The Pope vs. Trump, socialism vs capitalism?

Canada
February 19, 2016 8:27pm CST
I can only speak about the media here, but in the midst of tv reporters going on about how things will effect Trump, there seems to be a theme that they are missing...and to be more exact, I'm surprised that Trump didn't mention it in his defense to the Pope's statement. That is, the Pope is fairly outspoken regarding socialism and against capitalism. Does anyone think that that may have motivated the Pope's statement re. Trump, or implied statement re. Trump? To be honest, since the Pope is outspoken re. this, I think it must have been at least been on his mind...because as many have pointed out, Walls have been made by a few Popes...and maybe worse then mere walls-the Church has made many apologies in recent times. If issues are pushed, and I doubt they will be, it could go into an interesting war of words...especially re. the statement that such a person is "not a Christian." Historically, many Churchmen by that definition *may* not be Christians-and that may be worth pondering for the following reasons... Faith is often used in politics and is in itself a kind of industry-I believe there are sincere ministers (and hope to be found among them), but even in the early Church there were those called "Christ sellers", and more then once we have seen people offering money for ecclesiastical power. Questions about the sincerity of faith, may be helpful...especially since in politics we see people courting "the Christian vote", or other religious groups. What does it mean to be a Christian? And if someone thought they were in the right, and a "real" one, how should they act among others? That is, how should they react among those they thought were the "fake ones"? Aside from Jesus command to love one's enemies and pray for them, I would expect that if someone really believed in the evangel, that they would share that Goodnews as priority, as well as care for the poor. That is not a socialist statement, btw-it's a repeated commandment of Jesus. Historically speaking, at times the Church, in any form or ecclesiastical grouping, hasn't really been good at either of these. Is the Pope right...is Trump right...are they both wrong? In some sense that is what we are saying-at times we are all wrong, and Christian faith is dependent on the Grace of God given in Christ.
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@Mike197602 (13927)
• United Kingdom
20 Feb 16
Personally I think they are both idiots The pope is the boss of an outdated concept...religion. Trump is a total fool with delusions of grandeur....and seriously bad hair. Trump has no idea what the word diplomacy means and the pope has no idea of the destruction his catholic religion is causing in places like africa.
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@pgiblett (6576)
• Canada
20 Feb 16
So that makes Trump a socialist them? Because the office of the Pope certainly supports the capitalist system.
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@Mike197602 (13927)
• United Kingdom
20 Feb 16
If trump is a socialist then I'm a samsung flat screen tv They are both delusional in their own ways in my opinion I think you may agree.
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@pgiblett (6576)
• Canada
20 Feb 16
@Mike197602 I rather like my Samsung flat screen TV, please stop comparing it to that weirdo, it is offended . Trump is a Republican and the last republican, through the bailout, created the Socialist United States of America. Go figure.
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• United States
21 Feb 16
@Mike197602 this is one of the most brilliant things I think I've ever read here on this site! And there is nothing flat screen TV about me!
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@DWDavis (15002)
• Pikeville, North Carolina
20 Feb 16
If one were to place a political label on Jesus, I don't know if Socialist goes far enough. It seems to me he preached an almost pure communism (not like the skewed version espoused by Karl Marx) whereby each would truly contribute according to the best of his or her ability and would only take according to his or her minimal need. However, while Jesus may have sincerely prayed this for humanity, humanity is light-years away from being mature enough to live together in this fashion.
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• Canada
20 Feb 16
I think the term socialist for Jesus would not be accurate, the phrase Kingdom of God is a theocratic statement-how that Kingdom looks in relation to it's members may *appear* a certain way, but there is an essential difference. To seperate the concept from Jesus, it to miss something fundamental-especially since the Synoptic Gospels marry the idea of the Kingdom with the Cross and Resurrection.
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@bluesa (15196)
• Johannesburg, South Africa
21 Feb 16
@HebrewGreekStudies . Oh boy, this was a moment on tv, that is for sure. All I am going to say, is, they are both outspoken individuals...
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@boiboing (12881)
• Northampton, England
20 Feb 16
I'm not a catholic but this new pope is a superstar. I love that he says what he thinks so openly.
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@Shavkat (65887)
• Philippines
20 Feb 16
I go with our Pope.
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@Lucky15 (33687)
• Philippines
20 Feb 16
the Pope has a point, and i getting it :)
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