America or GodFather ???

my thoughts exactly. are we building bases to wage war, or waging wars to build bases? are we protecting people or our assets? are we giving people the choice or forcing them to chose our way? in 2002 the administration told us that iraq, iran, north korea, zimbabwe, cuba, belarus, burma were an axis of evil. i'm not completely sure on the definition of axis, but i thought an axis was a group of countries involved in a pact. not just those countries that don't agree with us, surely they have to be agreeing with each other to be an axis? it's clever though, hear someone decribe a group of countries as an axis what do we first think of? ofcourse! nazi germany, italy, japan etc (the ones that did sign a pact). although it would seem they have carelessly used this word incorrectly, its blatently obvious that they spacifically chose such an emotive word that would remind us of 'evils'. 'oh well if they're an axis well then they must be bad and trying to gang up on us, harm us amd all that, quick destroy the b'stards!!'

4ftfingers, you just mentioned something about choice of words/phrases that is very note-worthy! You know, this is indeed a customary practice with the said governments: They would use synonymous or complimentary words that have nothing whatsoever to do with the issue at hand, just in order to confuse and throw people off base. For example: 1). The UN was indeed an attempt at neo-colonialism and globalization, which backfired on its originators (who actually never counted on "developing nations" to get that involved and demand equality). However, if a nation that was capable of reading between the lines deducted the motive and refused to join the league or "UNITED NATIONS", it was termed hostile for simply exercising its free choice. 2). US PATRIOT Act II - PATRIOT! Anyone who even questions a clause in the "Patriot Act" is automatically considered unAmerican, regardless of the inclusions violating the very basic rights of the American nationals! 3). The unnecessary war on "TERRORISM" and/or "FREEDOM" in Iraq - anyone that disputes the legality, sees the hypocrisy and questions the logic of the entire saga is automatically called "anti-Bush", etc. They use synonymous words and phrases to sway the gullibles! And one better not have an opinion different from theirs; else, one is a "terrorist"! But as someone already said, "you can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time!" Very good thinking, 4ftfingers! Keep it up!

First of all, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were results of a brutal war which Japan started by attacking a nuetral countries. I don't agree with dropping those bombs on cities, but it did save us from invading Japan, which was projected to cost over a million lives, American and Japanese. America, Israel and Russia have nukes, but they are not threatening to wipe other countries off the face of the earth. Iran IS threatening to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, however, and they have made it no secret. So we are supposed to stand by while Iran tries to get nukes? Britain has nukes. Is anyone afraid they will start a nuclear war? No, but everyone is afraid of Iran using nukes. There is no double standard. The nukes are not dangerous. Iran is, as well as North Korea and Syria. They all have appalling human rights records (which you seem to ignore). So America, a democracy, can olnly survive by plundering? What have we plundered, and how, specifically? And why do you think that TERRORISM (blowing up women and children, beheading nuetral journalists) is excusable? And why do "freedom fighters" always end up being the worst human-rights violators when in power? I like it best how George Carlin said it: "If crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?"

You can't always get rid of the individual crazies, like the guy who shot up 19 schoolchildren in Dunkirk Scotland a few years ago. You CAN fight terrorist organizations, by killing the terrorists, freezing their assets, discouraging state sponsorship, etc.) War has been around forever, yes, but I thought we were in a more enlightened age where people didn't deliberately target women and children. I guess you will give terrorists a pass, 4ftfingers, because it has been around forever anyway. So I guess eradicating institutionalized slavery in the American civil war was pretty stupid too, since slavery has been around forever. That cost 500,000 american lives. Was that worth it? This generation must fight radical, militant islamists. They are not "freedom-fighters." They seek to impose sharia law on other groups of people, which diminishes freedom. Instead, you think the biggest problem is pollution? To put it bluntly, you seem very uninformed, and confused. Name ONE person who was killed solely because of pollution. I can find the names of thousands who have been solely killed by terror.