Jail as a Retirement Plan?

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Laguna Woods, California
March 19, 2018 3:49pm CST
I read today on the FiveThirtyEight Newsletter that one in five women in Japanese prisons are senior citizens. They are intentionally committing minor crimes so they will go to jail and find "community and stability." In doing research for my Baby-Boomer-Retirement.com blog, I continually have read that Baby Boomers are not doing a good job of preparing for retirement. Many people will need to work until they die or will live in extreme poverty. Perhaps people without any other retirement plan will start shopping around for the communities with the nicest jails. Can you imagine that as your retirement plan?
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@LeaPea2417 (36442)
• Toccoa, Georgia
19 Mar 18
It is sickening. Too many prisons are nicer than they should be, that would encourage people to do that.
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• Mojave, California
19 Mar 18
I am not sure what prison or jails you are talking about, maybe for the white collar criminals, but prisons, jails are far from nice. Just saying their basic needs are met and some jails will give them a purpose such as work, but that also can be construed as slave labor because they make pennies and takes away from the rest of the people looking for work because they could be doing those jobs, but since we turned the prison system in to a business. That is how we do things. Profit before people.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@LeaPea2417 - I have toured a couple of jails, and they were not that pleasant. However, if it was a choice between being old and homeless or old and living in a jail, I guess nearly any jail would be preferable to sleeping on the street and not knowing where your next meal would be coming from. I thought it was sad that some people are faced with this choice.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@crossbones27 - I agree that most jails are pretty basic. I have toured a couple of jails, and they were not that pleasant. However, if my only choice was between being old and homeless or old and living in a jail, I guess nearly any jail would be preferable to sleeping on the street and not knowing where your next meal would be coming from. I thought it was sad that some people are faced with this choice.
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@LadyDuck (458091)
• Switzerland
20 Mar 18
No luck in Italy, they do not put people in jail if they are 70 or over.
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@LadyDuck (458091)
• Switzerland
21 Mar 18
@DeborahDiane If things do not go better, all people in Italy will be in trouble. I am not sure the government has enough money to pay the Pensions. In Italy pensions are not private, they are paid by the Italian Government.
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• Laguna Woods, California
21 Mar 18
@LadyDuck - I think a number of countries are worried about the same thing, as much of the world population is aging. In the US, many people are worried that the government will not be able to pay all the promised Social Security benefits in the future.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@LadyDuck - Oh! I guess people in Italy need another retirement plan, then! LOL
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@crossbones27 (48420)
• Mojave, California
19 Mar 18
Just shows you would not be a hard issue to fix, but our leaders are to greedy. Sad to say jails are structured systems and while not ever the best living conditions but basic needs are met. Roof over your head, food so will not starve no matter how nasty. Hell even get healthcare. I know other countries cannot say that but even in the US I have heard people get locked up on purpose for a place to stay for a moment and to get a meal and are checked for health issues. It does not take a whole lot of money to make sure everyone's basic needs are being met and I can look around and see work needing to be done but no one just wants to shell out the money to pay people a living wage and fix a bunch of other problems at the same time. As far as people saving money, kind of hard for many to do even if they open some kind of retirement plan because they do not get paid a living wage so they keep having to take money out of their retirement plan. Then you look at how our society is designed to make people buy things they do not need so they can be part of mainstream society. Just leads to disaster for many for the youth, middle aged and especially our elders.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@crossbones27 - I agree with you completely. Many people have just survived most of their lives. There was no way they could save for retirement. On top of that, the less money they earned, the less Social Security they receive. I can honestly understand why some people would see jail as a better situation than being homeless, especially in their 70s or 80s.
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@1creekgirl (40523)
• United States
19 Mar 18
My daughter wants to live on a cruise ship when she retires (hopefully she's not serious,) but no, I sure don't want to retire to a prison!
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@1creekgirl - I have heard that some people do retire to cruise ships. Others move into inexpensive motels. Either would certainly be better than being in prison!
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@1creekgirl (40523)
• United States
20 Mar 18
@DeborahDiane That's true! I still am glad to be retired in my own home.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@1creekgirl - Yes, the best retirement of all is in our own home!
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@Hannihar (129470)
• Israel
25 May 18
@DeborahDiane I guess you could say I fall in the category that will have to work till I can no longer do it. It is very hard.
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• Laguna Woods, California
26 May 18
@Hannihar - That is so sad that so many retired people still have to work, all over the world. My 73 year old husband still works and probably will continue, because our life would be more difficult if he did not. Only the richest people today can retire without anyone working. I even know doctors who are still working in their 70s because they cannot afford to stop unless they sell their homes. Retirement isn't like it was for our parents' generation, is it?
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• Laguna Woods, California
28 May 18
@Hannihar - No, it is not. Young people are saddled with so much student loan debt in the United States that few of them can afford to buy a home. Old people lost their retirement savings during the recession we had 9 years ago. Life is hard on everyone.
@Hannihar (129470)
• Israel
27 May 18
@DeborahDiane Life is not easy these days.
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@Courage7 (19633)
• United States
19 Mar 18
It is sickening that elders are regarded as disposable now on man occassions. And no how sad, I cannot imagine jail as an option. I have heard of this here even though.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@Courage7 - I have not heard of it before, but I can see why someone might consider it, even here in the U.S. I know people who are really struggling just to eat when they get really old. I have toured a couple of jails, and they were not that pleasant. However, if it was a choice between being old and homeless, or old and living in a jail, I guess nearly any jail would be preferable to sleeping on the street and not knowing where your next meal would be coming from. I thought it was sad that some people are faced with this choice.
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@caopaopao (12395)
• China
14 Apr 18
I think it's unbelievable. I heard of these things from the internet. People around me will never choose that living way when they are old.
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• Laguna Woods, California
14 Apr 18
It is so sad what some people have to do when they get too old to take care of themselves. I hope that never happens to me or anyone I care about.
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@BelleStarr (61047)
• United States
20 Mar 18
I hope their jails are nicer than ours, that sounds like a horrible retirement.
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@BelleStarr (61047)
• United States
20 Mar 18
@DeborahDiane It is very sad and of course the elderly would be vulnerable to the real criminals.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@BelleStarr - Yes, I thought about that, too. Jail is not exactly the safest place to live, especially if you are old. It is so sad that people feel they have no other choice.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@BelleStarr - I agree. That is the first thing I thought ... I hope their jails are nicer than ours. I have toured a couple of jails, and they were not that pleasant. However, if it was a choice between being old and homeless or old and living in a jail, I guess nearly any jail would be preferable to sleeping on the street and not knowing where your next meal would be coming from. I thought it was sad that some people are faced with this choice.
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@wolfgirl569 (95190)
• Marion, Ohio
7 Apr 18
Room, board, medical care, company. I can see why many would choose that.
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• Laguna Woods, California
7 Apr 18
@wolfgirl569 - Exactly. It is certainly preferable to being old, alone, sick and homeless.
@rakski (112925)
• Philippines
19 Mar 18
not all countries has a good retirement plan for their people. But is not good that senior citizen commit crime just to have stability and community.
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@rakski (112925)
• Philippines
20 Mar 18
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@rakski - I agree. I thought it was very sad.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
20 Mar 18
That just shows that our prisons aren't places of punishment like they should be. If you can go to prison and live a life of ease, there's something wrong with our system. Jail should be punishment, and it should be a very uncomfortable place to be.
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@moffittjc (118442)
• Gainesville, Florida
20 Mar 18
@DeborahDiane Yes, it is sad that many people will not be prepared for their retirement years, or will outlive their retirement income. Our government does not do a very good job of taking care of the elderly.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@moffittjc - Apparently many governments are not doing a good job taking care of their elderly. I always thought of Japan as a place that revered their elderly. Apparently not enough to keep them from choosing to go to prison as a retirement plan.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@moffittjc - Well, since this was in Japan, I don't know anything about their jails and the conditions there. However, I have toured a couple of American jails, and they were not that pleasant. However, if it was a choice between being old and homeless, or old and living in a jail, I guess nearly any jail would be preferable to sleeping on the street and not knowing where your next meal would be coming from, especially if you were in your 70s, 80s or 90s. I thought it was sad that some people are faced with this choice.
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@DianneN (246849)
• United States
25 Mar 18
It's a sad state of affairs when it comes to that. I've visited several prisons and would rather not move in for any reason.
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• Laguna Woods, California
25 Mar 18
@DianneN - I have toured a couple of jails and I would certainly never want to live in one. When I was a Scout leader, they would give us tours as part of Criminal Justice Day. I agree that it is a sad state of affairs when there are people who are faced with either being homeless or going to jail. Very sad.
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@DianneN (246849)
• United States
25 Mar 18
@DeborahDiane So true
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@nela13 (55698)
• Portugal
21 Mar 18
That is so sad, what about their families, don't they have family?
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@nela13 (55698)
• Portugal
21 Mar 18
@DeborahDiane Oh God, that is so sad
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• New Delhi, India
20 Mar 18
Ofcourse not.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
I agree it is not a very good plan!
@allen0187 (58444)
• Philippines
20 Mar 18
Not the way I want to spend my retirement. Goes to show that the world is still a long way from taking care of our elderly.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@allen0187 - I agree. The world has a long way to go before it does a good job of caring for the elderly.
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• China
20 Mar 18
What a strange social phenomenon ! Those senior citizens would sooner go to jail than live off retired pay.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
I assume it is because their retirement pay is so low, they cannot afford to live off it. It is a strange social phenomenon, and a sad one.
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@id_peace (14005)
• Singapore
20 Mar 18
I highly doubt that I could really retire somehow.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@id_peace - A lot of people do not think they will ever be able to retire. It is sad.
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@jaboUK (64361)
• United Kingdom
21 Mar 18
Surely they'd have to commit more than minor crimes in order to be in jail for any length of time? Anyway, it's a sad state of affairs.
@JudyEv (325765)
• Rockingham, Australia
19 Mar 18
It did cross our minds to retire to a cruise ship. Once you've been on it a while the fares reduce considerably. All your house-keeping and meals are provided; there is great entertainment and they'd probably dock in Melbourne and Dublin at least once a year so we could see our sons.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@JudyEv - I think a lot of people consider the same thing. It would certainly be an interesting option.
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@lynnief (1203)
• Australia
20 Mar 18
That's terribly sad. Years ago someone told me about an old fellow here in Australia. He had been in and out of jails all his life, and had nobody on the outside. So every year in the lead up to Christmas he would do some minor crime so that he could go to jail and not have to spend Christmas alone. A very sad indictment on our society.
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• Laguna Woods, California
20 Mar 18
@lynnief - Yes, that is a very sad indictment on our society. I'm sure this happens with lonely, poor people all over the world.
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