Should I call CPS on this woman?

@TheHorse (205805)
Walnut Creek, California
May 8, 2017 12:27pm CST
I'm worried about a kid I used to work with. Actually both her and her little brother. They were both kid clients when I worked as a child psychologist at a residential mother-and-child drug rehabilitation facility in Oakland. The little girl was 3 1/2 to 6 when I worked with her. The little boy was 0 (born with us) to 2 1/2. I taught the little girl to read and do math. I got the little boy started on piano. When we were at the program, the mother totally ignored her daughter, and gave all of her attention to her son, as he was the key to "keeping" her lover at that time. It didn't work. She's never worked, and now has a third child by a new man. When I worked with this family, her daughter was rebellious toward her, but was an angel with me. All she needed was positive attention. The mother eventually put the daughter on ADHD medicine, which she did not need. When I recently spoke with the mom, she was evasive. She spoke glowing of her latest baby, and didn't mention her daughter, except to say that she was "bad," and "didn't listen." I offered to take the older kids hiking, and she stonewalled me. I don't think she wants the daughter (with whom I was very close--basically a dad) to tell me what her/their living conditions are like. I am tempted to call CPS and have them do a "check up" on the family. I don't know if there's any CPS involvement right now. But another part of me wants to keep my nose out of things and tell myself I did all I could for this family. What would you do?
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@DianneN (246905)
• United States
8 May 17
Whenever you have a doubt, act on it. We did exactly that at our school. As it turned out, we were always right.
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@vandana7 (98834)
• India
9 May 17
Yeah gut feelings are often right.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
8 May 17
Yep, that's what I worry about. In my heart, I think this kid is getting neglected. At least.
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@DianneN (246905)
• United States
8 May 17
@TheHorse Please call.
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@RasmaSandra (73473)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
8 May 17
Kids cannot protect themselves. If you are really worried here is a link I found perhaps this might be the answer
You suspect a child is being abused or neglected and you don't know what to do. You may want to stay anonymous because of fear of reprisal or a connection to the family. However, the first concern should always be the welfare of the child....
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
8 May 17
As a mandated reporter, I've made several "anonymous" calls over the years, asking if there was enough there to file a report. Usually the answer is no. I would love for the school to be contacted, just so they can keep an eye on the older child, but I would want to follow the proper protocol. I don't know what school the child goes to, but even if I did, I'd go through CPS first.
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@LadyDuck (458230)
• Switzerland
9 May 17
If you feel that there is something wrong, do a favor to that poor young girl, call the CPS.
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@LadyDuck (458230)
• Switzerland
9 May 17
@TheHorse I pity that poor girl, is not funny when your mother prefer your little brother and do not care at all about you.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
11 May 17
@LadyDuck Yes. This was beyond "slightly favoring the younger child." The mom wouldn't validate the older child for anything.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 May 17
I tried, but couldn't get through. I will try again.
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@MALUSE (69413)
• Germany
9 May 17
Do you think that members from all over the world know what CPS means? Well, I don't. People whose native language isn't English rarely understand abbreviations.
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@MALUSE (69413)
• Germany
9 May 17
@TheHorse Obviously, you're smarter than me when it comes to abbreviations in a foreign language. As I don't live in an English speaking country, I rarely get them.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 May 17
I thought they might get it by context. It's Child Protective Services, now known as Children and Family Services (CFS) in some areas.
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@sallypup (57914)
• Centralia, Washington
8 May 17
You've dealt with these cases for a long time. It sounds like your inner Wise One is telling you to call CPS.
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@sallypup (57914)
• Centralia, Washington
8 May 17
@TheHorse Emotional abuse is the worse. Not a scratch on the kid but a huge deep bruise on her soul. Poor little thing.
@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
8 May 17
Yes, at east to get advice. Usually they say there's nothing they can do right now. But I would love to have her teacher "keep an eye on her."
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@Courtlynn (66921)
• United States
8 May 17
Although its bad that the daughter is fine with you but not her own mother, i dont see any neglect in this post. As most parents give more attention to their youngest than their oldest. Because with them being so young. They need eyes on them most the time. Not so much a 6 year old.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
8 May 17
The same pattern was present when the child was three. It seems the mother does not like the child.
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@Courtlynn (66921)
• United States
8 May 17
@TheHorse still doesnt seem like neglect. But if you feel a way, do something.
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• Eugene, Oregon
9 May 17
@Courtlynn I would report for at least a check up on that child.
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@freak369 (5113)
• United States
8 May 17
There is a huge difference between the east and west coast when it comes to child related cases. I've seen kids removed for the stupidest reasons and the kids / parents that do need help get stuck in a perpetual circle.
@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
8 May 17
Where are you? I'm on the West Coast. I tried to contact CPS today just to discuss the matter anonymously. I couldn't get through.
@dodo19 (47082)
• Beaconsfield, Quebec
9 May 17
This is definitely a hard situation. I probably would call. All this girl needs is some positive attention and not be ignored. It can't hurt to call and find out.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 May 17
Rght. I have no idea whether her teachers are providing it for her or not. She's bright. Her mother (I hate to say it) is not.
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@dodo19 (47082)
• Beaconsfield, Quebec
21 May 17
@TheHorse Every child needs some positive attention and parents should be able to give that to their kids. It is not right that this girl's mom isn't doing it.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
22 May 17
@dodo19 i don't really know why she does not like the child. Maybe it has to do with the father, who I never met.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
9 May 17
A "check up" wouldn't be bad. But the mom would probably know who put that in motion. So, I probably wouldn't so I could at least have some interaction with the children. But, then if something major happens I would keep CPS as an option. If only you could get to the little girl and see how bad things are. When I was younger I knew of a woman who just kept getting new boyfriends and would get pregnant with each so her welfare check would go up. Back then that is how they worked. The more kids the more money. Child support wasn't like it is today.
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@celticeagle (159105)
• Boise, Idaho
9 May 17
@TheHorse .....They just give you a certain rate. I don't think it goes up with each child.
@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 May 17
I haven't researched it. How is it different today?
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 May 17
@celticeagle I really should research welfare reform. I've known women who said they did the same thing. But I don't know how it works. I think this woman has babies to "keep a man." But it didn't work with baby #2, whom I had a big role in raising early in his life.
@prinzcy (32322)
• Malaysia
8 May 17
Can the CPS do anything if there's no physical abuse?
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@Courtlynn (66921)
• United States
8 May 17
Cps isnt just for physical abuse. Its for neglect as well.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
8 May 17
@Courtlynn That's what I'm thinking as well.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
8 May 17
Neglect constitutes abuse. I sense emotional abuse. But that's hard to prove.
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@jstory07 (134477)
• Roseburg, Oregon
9 May 17
Maybe you should call CPS just to make sure those kids are ok.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 May 17
I tried (call volume high; can't take your call at this time) and will try again.
@LeaPea2417 (36451)
• Toccoa, Georgia
9 May 17
I would call. The child does seem like she is neglected.
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@LeaPea2417 (36451)
• Toccoa, Georgia
10 May 17
@TheHorse Oh, goodness, I hope that is not the case.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
11 May 17
@LeaPea2417 So do I.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 May 17
I'm also worried that she might be "a part of the bargain" with the mom's latest lover, though I have no specific evidence to support that.
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• Eugene, Oregon
9 May 17
It sounds to me like a check up is needed. The child may be at risk.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 May 17
She's definitely at-risk .But is she experiencing anything beyond garden variety poverty? I don't know. I called CPS but was unable to get through. The call volume was too high. If she gets raped or murdered, I'll be a tad miffed.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 May 17
@JamesHxstatic Maybe I'll try again.
• Eugene, Oregon
9 May 17
@TheHorse At least. Maybe call early in the day?
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@nanette64 (20364)
• Fairfield, Texas
9 May 17
"When in doubt, find out". I would be very concerned @TheHorse . I have a feeling that the little girl is not doing well.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
11 May 17
Sadly, I think you're right.
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@GardenGerty (157555)
• United States
9 May 17
If you call and things are okay, then no harm done. If you call and things are not okay you may save a life. Trust your gut.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 May 17
I still haven't called again, as I was disappointed that I couldn't get through the first time. But I will.
@marsha32 (6631)
• United States
9 May 17
Sounds like you are right to worry about the well being of children that you grew to love.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 May 17
Exactly. I actually talked about this case in Clinical Supervision this morning, even though the case was with a different agency. It was therapeutic to do so.
• United States
9 May 17
I would have already called..why hesitate?
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 May 17
I tried, but couldn't get through.
• United States
9 May 17
I'd say follow your gut (it's rarely wrong)
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
21 May 17
I still haven't tried calling again. But I will.
@JESSY3236 (18923)
• United States
9 May 17
That's a hard decision. Because people can lie and get away stuff. But I think I would call.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
10 May 17
I will call again. If I still can't get through, I will tell myself I did all I could.
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@Dena91 (15874)
• United States
8 May 17
I believe you should go with your gut. If you feel something is off, call. You had evedience she wasn't being a good Mom towards her when you worked with them. Our intuition is there to help us make the right choices. Prayers.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
8 May 17
Thanks! I'll send the prayers off to the kids.
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@Dena91 (15874)
• United States
9 May 17
@TheHorse It's a hard situation to be in. I know for me personally, if I felt a child was being neglected I would have to step in for that child because they can't or won't always speak up for themselves. As a kid who was neglected and abused in her childhood, I didn't want to get mother in trouble but I wanted her to stop hurting me and my brother. I just didn't know who to talk to about what was going on. Of coarse being a kid in the 70's, times were much different then than they are now. I admire you for the work that you do with kids. It's rewarding and heartbreaking. Thank you for what you do. I know that I could not do what you do as I am 100% sure I'd be in jail for being aggressive towards parents who are neglecting or abusing their children. I have zero tolerance for that.
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@TheHorse (205805)
• Walnut Creek, California
9 May 17
@Dena91 I have to work with the parents' issues too. Most of them were abused or neglected. I admire those who are able to "break the cycle."
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