What I mean by metastases of War
By vanny
@vandana7 (98852)
India
November 14, 2023 1:21am CST
So we had Palestine Liberation Organization ...or the PLO
Years of fighting mostly guerilla warfare, led to birth of other organizations like Hamas, and Hezbollah...of course, each has different ideologies and reasons for aligning...but coalescing of the elements from PLO was there...
There are spokespersons for such outfits.
So ..there was PLO, then came Fatah, then came Hamas...elsewhere Hezbollah was born... as was ISIS
Looks like nuclear fission to me....you cannot control the fission once it starts...can you...
Many of cancers work similarly.
Opportunity to negotiate with PLO...lost ...because there is unwillingness to understand another party.
So PLO itself gets divided into hardliners...now we have to negotiate with more groups...more will be lost.
Wars do that....quite often giving in is better than prolonged wars leaving us vulnerable.
After all, there maybe many other subgroups of hardliners differing from Hamas who would have conditions different from Hamas...or partially different.
So if we are negotiating with HAMAS...these hardliners will not sit quiet. It becomes difficult to get everybody on board.
That is the reason wars should not be considered as option.
Am I making sense? This morning I pray for peace and god's healing for everybody.
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@DaddyEvil (137142)
• United States
14 Nov
You're making sense but, on myLot, people don't want war so you're talking sense to the wrong people.
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@vandana7 (98852)
• India
14 Nov
I have not spoken from the angle of pain to ordinary citizens. I have spoken from the angle of cold, logical person. Today, you may have to pay 60 percent, that is still ok from years later when that payout can become 80 percent because many groups with different leaders, their own egos will want their pound of flesh. All would want the most expensive stuff, and equivalent in lieu. That can become more expensive affair than giving in to their demands and entering a truce.
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@DaddyEvil (137142)
• United States
15 Nov
@vandana7 In some things, a truce is not worth it. If you are downtrodden and your family is killed anyway, then it's better to go to war. At least you have a chance of saving the things and people you love.
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@TraveOnWorld (866)
• Georgia
14 Nov
You are making a lot of sense. I've a cynical streak in me that really thinks its only about money and it starts because people have lost sight of life's absolute beauty. I've seen what happened to a lot of these freedom fighters over time. They get money, loads of it and they spend money on themselves, loads of it. Arafat, Mugabe, Zuma, to name but a few. And war rarely leaves a better world behind.
And still the children suffer so these ugly people sprout their evil. That image of Phan Thi Kim Phuc should be burned into the retinas of every person who wishes to end a dispute through violence. To this day, children are indoctrinated with the "benefit" of hatred and war and then drafted into the madness that follows.
Life is just too beautiful and fragile for it to be offered up at the altar of violence, just so some horrible people can have their way and make their money at the expense of others. I join you in your prayer for peace and healing. Bless you
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@LadyDuck (458388)
• Switzerland
14 Nov
The Israeli–Palestinian conflict has its roots in the late 19th, with the birth of major nationalist movements among the Jews and among the Arabs. So if this conflict is lasting from two centuries, we will never arrive to have peace between them.
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@vandana7 (98852)
• India
14 Nov
Sometimes courting bad name in history becomes essential too so that some good survives.
If earlier people had sat ..understood with empathy agreed to give some and accept some...there would be an understanding that was acceptable to everybody.
Oslo accord did not have acceptance of the other party. So how could it be thrust down the gullet? Resentment was bound to be there.
Settlement in West Bank is also not ok.
We never opposed those. Nobody spoke against such things, which are sophisticated forms of terrorism too.
Now...what they would have paid 60 percent for, they will have to pay 70 or 80 percent somewhere down the lane...when they are vulnerable.
After all each of those outfits would want its share of flesh and pittance is not what they would be agreeable to.
When we impose something by force, we indirectly force ourselves to never be vulnerable. That ...can never happen.
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@LindaOHio (156383)
• United States
14 Nov
All I know is that I wish wars could end everywhere in the world; but we, as humans, will never learn. Have a good day.
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@vandana7 (98852)
• India
15 Nov
@LindaOHio We as humans segregate ourselves based on religion, nation, communities, color.....instead of uniting as human beings.
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@LindaOHio (156383)
• United States
15 Nov
@vandana7 I'm not sure what you mean.
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@BarBaraPrz (45501)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
14 Nov
Everyone wants things their own way...
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@BarBaraPrz (45501)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
14 Nov
@vandana7 People should just behave!
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@vandana7 (98852)
• India
14 Nov
True. But at times, it is purely political and monetary. Which is kinda...sad.
We Indians too faced a situation long ago when passengers were hijacked.
We were asked to pay ransom for citizens. Turn of the century.
You pay terrorists you increase terrorism. You don't, you lose citizens.
We paid. We gave in. We saved our folks then, only to lose some subsequently.
Was it a good bargain? Obviously not. But what choices do we have?
Same with Israel. Bargain to get the citizens out. Not opt for war.
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@vandana7 (98852)
• India
14 Nov
@BarBaraPrz No...the Kandahar episode...24th December, 1999. Flight 814, Indian Airlines. 155 passengers.
Two different outcomes to two different reactions from the leaders.
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@aninditasen (15741)
• Raurkela, India
14 Nov
Wars are the result of such hardliners outfits. Thus wars can't be stopped unless these outfits are not wiped out or subdued.
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@vandana7 (98852)
• India
15 Nov
@aninditasen If "smashing" was possible history would not be replete with issues resurfacing.
Terrorism can be stopped only by dialogue and negotiations.
As things stand, after World War II, the Europeans and Americans were so filled with sympathy about the Jews, that they agreed to give them some land of their own.
Now, we can give what we own. What we don't own how can we give?
Giving away Palestinians land which may have been historically land of the Jews and under Brit rule was not ok.
Palestinians too had sentiments for their homeland. Just because majority of nations agreed ...can you do that?
That is how this issue has surfaced. Which door can they knock when the world itself did not have consideration for them?
So they became terrorists. What I can''t enjoy, neither shall you.
There are many places in the world which are not inhabited. Abandoned cities. Countries earn no revenue from such places. These places could have been given. The UN could have collected funds from member nations, bought these properties and handed it over to jews. Right?
@aninditasen (15741)
• Raurkela, India
15 Nov
@vandana7 If the first group is smashed by the government in time this terror proliferation won't materialize but the main point is most politicians keep contact with the underworld and to some extent the terrorists for their own vested interest.
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