Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

@1creekgirl (13053)
United States
February 12, 2017 2:32pm CST
We in the United States have a new administration in Washington, DC. Whatever else America does, if we turn our backs on Israel, we will face the wrath of Almighty God. My husband is a Certified Lay Speaker in the United Methodist Church and preached at our church this morning. His message was "The 'Promised' Land", the land that God gave to Abraham and his descendants. Others have tried to claim Israel for centuries, but God Himself gave it to the Jewish people. God promised in the Holy Bible that he would bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel. (Genesis 12:3.) One of the reasons our nation has been blessed by God is because we have stood with Israel and the Jewish people. We must not forsake Israel and God's chosen people. We do so at our own peril.
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• Canada
13 Feb 17
Theologically there is a fair amount of confusion on this subject, and in part it is because of an incomplete reading of the Old and New Testaments-this confusion typically extends in 2 manners, one either saying Israel and the Jewish people are not important and the Church replaces them-or 2., people saying Israel and the Jewish people matter to the point where all else are excluded. Both extremes are wrong. One must remember, the Church was first made up of Jewish believers, believing in the Jewish Messiah-and when the New Testament speaks of the conversion of Gentiles, it does so within the context of them being Grafted into Abraham's root (St. Paul even uses a Jewish term for conversion where a Gentile is said to be "born again" and becomes a "son of Abraham"-as Christ says to Nicodemus as well). Theologically speaking, the base of judgement is how one responds to the Messiah being the true Israel of God, both physically and spiritually-as St. Paul says, the promise was made to the Seed and not "seeds" (major theme in Galatians). An example of this would be, in St. Paul's thought, Herod the King was NOT the Messiah or the ruler of Israel, but rather Jesus was-so it is how one responds to Jesus which is the blessing or cursing. It is in that that the promise holds, and both replacement theology (those who say the Church is the "new" Israel") and those who hold to the Exaultation of the Jewish ppl simply because they are Jews are both incorrect. That said, the New Testaments thoughts on the country of Israel, and the Jewish people? The thought is complex. And even though in Romans Paul does spiritualize much, in Romans Physical Israel is still Israel-it IS important, and Paul says that we who are grafted in must also remember the familiar ties, and that when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, all Israel shall be saved, and Paul calls them blessed because of the Patriarchs. We are commanded kindness. We are commanded humility, and St. Paul even said to his Gentile converts that they had responcibility to provide for the Jerusalem poor. And though Paul speaks of the Jerusalem above and the Israel of God, he still very much would point out the still choseness of the Jewish people, that they were not cast off, since he himself and the Apostles were Jews. We as Christians, can never forget this-yes, the land, the language, the people, are the family of Avraham, and are still important, and in showing kindness, we show kindness to the family of Avraham, which is also physically speaking, the family of Christ.
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@1creekgirl (13053)
• United States
13 Feb 17
My, that is a great explaination of the Holy Scriptures. Thank you!
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• Canada
13 Feb 17
@1creekgirl you are welcome, and the Lord's blessing upon your husband's ministry:)!
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@1creekgirl (13053)
• United States
18 Feb 17
@HebrewGreekStudies Thank you. He feels blessed to have the privilege of proclaiming God's Word.
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@stbrians (15899)
• Kakamega, Kenya
14 Feb 17
You raise a very complex point here. Did that promise have some hidden meaning?
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@1creekgirl (13053)
• United States
14 Feb 17
God chose the Jewish people to bring the promised Messiah, Jesus Christ. He is the Savior of all who will believe in him. No one is beyond his forgiveness and love.
@Madshadi (9029)
• Brussels, Belgium
12 Feb 17
Sorry that doesn't seem right. I'm sure God does not agree with the injustice done against the Palestinians in his name. We should be very careful how we read our scriptures and not to use them to cause injustice to others. No religion should work like that. I pray for peace in Jerusalem for all its people, not only Jews.
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@1creekgirl (13053)
• United States
12 Feb 17
Of course. God loves everyone, but the Jewish nation are His chosen people. It's written in the Old Testament.
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@Madshadi (9029)
• Brussels, Belgium
12 Feb 17
@1creekgirl I do not claim to be an expert in the Bible , other than what I read online, and I do not think that it should be used to support injustice. But I do feel obligated to point out that God favored a historic people (that have no proven link to today's Jews or Israelis by the way) but He also gave them commandments. His favoring of them and His promise to them was conditional on them following those commandments. Today's Israelis are not only a different people, but Israel is also a secular state and not the kingdom of God as described in the Bible. The majority of the Israelis are not religious either. The Israeli government committed countless crimes against Palestinians. The Israeli leader has an international reputation of being a liar (there goes "Tho shall not lie"). So when we read the scriptures, we should be very careful to get them in the right context and to understand God's massage accurately.
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• Canada
13 Feb 17
@Madshadi you are correct, and MUCH of the Old Testament is the prophets critisizing the Kings for their injustice-with the idea that God as the real King, requires justice, and Israel being His tenant and servant, does not give anyone a free pass for injustice-the prophet Amos says the exact opposite. At no time does supporting Israel mean winking the eye at certain things, love and support does not work that way, and Christians must be careful to make this distinction, as in Israel even certain Christian charities and churches will be fire bombed by Heredim and will be harassed. That is one of the promises of the Messiah, who would bring justice not simply to Israel, but also the entire world-that is why we call the "Gospel" the Gospel (Goodnews), because it was the promise of God's Kingdom being established-and Christ came not only for physical injustice, but also the very concept of sin. The King we look for, which we support, is the Messiah-that is the One of the Promise, according to the New Testament and the Old.
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@pureme (1477)
18 Feb 17
As for me, the little understanding I have about this discussion is that, these Jewish people have been blessed right from the beginning, but the blessings has been extended to the whole world. The fact still remains that they have been blessed and whosoever God bless, no one can cause, except they dip their hands into sin.
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@TRBRocks420 (86105)
• Banks, Oregon
12 Feb 17
Amen my friend Israel should be protected, like our own home.
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