Basques traditions : marriage and inheritance

@topffer (42156)
France
September 21, 2018 12:26pm CST
I visited several monuments and a traditional house in the French Basque country last weekend, where I learned from the owners what I am telling here. I hope it will interest you. Any Basque wears the name of the house/property from where are his/her origins : Etcheberry= «new house» in Basque, Salazar «old lounge», Mendoza «cold mountain»... The properties are transmitted unchanged to the eldest child, boy or girl. The French law says since 1793 that a property has to be shared equally between all children but the Basques found ways to avoid to divide their properties and they still follow their traditions in the countryside. The eldest child marries a cadet of another family. If the eldest was a girl, the tradition was that the husband and the children would wear the name of the wife. An eldest never marries another eldest, it is supposed to bring bad luck. If, by another bad luck, the cadet inherits of an elder brother/sister, the second child will inherit of this property and will take the name of this property or join the name of his/her parents. Basque properties are transmitted like that with the same limits since hundreds, if not thousands of years. As a Basque family may have more than two children, the other cadets could stay as servants on the property or were given the choice to migrate and establish their own property elsewhere. A Spanish king had decided that all Basques were nobles, those living in Spain like those living in France, and the cadets migrated massively to Spanish colonies (America, Philippines...) where their noble privileges were advantaging them. In France, only a few Basque families were considered noble, although all the criminal Basques had the noble privilege to be beheaded instead of hanged, and the commoners managed to never pay the state income tax applied to commoners in the rest of the kingdom. A Basque follows a French law only if he agrees to it... Photo : a street with typical Basque houses in Bayonne.
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• Pamplona, Spain
22 Sep 18
Yes indeed, you have described them to a T a capital T and truth to tell I have ignored anything about them in particular always as to me they are just like any other although they always want to be special. Like a certain woman told me and let me know the other month and so I was thinking okay let me hear you speak in English without any accent and see if you can do away with your disdain and pride. As she was saying that my Spanish has a strong accent in it. I did not take offence but I thought here we go again. I know a story of what some children were taught in those Ikastola´s of theirs but I will not write about it here. Apart from that i have many good friends who are Basque whatever and they never mention or act the way the others do those are the ones I prefer. Also the people of the Ribera Alta and Baja are extraordinary people and will never think like the Basque people do thank goodness. Loved this as I did not know a lot about them as I chose not to its for a very good reason tops and if I told you you would understand it but it belongs to my private life and not here. All good wishes and you have made me smile from ear to ear. Ole tu tops y la madre que te parió.xxx
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• Pamplona, Spain
22 Sep 18
@topffer If anything the three not good experiences I had before are something for me to turn into something positive which I will write about sort of like three stories if you like. Yes, I know that kind of feeling and they will not speak much. Come to think of it there are people I know who are not Basque and they do not speak much either my nearest brother is one. Look forward to reading about the Church of Saint Jean de Luz. Hugs tops.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
22 Sep 18
@lovinangelsinstead21 It is a very good idea to write little stories about your experiences with them In England I have been taught that it was not polite to talk to a stranger but I met very communicative people. Maybe because they had not detected my French accent, I have been asked in Cornwall if I was Scottish and in Yorkshire if I was Cornish. My English does not sound kosher, but as I speak fluently they have a doubt, there are so many English accents that mine may come from a distant area. In Spain they immediately detect that I am French.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
22 Sep 18
I think they are special, or at least very stubborn when it comes to their traditions. In France they continue to follow them in the countryside, less in cities. There are nice people among them, but globally they do not speak a lot to strangers, contrarily to the rest of Southerners. I took a bus from Bayonne to Saint Jean-de-Luz, my neighbor was from Tarbes and we chatted during all the travel, it would not have happened with a Basque. I will start another discussion about the church of Saint Jean-de-Luz.
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@MALUSE (69413)
• Germany
21 Sep 18
I don't know what typical non-Basque houses look like. So I can't see what is special about the houses in the photo. :-(
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@topffer (42156)
• France
21 Sep 18
A typical Basque house has a half timbered facade whitewashed with the woods painted with ox blood (or in a red ox blood color today). The blue wood painting has also been used by sailors for their houses.
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@MALUSE (69413)
• Germany
21 Sep 18
@topffer Thank you.
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@LadyDuck (458091)
• Switzerland
22 Sep 18
The Basque people have interesting traditions and a pretty strong temper. The "Receveur Principal" of the Monte-Carlo post office was Basque, I liked him a lot and I have to say that he did not manage his words when he was not happy about something.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
22 Sep 18
I would bet that it is because they were troublemakers that a king of Spain told them that they were all noble, in the hope that they would migrate elsewhere. France did many efforts during the 16/17/early 18th C to enforce French laws and regulations, and finally gave up, the French public servants were too despaired to never success in the Basque country : the Basques had their own way to manage things and were refusing the French way, including for simple things like maintaining roads.
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@LadyDuck (458091)
• Switzerland
23 Sep 18
@topffer Basque people are stubborn and they are prone not to follow the rules, not matter imposed by which country. This is my opinion. Everything must be done "their way"... I wonder if my mom had Basque ascendants.
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@YrNemo (20261)
22 Sep 18
I wonder if there were any couples who defied the tradition, and just married each other, both being eldest?
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@topffer (42156)
• France
22 Sep 18
I cannot tell, it may have happened, but not often because of superstitions and social pressure. Basque properties are still very small, there are no big land owners, and very expensive because they are quite never selling their piece of land or house. I visited a house that hosted a king of France in 1660, and it is owned today by the same family than in 1660.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
22 Sep 18
@YrNemo In France the rule was that a noble was beheaded and a commoner hanged, but the Basques were an exception, they were all beheaded. They were paying taxes locally : each Basque province, in France like in Spain had a local assembly/parliament fixing the amount of the taxes, collecting them, and giving back a small part to the state. They still do that in Spain, where they are giving back to the state 5% of the taxes they collect. In France they now pay their income tax like anybody.
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@YrNemo (20261)
22 Sep 18
@topffer The last paragraph there made me laugh, trust you to point out the difference in the execution of the noble Basques and the common. Hang on, if all Basques are noble, are there any Basques left to pay the income tax for their country? (I must have missed out something, let me re-read the discussion again .)
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