Sedition in college campuses

@vandana7 (99009)
India
March 18, 2016 9:44pm CST
I was listening to what are essentials for sedition...as per Indian laws Assembly in public places...well college campus does not qualify as one... Shouting slogans ....whatever they are...do not amount to sedition ...as per previous judgments. That does not count as sedition!!! Oh really!!! Come on........... When that marketing initiative screams at you regularly don't you look for the product? Shouting of slogans can change the way people think ...like chanting some holy words... I think any remark that is in any way derogatory in respect of the country should be treated as sedition Irrespective of where it is uttered Irrespective of who utters it.. Because in the end it incites people, causes loss of man hours, property, pollution because Indians want to burn somethings, heat, and of course it can lead to death of a citizen. We need to get our laws straight on this.
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@TheHorse (206809)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Mar 16
When people start burning things, I think they've gone beyond what "free speech" allows.
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
19 Mar 16
If it incites that too...the speech should be labeled as worth curtailing.
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
19 Mar 16
@TheHorse ...Here they want to scrap "sedition laws"..
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@TheHorse (206809)
• Walnut Creek, California
19 Mar 16
@vandana7 Here in the US, the First Amendment doesn't protect overt hate speech or inciting a riot. At least that's how I understand it.
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@LadyDuck (459635)
• Switzerland
19 Mar 16
Laws need to be updated and changed, as the world has changed, particularly in the more recent years.
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
19 Mar 16
Yes, and there should be some uniformity too across the world..
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
19 Mar 16
@LadyDuck ...but don't you think it is time...we had something of the sorts?
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@LadyDuck (459635)
• Switzerland
19 Mar 16
@vandana7 I fear that we will never see uniformity across the world. Even the different states in the United States have different laws same here in Europe, every single state has different laws.
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
19 Mar 16
Unfortunately this cannot be accepted at least here in India. Simple logic and very recent past few elections campaigns testify of this fact. We all know, today's politics and seats cannot be won unless we do make such statements. This is the reason, "shouting slogans" cannot amount to any form of sedition. our laws are quite straight, the people who matter know that these are as straight as the jalebis(also known as Zulbia). Now, as I do not like these jalebis, I do not like either - the laws or even such people. But then, jalebis are a loved delicacies for millions
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
19 Mar 16
They are good for constipation if you must know...for some strange reason, your bowel movement will improve if you eat those.
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
19 Mar 16
@thesids ..Yeah...Jalebi is the culprit..lol
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@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
19 Mar 16
@vandana7 Now I know better why our India is in such bad shape and even why our PM realized this and set up the ToDo - Swachch Bharat and also the toilet abhiyaan
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• Preston, England
19 Mar 16
sedition can be anything the people in power would rather we didn't do say or think
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
19 Mar 16
But if it involves the name of the country and anything negative about it, I would say it is sedition.
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
19 Mar 16
@arthurchappell ...Criticise the government...why the country? Like ...xyz country down down...is that ok? xyz country will be broken into pieces? Is that ok? I don't think so...at least not to me..
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• Preston, England
19 Mar 16
@vandana7 people should have every right to criticise how their country is being run if they don't like it
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• United States
19 Mar 16
I think shouting is not necessary, though one should be free to do it out in a place, certain places I guess. Change never comes if one is too quiet. I prefer to stay out of the limelight and quietly change things as I can. If someone shouts in my ear, I will make sure they do not do it again lolz
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
19 Mar 16
We now have beautiful thing called social media for asking those changes. Why must we shout...I agree..sloganeering is not correct way of going with it. Instead, appealing to others reasoning is.
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• United States
19 Mar 16
@vandana7 Yes one must be tactful and diplomatic. I think? haha but from what I have seen, some do accomplish desired changes by being bold. Social media is wonderful for changes.
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@YuleimaVzla (1505)
• Maracaibo, Venezuela
20 Mar 16
Well, I could tell you many things about sedition and conflict in my country with the mass media and that attempts to hide many things the world ... Venezuela has been so many commotions, because while there is still freedom of expression in our Constitution says and protects the right of people to express peacefully including slogans, marches, street demonstrations without violence.
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
20 Mar 16
People in my country are not smart enough to know the meaning of the word "peace"...when asked to do something peacefully ...they look for "pieces"...SMH.
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• Maracaibo, Venezuela
20 Mar 16
@vandana7 In my country we have always had to fight our independence ... the first verse says: Glory to the brave people who threw the yoke! ... Then I say that sometimes the people in revolt are tired and unfortunately fall into violence ... we live here always calm, but when the voice should be lifted there are all the patriotic feeling.
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@artemeis (4194)
• China
20 Mar 16
You do understand that if the authorities are going to stop everybody when the demonstrations get vociferous with sensitive slogans and words then it would not be logical. I believe they need to determine to a certain degree of threat before they can call sedition and act on it to curb the impending threats that could affect the peace or national security. Otherwise it could be seen as the incumbent being tyrannic and non democratic. Even if sedition is called for, the law has to follow established protocols to avoid any escalated altercations. So the call here is rather circumstantial and one I would say a difficult call.
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@artemeis (4194)
• China
20 Mar 16
@vandana7 I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you partially on the other two which were deemed anti-national and seditious in nature. I believe it would be acceptable and not seditious if there are facts to support the what is being said. I'm sure there is really nothing wrong when there are facts of actual event to support it. Like Beijing is very polluted and very poor air which is both supported scientifically and physically. So there is nothing seditious when someone uses this to refute some arguments that Beijing is an ideal place to stay or retire.
@vandana7 (99009)
• India
20 Mar 16
Oh I do agree. But as I mentioned somewhere...if they say a political party down down, it is acceptable. If they say a member of the political party down down it is acceptable. But if they say xyz country down down..it is not acceptable. If they say xyz country will be broken into pieces...it is not acceptable. The first two are freedom of speech, the other two are anti-national and seditious in nature.
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@moondebi (1199)
• Bangalore, India
21 Mar 16
I do not understand why a same crime will get different judgement on the basis of locations where it has taken place.
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
21 Mar 16
Obviously judges also differ in their way of thinking..lol
@PainsOnSlate (21854)
• Canada
19 Mar 16
I will admit I had to look up sedation to find out what you were talking about. by the time I got to the bottom i think I knew but now I do know you are talking about discontent. We have had lots of noise on our campuses and you can see the craziness going on with Trump followers in the US. There are laws, but free speech is one of them here as long as they don't incite riots. The riots follow most of the time. Its not pretty or healthy but it happens.
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
19 Mar 16
Riots are bad...in India they burn bus tires..which causes a lot of pollution..and it burns for longer as well...buses are burnt automobiles are burnt...anything that leads to such agitations should be termed seditious and those uttering such things should go behind the bars for life. But it does not happen. One of the Kashmiri now a journalist recalls that when he was young it was simple slogans and banners before it became something for militant groups. I do agree on power of chanting, sloganeering, banners, etc.
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@JudyEv (326275)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 Mar 16
Authorities seem to find it hard to agree on some of these laws.
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
19 Mar 16
Yes...but laws needed to be changed too. When laws were framed youngsters were not participating in politics, voting age was 21 so most would be graduates by the time, and not in college campuses. Now, 18 years old can vote. So relevant laws should change too.
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@RussTeed (1498)
• United States
20 Mar 16
If you are waiting for leaders or politicians to get it right, you may be in for a long wait.
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
20 Mar 16
Yes, I know...:(
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@yashvino (91)
• Ahmedabad, India
21 Mar 16
I feel you..getting laws straight is very difficult in a democracy like ours..And that too with a population like ours..Australia was were strict with carbon emissions and pollution laws..China was strict with innumerable things..But India has too many of those selfish so called humanitarian NGOs and societies and individuals that laws become a joke now...Can you believe that they got a signed document in favor of that particular incident from many world renowned institutes..We really need to Wake Up now...
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
21 Mar 16
I am not sure the US first amendment as Pony has pointed below would allow XYZ country down down, XYZ country bad bad, XYZ country should be broken into pieces... Have a problem with policies? Address the slogan on the policy... Have a problem with government? Address the slogan on the government... Have a problem with minister? Address the slogan on the minister But saying it about a country whether mine or another person's is sedition alright. How can those guys sitting there in those chairs as judges qualify as judges if they can't distinguish such simple thing. And when our sedition laws were passed, voting age was 21. So college campuses did not qualify because such things were not possible in the campus. But with voting age having been reduced to 18, college campuses should be included for considering any seditious stuff. Merely because relevant laws were not amended because of oversight does not mean that such things are alright in college campuses. Vanny's judgment. lol.
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@vandana7 (99009)
• India
21 Mar 16
@yashvino ...Unlike in the US..folks here like to hide what their children are doing...first the nation, then the children that should be the rule..it is opposite here.
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• Ahmedabad, India
21 Mar 16
@vandana7 Yes, Your Honor...lol... I am thinking, why are the parents of all those students quiet?? Didn't they teach their kids anything basic about what is right and what is wrong??
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• New Delhi, India
27 Jun 16
Kanhaiya kumar that sorry to say BC** who was shouting slogans against India in India & our political parties support him as a national hero. Shame... Shame...