Indians we need to be logical too...

@vandana7 (99109)
India
May 3, 2024 1:30pm CST
I have come across people angry at Muslims saying why did they come here. Right...why indeed. Why should even Britishers have come? If nobody had come, we would not have overcome malaria, small pox, polio, and managed to control big diseases. Apart from build dams and establish system that have reduced hunger. Each era comes with its own thinking and ways. In Troy movie don't they show the temples being destroyed and plundered? Technologies change so what is possible today was not possible a few decades ago. We have to cut slack and not judge people and their behaviors in the past. While some were despots, we still have no right to condemn their children and future generations. Least of all those who are not related to those despots. But I digress from what I wanted to discuss. There is a general condemnation that Muslims forcibly converted Hindus to Islam. First, their scriptures don't permit that. But yes, a few despots tried that. So ... why did they do it? They were short of hands. Or they feared rebellion because of the following the person enjoyed. Invaders needed local hands for keeping the control since they come in limited numbers, and also lose some of their members during wars and other calamities like diseases and fatigue, diet changes, etc. But think from the perspective of the person who is forced to convert. We had no procedure to get them back in our Hindu fold till Raja Ram Mohan Roy established it. Once converted, we ostracized such people, instead of thinking of them as helpless folks. What is it about our religion that permits abandoning a helpless person? So a girl gets raped or divorced or deserted, instead of being sympathetic, we gossip, we condemn her for marriage? Why is our religion and culture so harsh? It boomerangs! So those who are ostracized ...would they feel happy at being ostracized? No! They will become defensive. They will also get support at such time from their new religion folks. Effectively, they become more devout, and feel happy at our downfall. Who should we blame? Ourselves. But that was not the only way we threw our people away. We fought within ourselves. Greed plus ego is a deadly combination. We did not confine ourselves to what we had, did we? Then why do we grumble against Muslim invaders? It was the norm of that era. Eat or be eaten. Then there are those who get into inconsolable situations. Life does throw lemons. Then our known gods don't seem to be helping. They try other faiths, and coincidences lead to favorable outcomes, establishing faith in them. Should we hate them and their future generations? Some may have converted to get favors as well. Merely because there are no reliable records and information about all such conversions doesn't mean all were forcibly converted or all those who were converted were bad. We could very well find our DNA in our Muslims. Please don't make it Hindu Muslim thing this elections.
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@TheHorse (207500)
• Walnut Creek, California
3 May
I don;t really care about a person's religion. But I do care that people have moral and ethical principles that they follow.
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@vandana7 (99109)
• India
3 May
I don't like to hurt others but if I am hurt, I will stoop to any level for hurting back. No moral and ethical principles there. LOL As I see it, if I tolerate it, absorb it, there will be another victim down the lane. This thing has to be stopped, and stopped in a way that helps many others take a lesson.
@psanasangma (6098)
• India
4 May
I still don't understand Why Hindu- Muslim always a thing during election campaign Question always arise Why?
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@vandana7 (99109)
• India
4 May
It polarizes votes. It is easy to blame other community for problems, instead of coming up with solutions. Hitler did that. So there were Germans vs. Jews. Always minorities are targeted. That is also the reason minorities try to increase their numbers so that they can carry some weight instead of being wiped out. It is the country that suffers while the politicians win another term or two.
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@vandana7 (99109)
• India
4 May
@psanasangma Yes, at the cost of the country.
• India
4 May
@vandana7 At the end it's all about the game to win the election
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@crossbones27 (48542)
• Mojave, California
3 May
Everything looks nice on the outside, what none of these religions preached is sustainable growth that things will change. Christianity kind of did it but was so far behind. Many people are now done with religion and they are just being respectful to the ones that still believe. That is your major enemy, not even each other.
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@vandana7 (99109)
• India
4 May
Basically, religion is not wrong for the era it was practiced. Like in ancient times, we used horses. Can we think of traveling on horses now? Religion should not stagnate. There should be some flexibility in it, just like in law books, each case or era requires pondering and establishing norms that will be for the good of all. Other problems with religion are because of variations in languages, pronunciations, cultural practices, etc. Meaning in original texts is lost if the teacher or preacher is not aware of both languages completely. That has not always been the case. Cultural practices like dowries get imported during the conversions. Muslims never took dowries till they converted folks out here. Now the Muslims of Indian subcontinent take dowries.
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• Mojave, California
4 May
@vandana7 Its not a corporation and you do not want it be one. Its a way of higher living, but only if true, sounds to strong, but for you, and thats fine. It always will bug me they try to bring it to the masses. Its why you get Israel/ Gaza. Nazi Germany even though pretty sure Germany not that religious at all anymore. Now here is the US of all places about to become Nazi Germany because people think their god which is bs here, no one believes it anymore just a excuse to say I am white and from here. These wet backs are not. Which is funny in its self because much of this land is from Mexico.
@sabtraversa (13097)
• Italy
3 May
I never had problems with Muslims. Sure, they come with rotten apples because every group does, but I'm thankful that, at some point in my life, I came to the realization that hating does nothing but closing your mind and preventing you from accessing valuable knowledge, wisdom and even genuine relationships. Then a forced conversion doesn't change your heart. I think Indian Muslims will always be Indian, perhaps cherishing their Hindu roots somewhere, somehow.
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@vandana7 (99109)
• India
3 May
Across generations cherishing Hindu roots? No. After persistent ostracization liking Hindus ..not likely. But liking the country YES. Why? Because elsewhere they cannot blend as well as they can here. They also get better standard of living. So there is no logical reason to hate this country without hurting self. If only Hindus would understand that.
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@sabtraversa (13097)
• Italy
3 May
@vandana7 I'm not familiar with the way it works there, but I'd suppose part of culture and customs is influenced by religion, so some things about Hinduism would persist, especially if the claim is that a conversion "was forced upon them". The same way Christianity is practiced differently in different parts of the world, Islam also comes in different forms. I wouldn't call Sikhism a Hindu version of Islam, but you get the point. Then of course, India is so diverse and it's been like that for a while. What defines nationality is a complex matter, basing the notion of being Indian on one ethnicity, language or religion wouldn't work unless you embrace Nazism, the Germans called themselves Aryans too. Woah, what an escalation. Enough, enough.
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@LadyDuck (460355)
• Switzerland
4 May
The first humans come from an area in southern Mesopotania, so we all come from the Sumerian civilization. But we are all only capable to complain blaming the others. Who cares if someone has a different religion, different habits and a different colour of skin. We are all humans, if I am respected, I respect.
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@vandana7 (99109)
• India
4 May
Here, I have found most whites interacting with me, and even very friendly with me. They don't condemn me for my religion, my skin color, my culture, etc. I am not isolated nor discriminated against, even when I come up with very controversial opinions or posts. We are in superior world I feel. :)
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@LadyDuck (460355)
• Switzerland
4 May
@vandana7 Correct, in myLot we live in a superior world. We are all friends here and this is why I love so much this site.
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@just4him (308619)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
4 May
It's sad people ostracize those who convert to other religions.
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@vandana7 (99109)
• India
4 May
There are inconsistencies in each religion. But I find both Islam and Christianity making more sense. The more ancient a religion, the less I can relate to it. Simply because the situation that existed originally does not exist now and it is hard to imagine as well.
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@just4him (308619)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
4 May
@vandana7 Christianity is only 2000 years old and easy to relate to.
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@celticeagle (159936)
• Boise, Idaho
3 May
Trump has said some awful things about the Muslims. I'm not a religious person.
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@celticeagle (159936)
• Boise, Idaho
4 May
@vandana7 .......That's true.
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@vandana7 (99109)
• India
4 May
When we say nasty things about another religion, we kinda make them regroup out of insecurity and effectively make them stronger.
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