883/Can-extreme-lowcalorie-diet-cure-diabetes but not for just a week but for two months. Now is this not similar to what was done before insulin when they practically starved the children who got juvenille diabetes? And to take this further, would not this lead to those who have the potential and the build that predates diabetes two to have to live on a diet that is of almost starvation levels? So whereas someone else can eat what they want, those who have the tendency of getting diabetes 2 have to live an extremely restrictive diet all their lives? I know when my father-in-law was told only one slice of bread, no this and no that, there was rebellion. So aside from the severity of this diet, and the length of time, would there not be the danger of those who succeeded, actually going on a binge after this? I mean I can understand gradually adding the food like having a piece of cake every two weeks, or getting to the point where you can enjoy a piece of dark chocolate once a day, but never going past the point of normalcy to the point of eating a whole bag of chips in one day, and not knowing when to stop, but this 800 cal diete went for two months.
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@hotsummer (10436)
• Philippines
30 Jun 11
I would need to lose about 40lbs. I don't know how much calories I should be allowed to take every day for one week or so . I know it's like starving yourself when you are in as such limited calorie diets . So I'm thinking if there's another way to losing weight without starving oneself
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
30 Jun 11
That is what I should lose, getting there but it is taking time. And I do a lot of walking. Trouble is I love to write, and when I am writing, I sit and that does not help. A starvation diet to me is more of a punishment diet. And you do not need to go on such a diet to get rid of pre diabetes or diabetes. Cutting out starches, etc and sugars for a short period of time would do it. And of course nuts are good, but have not figured on the amount to have. You also have to consider whether a person ios diabetic or pre diabetic because of the way they put the weight on - always had a large waist, but I also had large hips as well, so that sort of hid the tendency. If you have small hips and you look like a piece of wood, then it is easy to see, but if you are shapely it is not that easy. And an 800 diet I think would be designed as a punishment not as a help. Just cutting out for a whle and introducing them gradually would get your system back on track. That's what I did and it worked. Now all I need to do is to get down to 79 k .
• United States
30 Jun 11
Tally up the average calories you eat in a day. Don't count a day where you have ice cream or eat that extra slice of pizza. Just take a little while to go over what you ate Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Pull the calorie count, add it up, and work out the best average you can. Then you want to trim off the calories accordingly. Knock off 500 for starters. But more than the calories, you should also change the types of foods you're eating. Replacing bad fats with good fats helps to boost your metabolism. Getting rid of junk sugars for complex carbohydrates gives your body slow-burning fuel to use instead of quick-burning fuel which your body then stores as fat when it doesn't need anymore. I would try it with dieting before a heavy exercise regimen, too. It's easy for heavier people to reach their anaerobic state, where the body is burning glycogen instead of stored fat for fuel. Enough physical activity to boost your thermogenic process is plenty. You can get that by jogging in place for 2 minutes and drinking a bunch of cold water.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
2 Jul 11
That for me is impossible since I do not think in calories. I will check those on a package but most of it would be the amount of sugar and sodium since it is those that concern me. And if they have trans fat - then I do not buy them. But I make most of my food, so I would have to get a specific calorie measure to do so or get one of those books and go through all the stuff in my meals= yes eat pasta and casseroles and chili. I find with me it is walking and doing work that burns off much of what I eat, not counting calories. Also there is portion control. Do not look like the Good Year Blimp if that is what you imagine. I am solid build, large bones seven inch around my wrist. The trouble is that even if I lost another 20 lb I would not look skinny. Knees hurt when I jog, but that 45 min. walk every day does help and I do love window shopping.
@funnysis (2619)
• United States
30 Jun 11
I think a diet like that would have long term effects on the body since your body needs the energy and vitamins and other things you get from certain foods and going to long without them can cause other health issues.Maybe stay on it for a week or two and if it does not work you should get with your doctor and see what they suggest as a good healthy way to lose weight.I know there is some people who will do just about anything to be thin.I am happy with myself just the way I am and if I can lose the weight in a healthy way then ok and if not then it will be lost when the time is right.I hope that you have a great day.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
30 Jun 11
Oh get one thing straight, I would never go on it and it is not for me. It is just that my father went on a 500 cal diet and that did not do any good because he went back to eating big meals - no junk food, just a lot of meals and he did have the disadvantage of being allergic to cabbages, broccoli and that stuff. I was just curious because diabetes is in my family and also is in the family of my daughter-in-law who is developing a stomach (although I do hope it is because she is pregnant) yet she is small and slender. But she is also allergic to carrots and celery. So if you have these compounded allergies, wold not a diet like that be worse and would it not have long term effects? I would think so.
@funnysis (2619)
• United States
3 Jul 11
I never meant to imply you would go on this diet just that as a diabetic myself the diet would have bad long term effects but I also understand that each person has different obetacles to get around.I wish you well and have a great day.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
5 Jul 11
I would think that if a person believes he is a diabetic because of eating junk food or made to think that it was his fault, that he would likely do such desperate measures. Someone who is not given the guilt trip would avoid it at all costs and say that if he cuts down a bit, and gradually add healthy is better off. Of course, if a person is allergic to some healthy food as my father was and as my daughter-in-law is, they are at greater risk.
@allen0187 (33125)
• Philippines
30 Jun 11
the diet looks fishy to say the least. i want to know what exactly are the 'liquid diet drinks' that one has to take while undergoing this diet plan. the thing about diet plans is that they have to be approved by a nutritionist and one diet that works for someone may not necessarily mean it will work for others as well. i'm currently going on a general motors diet. here is the link (***THIS IS NOT A REFERRAL LINK***), http://www.livehealthclub.com/newsarticle.php?id=6&title=lose_7_kg_in_5_days&lid=,1,4. i've done the general motors diet three time in the past two months and i have seen the results first hand. i've only had trouble with the day that i had to eat bananas simply because i don't eat bananas at all but managed to have banana smoothies during day 4. i still don't eat bananas until this day but i can live with banana smoothies. anyway, nowadays, i just do days one to three of the general motors diet and then watch what i eat for two days and make sure that i eat healthy and then resume the diet again for another three days. i think its all in the 'conditioning' of the body. once your body is accustomed to the number of calories it takes for a given day, it will adjust accordingly. another thing to consider is not just the calorie intake but how many calories does one's body burn per day. you may have a high calorie intake but if during the course fo the day, you are active and burn up most of it, i think you'll do well.
@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
1 Jul 11
I think they are similar to those diet shakes or those where you put a powder in them or they could be when you put the vegetables and salads into a blender and put it in liquify or go ahead and buy a juicer (yes I do have a blender and a small food processor that the blade has gone), but not a juicer. I intend to get toe Magic Bullet with my points - not going to pay for it so that might work. Oh I know about calories, but what concerns me is the reason for this 800 cal diet. I saw another similar only it was go without breakfast and just coffee and the doctor said it was aimed at diabosity, of those who were diabetic and aso obese 9and looked like it as well), but he did follow it up with sensible. Now for you information, I have no intention of gong on this 800 cal. diet and I never did folow a calo rule anyway because well not that good at math. I would put so much on my plate, allow so much pasta, etc. and so much vegetables and meat and salads, but never would think that 1 quarter pound of lean ground equals so many cals, and if I used two tbps olive oil that would add, - plus the half an onion, etc. I would be tearing out my hair because of that. But I do wonder whether such a diet is mainly a punishment for a person getting so fat and having diabetes in the first place. I mean all I do is to watch my weight, do a lot of walking, and eat sensibly.
@allen0187 (33125)
• Philippines
2 Jul 11
well that makes sense. my concern when i first read about this 800 calorie diet is that it'll be use to promote a specific diet shake or protein drink. that doesn't seem to be the case at all but i still think it is fishy. one of my favorite detox drinks is actually a mixture of pear, apple, and lemon. i put 1 piece of each and blend it. i also add a teaspoon of olive oil and honey to taste. i can go the whole day just drinking this!!! no, i don't count calories, i simply just remain mindful of what i eat.
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@matersfish (6311)
• United States
30 Jun 11
It certainly is a form of starvation. Anything under the 1200 calorie mark is basically starvation mode. The healthy range to lose weight is roughly -500 from your regular diet. Now, of course, a lot of people think that 500 fewer calories would put them into starvation mode, but it's safe to assume that overweight individuals are eating more than 1700 calories per day. As far as diabetes go, I'm not sure one needs this type of fad diet to control it. High levels of glucose in the blood and insulin resistance can be handled with proper diet and exercise. You wouldn't need to starve yourself out; you would need to watch your glucose intake (simple and even complex carbs) and ensure that your metabolism is efficiently burning body fuel instead of storing it. You need to force the balance where your body long quit balancing. "Curing" it seems iffy. It seems to me that it is more than likely a state of maintained balanced and that the symptoms would return should the person's old lifestyle come back into play. But I'm certainly not a doctor. As far as feel as you're staving, however, as in severe hunger pains, you can find foods to avoid feeling hungry. Of course, your body will still essentially slow to a crawl, like a bear in hibernation, after so long on the diet. But popping a few egg whites and other proteins without fat or carbs (where most of your calories come from) will fill you up and give your body something to fuel itself without exceeding the caloric limit. You're right on about the binging. Most people have difficulty losing weight and keeping it off and changing their lifestyle because they're not eating out of hunger in the first place. Starvation diets often end very badly when the dieter not only breaks the plan but binges and ultimately increases the calorie intake. And it's harder to get back after every relapse. Not because the weight-loss formula changes, but because the dieter changes in attitude. The stomach physically shrinks when we don't eat. But people who overeat ignore the feeling of fullness to begin with. They eat until satisfaction, long after necessity is met. I wouldn't suggest an 800-calorie diet to anyone. But that's just me. The low-GI diet is great at handling diabetes. But, hey, if they have the cure over there in the UK, give it a try. Just come out of it gradually, would be my advice.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
1 Jul 11
I think that once one gets the call that they are diabetic that they also have to watch for depression. AFter all, being told that you will be one for all of your life is depression. It is worse then cancer when after you have the cancer taken out, you are told that you are now cancer free. So diet or way of eating that would make you completely cured is all right with me, but not if you have to starve yourself to get it. Now I know that if I eat an egg in the am, and rolled oats, I am less able to get hungry. I do have a low-Gl book, but it is also for those who are allergic to wheat or gluten. And that is not my problem. So you have to watch what kind of cookbooks you get. I have cookbooks with artificial sweeteners, all white stuff, etc. low cal, well I do collect cookbooks. I also think that artificial sweeteners are the wrong way as they kill the hunger feeling. And I found out once I heard the warnng about transfats that the weight did come off. However since it runs in my family, and that is besides being skinny when young so that any weight you get is on your stomach and then it disappears first from your face and legs and arms, so you still have that pouch under your belly or just above your thighs. Not that nice. So what is needed is a way or specific foods or exercises that concentrate on that part of ones's body.
30 Jun 11
I'm not sure about that, but 800 calories is even less than half the regular intake of most people which is 2000-2500 calories a day. You won't survive long term under said diet.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
1 Jul 11
That is what I was thinking. It is a starvation diet something like they had in the concentration camps, and would not a person pig out after they finish it? After all, when you restrict a person, they would go all out, but if one cuts out a little, or eats in moderation, they still lose weight. Mind you the stomach is the hardest, and I do wonder what would they say about those starving children in AFrica who have this big bellies and skinny arms and legs. Would they say that they have diabetes as well?
• Philippines
30 Jun 11
Nowadays with the advent of information technology, we can improve diet and maintain a good health inspite of some genetic problems or health problems. All you need to do is just patient and discipline with yourself. Why patient and discipline? it is because stuff are need to modify and it is not usual way. Nutrition is in need of each everyone because health is depend on it. This so called diet restriction will give unnecessary effects toward health. We have this an alternate way of dieting instead of starvation. I suggest vegetarian diet is the best among of all diet. Why? because in vegetarian way of dieting we can gain lots of advantages from anti-cancer up to anti-diabetes and their is this studies which have been reported that vegetarian dieting will slow down aging process. Not just that anti-cancer, anti-diabetes or even it will slow down aging process but it will effectively lose ones weight. In terms of diabetes, I strongly suggest about the mamordica charantia or shall we called bitter melon or bitter gourd. If you add this bitter melon in your diet then it can help in managing diabetes. In my country this bitter melon is widely accepted as a treatment of diabetes and hypertension. Kindly refer in this site for more information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_melon
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
30 Jun 11
Not for a vegan or a vegetarian diet. Look what it did to the people of Nosh's time. They may have lived long, but the effect on their mental being - turning them into killers, etc. and haters of God was not good. Why I bet Noah and his family had to do a lot of heavy praying to keep from falling into that state, Mind you I do not believe in going carnivore either. A little meat would not hurt as long as it is free range or cattle that are out in the country. Sometimes I think the Native Cree or Sioux , Assinboine, or the other original peoples who live on the reservations have a greater advantage because they are allowed to hunt for deer, and wild game while we have to pay a high price for it in the supermarkets. Exercise does help and cutting down the sweets and the chips does help, but on a 800 cal diet does not.
• Singapore
30 Jun 11
I think that is outrageous. The diet is bound to have detrimental effects on the dieter. I don't think this is the way to lose weight at all. In fact, you are supposed to lose weight gradually. For those diagnosed with a specific medical condition, it is important to understand what are the food they can eat and what they can't, and implement gradual changes to the person's diet. I can understand the rebellion when only given a slice of bread instead of the usual figure. I usually have two pieces a day, but cut down to one. I had a tough time adjusting to it. So there must be a gradual change. 800 calories is starving for someone with a large built. Even for someone with a small built, it is not nearly sufficient. There will be deficiency in nutrients needed for the body. So I would advise against it.
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@suspenseful (40316)
• Canada
30 Jun 11
I am large boned - naturally- took measurement of my wrist. And a diet like that would kill me. I do think there is nothing you cannot eat - although I still would be wary about eating octopus unless it is done right and no one told me there was any in my food. And for cutting down to one slice or bread or the substitute - rolled oats, rye, pasta, etc. would be hard for anyone. And that also means cutting down the potatoes, and other starchy veggies. Living on salads, arigula, spinach, brocolli, and kale although I love them, I would be bored and start hating them. If you cut down, and increase exercise, and drink green tea, that would help. I do wonder if this diet is perhaps a punishment for those who get diabetes two by overdulging and if someone gets it because if it is inherited, that they get a cautionary against it.