Do we really have right to speak on Israel Palestine conflict?

@vandana7 (98852)
India
December 17, 2023 1:35pm CST
I admit I am ignorant. There is a checkered history there, obliterating moral right .. rather making it so difficult to identify what is right and what is wrong that I feel swayed this way and that way all the time. I have soft corner for Jews. I have read a lot about holocaust and walked a mile in shoes of every one of those stories that I came across, including those Kapos. I don't think I would have been brave to defy...and defy for what...I would be just another person being killed by Zyklon B. I also have soft corner for the Germans now and Germans back then. Back then, it was difficult to defy the system. It was better to remain non commital at the best. Even that must have been difficult because it could be misread as finding the Nazi regime unacceptable. Moreover, the data being fed was such that people actually started believing in what was being told to them. Do we ever verify the news items? No. So they too did not. It is unfair on our part to look at contemporary Germans as Nazis ..because they had not control over the past, and their ancestors too were mistaken, which is not a sin. Did they know of holocaust? I guess not. Are there any news reports on holocaust? Not likely. Likewise, I feel sorry for Palestinians. The land was not theirs. But the Jews had left for greener pastures. So Palestinians settled there, survived there, in whatever manner. Historically, they may have driven Jews away. But the Jews did not exhibit any inclination to return to the promised land, till holocaust happened. Did they? So when the holocaust happened, the world leaders who had known what was happening in those camps, but had turned blind eye towards the atrocities, decided to relieve their conscience by giving Jews a country of their own. Good thought, bad implementation. They needed to persuade Palestinians to sell their lands, offering them money for their lands. Then Palestinians would not have any grouse. But as things stand, and hopefully, I am not wrong, they offered land to Israel without giving sufficient thought to the would be uprooted Palestinians. Just because it was a British colony does not entitle the Brits to uproot the settled folks. Does it? While rapes on October 7, and other murders are abhorring stuff, it makes me wonder why we the rest of the world did not object to Israel's settlement in West Bank. That would have prevented the October 7 atrocities perhaps. It is, therefore, natural for Palestinians to take extreme steps because the world has not bothered to understand them, and their plight.
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@LadyDuck (458377)
• Switzerland
18 Dec
As I am Italian, I know that Italians could not go against the Fascism when Mussolini was the leader. They risked to go to jail and to be killed. When there is a Dictators, if you want to be brave enough to fight the regimen, you know that you risk your life. Most people prefer to go on hoping that the situation will eventually get better. The father of my husband was Jewish, I know even too much about the Holocaust, that said, I think that the civilians should never pay because of horrible leaders.
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@vandana7 (98852)
• India
20 Dec
Exactly Anna. Civilians are made to pay. Which is so bad. Because all may not have voted for the man and the manifesto does not reveal all the actions of the person later on. People have little or no control over the ruling party after casting their vote. Why then should they be punished? I feel the same way about the Palestinians. Their ancestors may have driven away the Jews. I am not sure about that part of the middle eastern history. It then seems unfair to punish the present generations for acts of ancient people. The other way round it is understandable. All in all, the conflicts could have been easily resolved with nations giving monies for resettlement of Palestinians / Israelis in other countries...instead of sparing for arms. The costs would be the same...if not less.
@LadyDuck (458377)
• Switzerland
21 Dec
@vandana7 - You are right, civilians can do very little do prevent dictators to rule a country. Palestinians descend from peoples who have inhabited the region of Palestine over the millennia. Despite various wars and exoduses, roughly one half of the Palestinian population reside in the territories of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The region was not originally Arab, it became as a consequence of the gradual inclusion of Palestine within the Islamic Caliphates established by Arabian tribes and their local allies. They are not very different from Jewish if you look at their history. I would say that they also have the right to have a country where to live. I agree, a much better agreement was needed, to establish a place where Palestinians can live and establish their homes and be finally their country. Humans always and only want to fight and civilians are killed. I wonder how many Palestinian children, with no sin, have been killed in the past 6 weeks.
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@LadyDuck (458377)
• Switzerland
23 Dec
@vandana7 - I think that Palestinians need a land, a country of their own, where they can build their houses, grow their children and be safe. Israel obtained a land, they are a country since 1946, they should understand that the others have the same right. They should sit around a table with the other nations and find a solution to this problem.
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@celticeagle (159173)
• Boise, Idaho
17 Dec
I have a soft place for the Jews too. I think having a dialogue helps us to learn.
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@vandana7 (98852)
• India
18 Dec
Yes, dialogue. If need be, ask all UN members to contribute some so that Palestinians can be settled somewhere. Israel too needs to cut slack.
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@celticeagle (159173)
• Boise, Idaho
18 Dec
@vandana7 .......It would be nice to see these things. I wonder if it will happen.
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@May2k8 (18089)
• Indonesia
21 Dec
I was confused about what to say. Previously, the first person to say the word independence for Indonesia was Palestine. And since the war has been going on non-stop, hospitals and facilities cannot operate and in the end everyone returns to their respective countries.
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@Deepizzaguy (94626)
• Lake Charles, Louisiana
17 Dec
I try to stay out of discussions related to the conflict between Hamas and Israel since I have no knowledge of the area when I studied American and Europe history in the schools in both the former Canal Zone in Panama as well as in Louisiana.
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@vandana7 (98852)
• India
18 Dec
Problem is, unless there is gore, we the ordinary people are not giving much thought to the situations. Palestinians who lost their properties, because of the decision following WWII, were not the same people who threw the Jews out from their homeland. They were the next generations....and were not guilty of the crimes of their ancestors. Are we willing to punish the next generations for the crimes of previous generations? Can we really know with certainty 100 percent situations of the past? Or why the Jews did not bother to reclaim the promised land the way Palestinians are doing now? This post is because an Israeli official said the world is ignoring rapes and murders of the kidnapped hostages. But ...that perhaps remained the only way to get the world to sit up, and do the right thing.
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@LindaOHio (156383)
• United States
18 Dec
I don't understand the conflict enough to comment; but it saddens me that humans still have not learned to get along. Hope you have a good week.
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