Put up your Dukes!

@JudyEv (325385)
Rockingham, Australia
December 8, 2016 7:53am CST
I wrote recently about strange phrases that English speakers might use but which might sound very strange to someone for whom English is not their first language. 'Put up your dukes' came to mind as a suitable caption for this photo of new bracken shoots about to open up. Put up your dukes means put up your fists ready to defend yourself. Although it seems the answer isn't certain, it is believed that rhyming slang used 'dukes of York' instead of 'fork' which in itself was slang for 'hand' or 'fist'. The other one I was pondering was 'wrong end of the stick'. If you have a weak stomach, stop reading now. One explanation is that before toilet paper was invented and in the days of communal toilets, a sponge tied to the end of a stick was used to wipe yourself after defaecation. You might ask your neighbour to 'pass the stick' and woe betide you if you grasped the wrong end.
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@moffittjc (118365)
• Gainesville, Florida
9 Dec 16
I have heard of both phrases, and knew exactly what 'put up your dukes' meant, but I never knew the origin of 'wrong end of the stick.' Thanks for enlightening us with the explanation.
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
Did you mean that? The enlightening bit?
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@moffittjc (118365)
• Gainesville, Florida
9 Dec 16
@JudyEv Very enlightening! I certainly wouldn't ever want to grab the wrong end of that stick, so you definitely have opened my eyes to what I should be on the lookout for! haha
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
@moffittjc I would have thought maybe you'd rather not know anything about it.
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@LadyDuck (457412)
• Switzerland
8 Dec 16
Oh my goodness, the one of the sponge is really gross.
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@LadyDuck (457412)
• Switzerland
9 Dec 16
@JudyEv As you can see from this picture from a history book, the ancient Romans were so much advanced also in this "field", running water available where the toilets were.
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
@LadyDuck We visited the site of a Roman mansion somewhere in England and they had excavated the remains of the toilet area. It basically looked just like your picture. Thanks for this.
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
Thank heavens for modern plumbing - and toilet paper. :)
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@Bluedoll (16774)
• Canada
9 Dec 16
The first one was regal but oh my the second. I never knew what I was saying before but now I do.
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@Bluedoll (16774)
• Canada
9 Dec 16
@JudyEv Here I say yeah right never knowing what that actually means. ha ha
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
@Bluedoll Well, you know now!
@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
Oh well, I guess there are plenty of other words and sayings that you can use. Just be careful not to get the wrong end of the stick!
@BelleStarr (61047)
• United States
9 Dec 16
Oh yuck and I mean sharing a sponge as much as passing the stick, Yuck, yuck yuck lol
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
I'm glad I've shaken you out of your comfort zone!
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@jaboUK (64362)
• United Kingdom
8 Dec 16
Oh sheesh Judy! Too much information on the second one!
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
8 Dec 16
You're all providing me with a lot of laughs here.
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@Jessicalynnt (50525)
• Centralia, Missouri
8 Dec 16
the thought of sharing a stick is.... awful
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
8 Dec 16
It was swished in water between uses.
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
@stbrians I guess maybe there weren't many sponges.
@allknowing (130067)
• India
9 Dec 16
No more for the day Judy that sponge thing is truly revolting. I had an Ango Indian friend who would use the phrase 'visiting Aunty Jane' whenever she had to go to the restroom.
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@allknowing (130067)
• India
9 Dec 16
@JudyEv The express delivery is hilarious
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
A friend of ours used to say he was going to post a letter (or parcel) when he went to the restroom and there is now a group of us who use these terms. Sometimes we have an express delivery to make!
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
@allknowing I don't know why we can't all just say 'we're going to the toilet' or whatever. Mostly we do
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@topffer (42156)
• France
8 Dec 16
For what I know the stick and the sponge have only been used by the Romans, so I have a doubt about this explanation. We have an expression "to put yourself on the right end of the stick" meaning to choose the stronger side, where the stick is supposed to be any any tool, like a pick, a shovel or a hammer, that one should better handle by the right end. It might be the same origin for the English expression.
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
I knew the Romans used a stick and sponge. My research did say it was a possible explanation but you could well be right.
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@amadeo (111948)
• United States
8 Dec 16
I will pass on this.Do not like the look of it.
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
8 Dec 16
Fair enough. Have a nice day. :)
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@DaddyEvil (137145)
• United States
14 Dec 16
I don't normally consider my stomach to be weak, but that is just disgusting, Judy! A handful of nice fresh leaves would seem to be preferable to using a sponge on a stick and passing it around!
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@DaddyEvil (137145)
• United States
17 Dec 16
@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
14 Dec 16
Glad I upset you!
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@Inlemay (17714)
• South Africa
8 Dec 16
eeeeeeeek what a thought - grabbing the wrong end of the stick!!! eeeeewwwwwww
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
8 Dec 16
Doesn't bear thinking about really. :)
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• United States
8 Dec 16
Both phrases are familiar to me and I knew the put up your dukes meant fists and fight but I never knew that the explanation of wrong end of the stick. ewwwwww
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
8 Dec 16
I'm getting a few 'ewwww's in the comments!!
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• Eugene, Oregon
9 Dec 16
Well now, I never knew the back story on those sayings. I would wish to avoid either end of that stick if possible. "Put up your dukes" was familiar too, but I thought if a person had two John "Duke" Wayne puppets, they could just hold those up. (Lame)
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
I think rhyming slang is responsible for a few strange sayings.
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@just4him (305561)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
14 Dec 16
Now that last is interesting. I never would have associated that with the bathroom.
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@just4him (305561)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
14 Dec 16
@JudyEv I don't want to.
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
14 Dec 16
I'd never really thought about what they might do.
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@youless (112100)
• Guangzhou, China
9 Dec 16
I am the one who will make a huge mistake in it since my first language is not English Perhaps you can understand why sometimes I can't respond to some discussions because I have no idea about them at all. Besides the language itself, sometimes I also don't know much more about the local culture, too.
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@youless (112100)
• Guangzhou, China
9 Dec 16
@JudyEv That's very kind of you
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
I can understand your dilemma. It is a shame if the discussion is totally beyond you. Do you ask for an explanation sometimes? I'd be happy to explain something if you have trouble with my discussions.
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@shaggin (71659)
• United States
10 Dec 16
Oh my god the meaning behind wrong end of the stick is so gross! So they shared the sponge? That would easily spread disease!
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@shaggin (71659)
• United States
13 Dec 16
@JudyEv lol me either
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
12 Dec 16
I guess it did. I don't want to think about it any more!!
@epiffanie (11326)
• Australia
11 Dec 16
eww! to the last part of your discussion .. lol ... and thanks for sharing with us another one of those strange phrases .. ;)
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
12 Dec 16
Glad you enjoyed the post - sort of! :)
@Jackalyn (7559)
• Oxford, England
14 Dec 16
I have never heard anyone say "put up your dukes" so that is a new one on me and I have mashed the tea and sold buns in Yorkshire. As a child, I climbed the apples and pears to the land of nod and lost things were up in nanny's room under the wallpaper.
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
15 Dec 16
Rhyming slang is so interesting isn't it? A lot of it has migrated to Australia too - or at least some.
• United States
9 Dec 16
a sponge'n a stick??? i think i'll forgo supper tonight, lol.
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 16
Haha. I've struck a nerve with many people with this one.
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@DianneN (246334)
• United States
13 Dec 16
I knew the first idiom, but not the second, thankfully. Disgusting!
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@JudyEv (325385)
• Rockingham, Australia
14 Dec 16
Very disgusting!
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