California is a Confusing Place

@porwest (78757)
United States
September 8, 2022 6:06am CST
California is one of those states that simply defy logic at every turn. At the same time, it is an interesting microcosm that sort of defines the ineffectiveness and wrongheadedness of liberal logic as a whole. Such as electrifying the state. It wasn't that long ago that California of course would ban the future sales of gas powered yard equipment, namely lawn mowers. Basically it was a gasoline small engine ban. Then they have turned around and said they want to ban all gasoline car sales in California. The problem is not so much with the idea, even though I think it is stupid. I think it is better to let the market decide which is better. Gas or electric cars. Let the consumer's make that decision on their own. You know, freedom and all. The problem is with the power grid. How does California intend to deal with that issue as it tries to electrify the entire state? Rolling blackouts are a real thing in California, and they happen because the current power grid cannot keep up with demand now. So, what happens when people not only need to keep their air conditioners running—during heatwaves such as they are experiencing now—but also have to charge all of these cars? I say this is a microcosm of liberal logic because often times what liberal logic is, is simply having an idea. But not thinking about what really happens if they do it. Or how to deal with what they have decided is the right thing to do. We've heard about California's desire to electrify. But have we heard anything about their plans to build more power plants to keep up with the increased demand for electricity? And before they decide on any tentative date to electrify, shouldn't they first make sure that they even can? Why not build the power plants first and then proceed with electrification?
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@moffittjc (118828)
• Gainesville, Florida
8 Sep 22
Since California is going to force automakers to stop selling gas cars in their state, does that mean they're also going to turn around and force energy companies to build more power plants? Power plants are not cheap to build and operate, not to even mention the regulatory hoops they must jump through at the local, state and federal level to get necessary approvals and permits. It could easily take 10 years or more to gain all the necessary approvals to build a power plant. And considering most energy companies are for-profit enterprises, don't you think they would have already built more power plants if it was financially feasible or profitable for them?
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@moffittjc (118828)
• Gainesville, Florida
10 Sep 22
@porwest We really need to just get rid of California from our country. They’re like a virus infecting a computer.
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@porwest (78757)
• United States
12 Sep 22
@moffittjc It really has gotten that bad. I am not sure how much worse it could get from here. That being said, I am convinced it can and WILL get worse.
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@porwest (78757)
• United States
8 Sep 22
This just goes hand in hand with part of what I said in the post, that "liberal logic is simply having an idea. But not thinking about what really happens if they do it. Or how to deal with what they have decided is the right thing to do." In other words. Liberal logic is fraught with contradictions and unintended consequences. The liberals want green technology which to their mind is the battery. What they don't consider is the environmental impact of mining the materials needed to make the battery, the contaminants that are byproducts of the manufacturing process and so on and so forth. They don't consider that the two primary resources used in the production of electricity are coal and natural gas—fossil fuels. At the same time, democrats have long opposed building new power plants because they dislike all of the things that generate the most efficient supply of power. Coal, natural gas, and nuclear. Sure, they like wind and solar. The problem is that they can't seem to come to terms with the fact that neither of these sources produce significant enough power to make a dent, and also require much more space to implement these ideas... Which by the way cuts into their concerns about interrupting certain habitats and wildlife. It's contradictions and unintended consequences like this that the left create all the time, and I can never fully understand if they do it on purpose to create problems that they can tell us they are working hard to solve, or if they just aren't thinking things through. I think it is a combination of both actually. Either way, to my knowledge there has been no talk in California about adding to the power grid, and I am not even sure they (California) has even given much thought to whether or not automakers can supply all of these electric cars, and what will happen to the gas powered ones that will eventually be banned from the existing fleet as well. NEITHER has California proposed any infrastructure plans to ensure that there will be sufficient charging stations available. The democrats in California said one thing. "Ban the sale of all gasoline powered cars in the state." But beyond that, that was the end of the story. They have no idea what it actually means or what that actually looks like.
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@RebeccasFarm (86996)
• United States
8 Sep 22
California..used to be such a beautiful place.
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@porwest (78757)
• United States
8 Sep 22
Many, many, many, many, many moons ago. Yes.
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• United States
8 Sep 22
@porwest Yes sad really they trashed it
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@porwest (78757)
• United States
10 Sep 22
@RebeccasFarm At some point hopefully things can turn around over there. But at this point I am not sure how. Meanwhile Florida is booming and thriving.
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@JudyEv (326895)
• Rockingham, Australia
8 Sep 22
They reckon petrol cars will be phased out here bit by bit. We are seeing more and more hybrid vehicles.
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@porwest (78757)
• United States
12 Dec 22
Here too. It will be interesting to see how viable they actually are at some point with less resale value and other factors.
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@lovebuglena (43212)
• Staten Island, New York
8 Sep 22
I am glad I don't live in Cali. What they are doing over there makes no sense.
@LindaOHio (158927)
• United States
9 Sep 22
That brings to mind Hoover Dam...If the water level gets any lower, there wont' be any water to run the turbines.
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@LindaOHio (158927)
• United States
11 Sep 22
@porwest There's a lot of wind in California. Those wind turbines are expensive though.
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@porwest (78757)
• United States
12 Sep 22
@LindaOHio ...and inefficient unfortunately.
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@porwest (78757)
• United States
10 Sep 22
At some point I think we just have to come to terms that the best sources of power generation are from fossil fuels and nuclear and focus on that, otherwise we are just unfortunately chasing our tails here.
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@Nakitakona (56302)
• Philippines
14 Sep 22
Freedom per se isn't freedom. That's it's misunderstood and being abused. Californian government is weird if not inhumane.
@porwest (78757)
• United States
15 Sep 22
I am not going to disagree, only to say that most Americans at least know what it generally means. There are still rules and limitations, as it should be. But we also acknowledge it is fragile, and therefore it must be protected.
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@Nakitakona (56302)
• Philippines
19 Sep 22
@porwest And that's reality and it's not debatable. The citizenry have adapt it.
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• Philippines
8 Sep 22
Wow that's a very ambitious plans and ideology but make sense if you don't have a fuel source. But yeah... it needs a lot of mathematics, logic, and strategy to get sources of electricity... to your last question, it make sense, but I guess maybe your country needs to have a right away solutions to the current demands on gasoline.. if I am following wat you have right there... since there is problem with the gasoline supply in the world. But to answer that, I have met a lot of leaders in my life wo do the same, they do the most stupid things and ideas but only because they see the valuable result before it become visible... maybe that's the government of california sees... just a wild guess. HOpe my comment will not offend you in anyway. and thanks for sharing your views, it is worth to read.
• United States
8 Sep 22
I wonder if there are many automotive factories in CA? Will they have to convert everything to electric car production or will they simply leave the state taking industry with them??