Trump Can Still Win
By Jim Bauer
@porwest (78756)
United States
December 31, 2020 5:48pm CST
Many people do not fully understand the entire process of how we elect a president in this country.
No matter, and I will spare you the details unless you ask me in comments. I will be happy to elaborate.
Technically though, President Trump can still be reelected.
You see, when the certification of the electoral votes happens on the 6th of January, there is one guy who is in charge of that.
Vice President Mike Pence who is THE president of the Senate.
The president of the Senate is who certifies the electoral votes and ultimately declares the winner of the election.
Historically, this is mostly a ceremonial thing. The popular vote is cast in each state, and whoever wins the popular vote in each state wins the electoral votes for that state. The number of electoral votes is determined by the number of congressional representatives for each state. Whoever wins 270 electoral votes wins the presidency.
The president of the Senate (the vice president of the United States) certifies those votes and the winner is determined.
By law, the president of the Senate CAN deny the counting of any of the votes and not certify them if he has questions about their validity. It is entirely his right to do so.
If things in certain states are considered to not be above board in certain contested states like Nevada, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Georgia...
The president of the Senate can simply toss them out and not count them.
IF the president of the Senate decides to do that, Trump wins.
This can technically happen, and this is not to say that this decision could not be challenged. All sorts of things would happen after the fact if this would ultimately be the decision of the president of the Senate.
Now. My take.
Hopefully I have managed to keep you along long enough to hear it, though comments will let me know who has stuck with me and who only read a portion of my commentary here.
I do not want this to happen.
I have long said I may be a conservative republican, and of course I wanted this election to go differently.
BUT, I have also said I am a staunch AMERICAN FIRST, and I think the integrity and the sanctity of our elections is probably THE most important thing there is to our democratic republic, and our freedoms, and frankly our country.
If the tables were turned, and the democrats tried to do this, I would be angry as hell. I would not be okay with it. I would be very suspect of it. And I would strongly contest it.
So, therefore, I cannot and will not accept it being done on my side just because I want Trump to be the victor.
In order for me to have faith in my country I need to have faith in our system, and if Trump's win were to be the result of actions such as these, I would have to personally question the system.
I would have to question everything I think is what makes this country so much better than so many others.
I stand firmly with what I have said in other comments, and have written in previous posts.
The process should proceed as though everything was according to the law, and according to our process of electing presidents. We MUST continue to QUESTION the process if we think something was not right. But until we have the evidence to say otherwise...
We must proceed as though the process worked.
In the philosophy of AMERICA FIRST, there is no such thing as party. There is the Constitution, and this great nation.
Biden may kill the nation with his policies. But nothing will kill this nation more than calling half the electorate into question as to whether or not their vote matters in the end.
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11 responses
@RasmaSandra (74285)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
31 Dec 20
Trump wins I am going into debt and gathering as much money as I can then moving back to Latvia 
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@RasmaSandra (74285)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
1 Jan 21
@porwest won't, anyone, give me a break????
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@porwest (78756)
• United States
1 Jan 21
@RasmaSandra Trump didn't. And if you had been paying attention to facts instead of the news, you would know that. How do you bankrupt people when you have the lowest unemployment numbers in decades, the lowest black, Hispanic, and women unemployment in history, when you have high paying manufacturing jobs BACK in the United States, when you return the U.S. to being the highest oil producing nation in the world, which many of those jobs are $60,000-$100,000 a year paying jobs, when you increase median income by $5000 a year? This economy was BOOMING and people were making more money than they ever were...
Until the pandemic.
Everyone was clamoring for increasing the minimum wage. Hell, under Trump the average hiring wage for Target was $15 an hour just because they had to get people come work for them. To hell with $15. Under Trump ALL wages would have SKYROCKETED!
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@just4him (309165)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
1 Jan 21
I agree with you. I would like to have seen President Trump re-elected and this election a fair one for everyone.
I didn't know Vice President Pense could turn the tables on the electoral vote. I knew he was president of the Senate.
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@porwest (78756)
• United States
1 Jan 21
It would be the first time in history this has ever been done if he went that route. But it is definitely in his purview.
I also do not think he will do it. But he HAS suggested he might. So, we will just have to wait and see. The election really is in his hands right now.
One thing is true for me, and that is that without question this is THE most contentious election I have ever seen in my lifetime.
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@RebeccasFarm (86963)
• United States
1 Jan 21
That Biden looks like a real slime
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@RebeccasFarm (86963)
• United States
4 Jan 21
@porwest Oh is slime a name? I thought it just a general description and very apt.
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@porwest (78756)
• United States
6 Jan 21
@RebeccasFarm I am going to agree with you here. Biden is not someone I think anyone should be happy about being in the White House. But here we are.
@porwest (78756)
• United States
1 Jan 21
I try to avoid name calling. But certainly I agree that Biden's policies will be damaging to America and Americans. Reversing course from what was a highly successful economy under Trump makes no sense to me, but that is what he aims to do.
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@1creekgirl (40660)
• United States
1 Jan 21
Some may not agree with you, but I do. I wish with all my being that President Trump had been re elected, but we have to accept that he wasn't. May God have mercy on our nation in the next four years.
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@Namelesss (3368)
• United States
1 Jan 21
No, we have to find out if he was or wasn't. If there was fraud (I do believe there was) we have to know.
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@porwest (78756)
• United States
1 Jan 21
Some may not agree with you, but I do. I wish with all my being that President Trump had been re elected, but we have to accept that he wasn't. May God have mercy on our nation in the next four years.
@1creekgirl What irks me is when I get accused of being so die-hard for Trump that my mind gets muddled. In these posts I try to relate as strongly as I can what I wish for, but also where I stand overall. Some people will still make the claim that I am muddled by bias toward Trump. It is what it is. All I can do here is try to be as honest as I can, and as fair as I can, and as open as I can.
As for the next four years, I think it will be miserable. But like you said, we can only accept that and deal with it. We have no other choice, really.
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@porwest (78756)
• United States
1 Jan 21
No, we have to find out if he was or wasn't. If there was fraud (I do believe there was) we have to know.
@Namelesss I agree with you, and hope I at least conveyed that in my post. There are a multitude of questions that need to be answered here, and my hope is that the answers can be sought out. I don't want the questions to fade away into thin air—much like happened with Hilary by the way.
I think Trump had an opportunity to dig into Hilary Clinton very deeply, but for whatever reason he chose not to, and I have criticized him in the past for this. But it was his choice.
I think the best course here is to accept the results as they are, BUT also continue to ask the important questions and bring to very bright light anything that is there to be found.
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@indexer (4852)
• Leicester, England
1 Jan 21
As a non-American, who is particularly concerned about such matters as World peace and climate change, I am delighted that Trump will no longer be the US President after 20th January. However, I would have much preferred the Democrats to come up with a better candidate than Joe Biden!
The shenanigans over the election makes clear to me that the system used to elect an American President desperately needs to be reformed. The problem is that the US Constitution was written in another era and is now way out of date. For example, what is the point of waiting for two months before the new President is sworn in? That might have made sense 200 years ago, but today?
I am grateful to live in a country - the UK - that does not have a written Constitution!
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@porwest (78756)
• United States
1 Jan 21
Our Constitution is a very important document, and is not out of date by any measure. It is what protects the American people from tyranny of government. Something we hold very dear to this day. It is the foundation of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It also is what affords the PEOPLE the power over their government.
In our country, no one is more powerful than the people. And it is the Constitution that maintains that and what established that.
As for world peace, it is a pipe dream. We cannot have it. It simply cannot exist. The world is too full of people like Kim Jong Un and the Iranians and other evil people. All we can do is be a strong deterrent to their evil ways. And Trump very much was.
As for climate change, of course you already know I don't believe in it. But one thing I can tell you is that no other country has done more to clean up the environment than the United States. And part of that "cleanup" really has nothing to do with climate change. It has to with our system of capitalism, the profitability of being cleaner, and our profit-driven system that encourages those innovations in the first place.
@Namelesss (3368)
• United States
1 Jan 21
I feel that we should all thank President Trump.
If this had been any other president the fraud would have still happened if he was pro-America. The difference is those others would do what they have all done and that is capitulate and ignore the problem. The same ones who are crying 'no fraud' now are the very same ones who have cried fraud for years. They KNOW why, how and by who it is being done but the ones that might would have fought for our country simply did not have the backbone required and/or the know how, the rest were very happy with the deals they made.
They were and are just dumb enough to think that under the new regime they will float to the top. They are sadly mistaken as many of our legal immigrants can attest. It is that regime they fled and with good reason.
So whether he comes out on top or not we owe him. If not for him the fraud, the deep state, the very sell of our country would still be going on right under our noses. Those who say this is a battle are correct, it is. And it aint about Trump, it's about America, our country and returning it safely back into the hands of the American People.
So while it has been a helluva year, it has also been very enlightening and very necessary. One day those who can not see it now will, I hope.
And you are totally correct in that while everyone wants to bash the process the process is Totally LEGAL and our Constitution is set up for this very thing.
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@porwest (78756)
• United States
9 Jan 21
@Namelesss This country is at a literal crossroads right now. Unfortunately I think the path we are choosing is the wrong one, and I am not sure really where that will ultimately lead us. But hopefully it's not the end of the road, and when we get to the next fork, we have a better understanding of which way we NEED to go.
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@LeaPea2417 (36610)
• Toccoa, Georgia
2 Jan 21
I still have a sliver of hope Trump can be victorious because there is much evidence of corruption in this election. It was a well orchestrated plan to bring him down and any Republican that doesn't fight it irks me to a tea. It angers me so much that, if Trump doesn't win on January 6, I state right here, I will leave the Republican Party. I will register with the Constitution Party. You have heard of that? This country needs more than two parties.
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@porwest (78756)
• United States
5 Jan 21
I have heard of the party. But I still don't have a lot of confidence that any third party can be viable in a general election. Maybe that will change one day. Who knows? I will not leave the republican party, but I will rethink any contributions to it, and will have a high expectation that no matter what happens on the 6th, that the republican party is vigilant in getting to the bottom of things.
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@porwest (78756)
• United States
7 Jan 21
I never actually thought he could win, so hopefully you actually read my entire post before commenting on it. Because I said as much in the post. BUT, of COURSE it IS and WAS possible under the way our system actually works.
WOULD it have happened? Probably not. Has it EVER happened? No. I only presented it as a possibility. But then also went on to say that I would not support it if it DID happen.
@lovebuglena (43218)
• Staten Island, New York
5 Jan 21
What about the people that will object on January 6th. And there will be more than one objection?
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@porwest (78756)
• United States
5 Jan 21
It may be surprising to some, being that I am such an avid Trump supporter, but I am not certain that I support the objections. It is not to say I don't think there is a lot that is questionable about the numbers we saw here, and I do think it needs to be looked into very carefully. But these kinds of antics only serve to solidify in the minds of Trump haters and haters of the republican party that we are seeking power we do not have.
The objections will also not change the election result ultimately. So I continue to think we should take any action we can behind the scenes and avoid theatrics that provide bad optics.
Look for the evidence. FIND it. And THEN we can take action based on the evidence. All this in the interim serves no real purpose to my mind other than to make Trump and the whole party look bad.
@Deepizzaguy (95586)
• Lake Charles, Louisiana
1 Jan 21
Like I have told my political enemies on Gateway Pundit, You Tube and Breitbart. "It ain't over till it's over."
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@Deepizzaguy (95586)
• Lake Charles, Louisiana
1 Jan 21
@porwest You are right. I can only hope and pray that there will be no civil war in our nation.
@porwest (78756)
• United States
1 Jan 21
This is very true, and I don't think it WILL be over any time soon. There are enough people deeply entrenched in the question of "what happened" and I think we can find out some very interesting things going forward. It may not necessarily change the outcome of the election. But it can put a much better perspective on PROBLEMS in the process.
We shall have to wait and see.
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@TitiaG (251)
• Netherlands
5 Jan 21
You and I know that we're totally not on the same level as it comes to Trump. I respect you though for stating you want the process to work as it should work, honestly and correctly.
You wrote this couple of days ago and I just wondered how you feel about your mister Trump today, because what he said in that telephone recording to the Secetary of State of GA reeks very much to tyranny and inciting someone up to fraud and a direct personal threat. The way he's publicly treating his own vice president at the moment is not a President worthy behaviour either.
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@porwest (78756)
• United States
7 Jan 21
I have always said I am an American first, and a republican 2nd. I have not been happy with Trump's reaction to the election, and have stated so publicly. I do think it is okay to call into question whether or not anything illegal happened, but this has sort of become a bit of a clown show, and I think it makes the president look bad, and makes the party look bad.
Then we had the storming of the capitol which makes the whole country look bad.
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@porwest (78756)
• United States
9 Jan 21
@TitiaG With all due respect, I don't think I (or other Trump supporters) are blind and deaf at all. In fact, I think it is the other way around. The left can't see that the media berated and ridiculed the president for four years? The left can't see that impeachment proceeding were started BEFORE Trump was even in office? The left can't see all of the nonsense the democrats engaged in trying to remove a president time and time again, mostly for nothing at all?
And beyond that, why is it that the left and the media could not acknowledge his accomplishments? Record low unemployment, record low black and Hispanic unemployment, the highest labor participation rate in 50 years, median income raised by $5000, businesses booming and hiring sprees galore, GDP went from 1.2% to nearly 5%...and the list goes on.
Any danger was a made up story by the left and the media. It never had any basis in reality.
And how was it dangerous that we stopped North Korea and Iran from going nuclear? How was it dangerous that ISIS was all but eradicated? How is it dangerous that three countries in the Middle East went ahead and accepted Israel as a state? How was it dangerous that Trump called for law and order?
I could go on. But it would be pointless. You see what you want, regardless of whether or not it's real or made up.
Besides, as is always the case, I provide details as to why I see things the way I do. All the left does is throw words out there without actually ever saying WHY those words should be taken seriously. The WHY is ALWAYS missing from any argument from the left.
