Tell Me Why I Should Believe Bill Clinton Will Go Down In History As a Good Pres

William Jefferson Clinton - image of William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States.
@gifana (4836)
Portugal
January 23, 2007 10:26am CST
I'm plagerizing another topic but I was in a discussion at lunchtime with a couple of Portuguese who kept telling me how great Bill Clinton was and how bad George W. Bush is. But Before I go any further please note that I am a registered Republican because of my conversative values.....but I vote the candidate not the party. Please do not tell me about his personal pros and cons. I don't want to hear about Jennifer Flowers, the employee in Arkansas, Monica Lewinsky, White Water or anything that happened before he went to the White House. I am only interested in responses concerning his performance as the President of the United States. I only have one thing in favor of Bill Clinton, which I will not reveal until someone else mentions the same attribute that I give him a plus for. My comments will accompany your responses. I would like responses from all parties and nationalities....because I know that some foreigners have their opinion of the man as president just like the rest of us. Looking forward to see if you can convince me that he was worthy of being acclaimed by foreigners (mainly because I live outside my country) and their erroneous ideas (from my point of view). Help me to appreciate his good points, if he has any in your mind.
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@clownfish (3277)
• United States
23 Jan 07
Hi! I was not a democrat during Clinton's presidency and I listened to all the criticism against him. So, I wasn't a Clinton fan to begin with. I'll tell you what changed my mind about him, though. He was introspective and he's the first president I've ever seen who evaluated what he did and admitted he made mistakes. I saw an article he wrote about a situation he handled (I don't remember the details) but he wrote that he was wrong and he wished he'd have done things differently. I admire that quality greatly in a person - the ability to evaluate what they've done and admit it was wrong. It takes a strong man with a strong character to be able to do that. That's why I like Bill Clinton today. :-)
@gifana (4836)
• Portugal
23 Jan 07
While I agree with you in principle I do not find it appropos to Clinton. He had no alternitive because everyone knew that he made mistakes. However, he was not always truthful when he should have been. To me he just didn't represent the ordinary American during his youth and it seemed to me that he was trying to polish his blemished image in the Vietnam era. Thanks for your input.
@clownfish (3277)
• United States
23 Jan 07
Wow. If I'd have known I was in effect "climbing a greased pole" with this conversation, I wouldn't have joined in LOL
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@gifana (4836)
• Portugal
23 Jan 07
I'm sorry if I have offended you but I am entitled to my opinion. He did have one good attribute but I'm afraid you didn't hit upon what I think was the only good part of his presidency. He was not a complete failure.
@wmg2006 (5383)
• United States
24 Jan 07
The only thing I know Clinton did that was commendable was he kept the US out of war. So maybe he was better at diplomacy than other Presidents. I am from the US and I did not vote for him nor did I care for the way he acted as President. But any president that can negotiate on a diplomatic level gets my attention.
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@gifana (4836)
• Portugal
26 Jan 07
What wars did he keep us out of? Clinton could talk the smell out of a skunk and probably win the Nobel Prize for doing so. Where, when and with whom were these diplomatic negotations? He's done more outside the Oval Office than he ever did now that he has left the White House.
• United States
29 Jan 07
Bosnia ? Kosovo? Invading an UN recognized legal government by areial bombardment while giving support to terrorists? Collateral damage in the thousands of innocents deaths? This is keeping the USA out of war? This war ordered by Clinton actually was an illegal war as opposed to Iraq, which was not illegal as Saddam had violated the ceasefire agreement of the first Iraq war. I strongly suspect that 100's of thousands of collateral damage victim's relatives will hate the USA for 50 years or more. Because of Bill Clinton. Moving on, how about Somalia? You think Bill Clinton kept us out of war?
@gifana (4836)
• Portugal
3 Feb 07
Thanks pink for coming to my rescue. Those "wars" had slipped my mind....must have had several senior moments. However, wasn't the reason in Bosnia and Kosovo based on genocide? Something that always seems to ruffle a few feathers.
@janet069 (663)
• United States
25 Jan 07
I know you said no more response but I wanted to put in my 2 cents. The economy was better and the budget was balanced under Clinton. The foreign countries didn't hate him the way they do Bush. His mistakes were personal and didn't affect the way he did his job. They were embarrassing but only because he lived in a fish bowl. If I was unfaithful to my husband I would still be able to do my job and it probably wouldn't make the nationwide headlines. I would have to live with my conscience just as he does. He wasn't perfect, none of them are but I do think we were better off then than now.
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@gifana (4836)
• Portugal
26 Jan 07
I am not going tomment on this because it will raise too many feathers. All I will say that the comments made here in Portugal were that Americans like me were too puritanical. Clinton was just being a man and got caught. The fact that he was a felon and should be tried didn't enter into their equation. He was handsome....women said he was "cute". Is this the image you want your President to have? Clinton has a history of embarrasing mistakes. Take the time when he was on a Fulbright Scholarship in Oxford and he demonstrated openly in England against his own country. I am not saying that he didn't have the right to be against the war in Vietnam but not in a foreign country where he was studying at the expense of the taxpayers. Plus he was only there because he some cronies that kept getting him into colleges so that he could legitimately dodge the draft.
• United States
5 Feb 07
The economy was not better under Clinton. We have lower unemployment now and the stock market is higher under Bush. The budget was balanced only after the republicans took control of the congress led by Newt.
• United States
5 Feb 07
Bill Clinton will go down as a good president only in the eyes of the democrats, the liberal hollywood and the news media which I believe is bias. The econonly was okay under Clinton but that was a matter of timing instead of anything Clinton while head of state. The budget was balanced only when the republicans took control of congress under the lead of Newt. Then you can look at the fact he turned a blind eye towards the gaining islamic terrorist threat. We had been attacked many times in the 90's by terrorist and Clinton didnt do anything about it because he was more concered about approval polls then fighting the enemy. He even had a chance to get Osama but failed. When you put all this thing together you would have to be he was a failure as a president.
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@gifana (4836)
• Portugal
6 Feb 07
You have hit the nail on the head. There are so many contradictions in Clinton's administration and most of them center on he himself. The fact that he had a Republican Congress not only helped him but it also helped the people. Many Democrats fail to point this out when they start blubbering about him. Oh well, let's hope we don't have to deal with Hillary and a Democratic Congress. Thanks for dropping by and for your input. And welcome to myLot...as it seems you are a newbie.
@snowflake5 (1579)
• United States
29 Jan 07
Why do people abroad think Clinton was a great president? Because he's the most RECENT president who was any good (it's a truth universally acknowledged that Bush is a bad president). People's memories rarely stretch back further than 15/16 years. If people remember George Bush Senior they admire him for putting the coalition together for the first Gulf War, but don't rate him for his recession. Hardly anyone remembers Reagan - those who do give him credit for making peace with the Soviet Union against the advice of his advisors, but they also remember his Alzeimers-induced gaffes in the final years. Above all Clinton looks good compared to Bush. Clinton could just send a gunboat to patrol in foreign waters, and foreign powers would tremble. By contrast, people just laugh at Bush, and the more gradiose his statements the more they laugh, because he has finally exposed the limits of American power. If you are losing a war against a poor state that was weakened by a decade of sanctions and lack of imports, you'll lose a war against pretty much everyone else, and everyone on earth knows it. Hurricane Katrina was also very significant. A superpower is one so strong that they can not only look after themselves they can look after others. Katrina showed America struggling to look after herself. Even Bangladesh, the poorest country in the world, send aid money - and their money was accepted! Bush will be remembered as the president who inherited a superpower and reduced her to just another country. Make no mistake, his administration is a turning point in history. By conrast ALL the previous presidents look good, even Nixon and Carter.
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@gifana (4836)
• Portugal
3 Feb 07
Points taken. However, conditions oft times are contradictory. Everyone hated Harry S Truman because he dropped the first Atomic Bomb. The opposition tried to put the blame on the military advisers but he said no way...the buck stops here. He took all the blame/praise. However, I agree with you that Americans have a short memory span and it usually doesn't go beyond 10 years or so. The like or hate what they have got based on what they had or didnt have. They like to have their cake and eat it too. As far as Bush is concerned we will just have to wait and see come the next elections and see if Mrs. Hillary (Bill) Clinton gets a "shoe" in.
@pemaldak (79)
• United States
29 Jan 07
Hey, gifana! Were you able to write "Bill Clinton" and "Go Down" in the same sentence and keep a straight face? LOL
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@gifana (4836)
• Portugal
3 Feb 07
I was until now. roflmao....I didn't catch that. Must have been a "slip of the tongue". hehehehehe
@nw1911guy (1134)
• United States
29 Jan 07
Personally, I don't have one good thing to say about him. The man bypassed congress and the house by signing in more Executive Orders than all previous presidents of the US combined. To me, that is a grievous abuse of power.
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@gifana (4836)
• Portugal
3 Feb 07
We all have our faults but there is also some good points too. We did make inroads while he was in office...no one, not even I, can contradict that. I keep forgetting about the Executive Orders and their importance (at times). Thanks for that excellent input.
@Netsbridge (3242)
• United States
25 Jan 07
I am neither a republican nor a democrat; I am simply a commonsense logician - simply accept the good and fair of ideas. Anyway, despite his weakness with his pants, the man was a good-natured person. He sought to stand for the rights of all Americans; making sure people were viewed, at government level, by the laws of the land (and not according to their personal preferences!) I personally think that that was note-worthy.
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@gifana (4836)
• Portugal
26 Jan 07
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Thank you for your input.