is the word foreigner racist

@ESKARENA1 (18261)
March 1, 2007 4:26pm CST
Here in the uk a man has lost his fight to overturn a charge of racial abuse for calling some women foreigners, isnt this taking political correctness too far?
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@anonymili (3138)
5 Mar 07
I'm somewhat confused by this discussion. I'm British and Indian and born here in London. I haven't heard about this case but it's ridiculous that someone got done for racial abuse for referring to people as foreigners. Wow, that truly is P.C. gone barmy! I've been called a foreigner before in England and by someone who was white but certainly not English (I could tell from hisaccent); I just laughed it off, it wasn't worth getting the hump about and I wasn't going to ask him where he was from that he had such a non-English accent. If it made him feel better to call me a foreigner, well good luck to him! People are just jumping on too many bandwagons these days and too much time is wasted in courts and tribunals when people start crying racism and the like! As if there weren't enough "real" criminal cases which needed the courts' attention, ho hum! :)
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
6 Mar 07
ho hum indeed Lol, it caught my attention as it was carried by the press. In truth, I think it was a drunken yob who was being generally obnoxious and was prosecuted for the abuse as a way of getting him to moderate his behaviour blessed be
@design (849)
• Ireland
5 Mar 07
I don't find the word foreigner racist, well I hope it's not, It's a word I'd use for someone not from my country. If I'm abroad I have no problem being referred to as a foreigner as that's exactly what I am. Political correctness has gone way to far, In England the Irish are referred to as Paddy's an I insulted ? No and either are most Irish.
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
5 Mar 07
too true, but in England it does appear to be the case, it is now an offence to use the word when refering to people who are not indiginous to your country blessed be
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
2 Mar 07
Yes it is taking it to far and all I can say is it would be better if here in the UK we just don't say anything anymore as we just get in trouble for it, our Freedom has been taken away from us. So we might aswell just stay Stumm and then we won't get into trouble.
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
4 Mar 07
its certainly looking that way, maybe its because throughout history we have always talked the way forward, maybe the rest of the world think if we sit in silence, the rest of the world can either catch up or start speaking french lol blessed be
• United States
4 Mar 07
i dont understand how calling women forenighers is racists in the least. i see the word foreigner meaning someone not in their own country. they are different because the country they are in is not their own. and we can ALL be foreigners at some point in our lives even within our own country. If i went to florida( me in IL) i would consider those people foreigners because they are different to ME but i would be to them.
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
4 Mar 07
Absolutely right my friend. It is testament to how far we have fallen that any such thing could even be considered blessed be
@ricknkae (1721)
• United States
2 Mar 07
I would say that to my opinion the word"foreigner" in itself is not racist but like everything else, we need the context. The context can change everything ... for instance the female dog word can be just a simple word if you are in a canine context but can easily become an insult ... and you know what I mean Here, I would say it depends on how the word was used because if that person said something like 'I hate foreigners' or 'you foreigners should go home' that would definately be racist ... don;t you think ? Do you know about the context of the story ?
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
2 Mar 07
but i still dont see how the word forigner can be demeaning, whatever the context
@beaniegdi (1964)
2 Mar 07
Not really. why was he calling a group of women foreigners in the first place, it sounds just from what you have said here that he was being abusive. The fact that the word itself in normal use would not necessarily be offensive does not mean that in other circumstances it would not be thought of as racial abuse. The name for a female dog is not in itself offensive but if someone shouted that at a woman in the street it would be offensive and threatening. So it is not the word so much as the context that the word is used that causes it to be either harmless or offensive.
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
2 Mar 07
however, the word foreigner is not demeaning, it puzzles me how it could be seen as so even if shouted in anger
@ownado (1679)
• Portugal
1 Mar 07
I don't think foreign is a racist insult... it just tells that someone is some country is has not been born in that country and that's all, I don't see any racism there.
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
2 Mar 07
thank you for your addition to debate
2 Mar 07
yes it is going too far, foreigner means belonging to another country now what could be possibly racist about making a remark like that? If they had been referred to as comming from whatever country it was then yes that would be a racial abuse.tc xx
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
2 Mar 07
the law lords turned out the appeal because she believed to allow it would mean allowing all forms of racist abuse as long as it was generalised
@judyt00 (3497)
• Canada
1 Mar 07
only if the women were truly foreigners, and not landed immigrants. But i think its terrible that native citizens are being punished for not wanting to hlive the way the foreigners insist we now do so
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
2 Mar 07
this seems to be happening a lot. Im all for diversity, inclusiveness and tolleration but this should include everyone, even those with out moded ideas and language , surely
@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
1 Mar 07
For me personally, the word foreigner means someone of different nationality or different race. I don't mind being called foreigner if I am not Canadian or being Asian living among Caucasians. There are more insulting racist words out there that should be banned.
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
2 Mar 07
yes, agreed. The fact remains if you are outside of your country of birth, then you are a foreigner, its nothing to do with racism, just a generalised term for any non indiginous person
• United States
2 Mar 07
If I am in another country other than my own I am a foreigner to that country, I see nothing racisit about the use of that word. I do think that is carrying things a bit to far.
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
2 Mar 07
im with you. Foreign to me is a general term for anything not indiginous to the country you are in. Any other word does not discribe the concept and is therefore inaccurate blessed be
@arcadian (930)
• United States
2 Mar 07
So being a foreigner in the UK is by legal definition being amember of a race apart from Brits. I can't stop laughing. I knew Brits all had a sense of humor, but even judges???!Not to mention the most severe case of elitism anywhere. This is the funniest thing I've heard in a while. I know the issue is -well serious, but good god almighty its so absurd.
@ESKARENA1 (18261)
2 Mar 07
hahaha too true. Well the law lords in the house of lords ruled on it yesterday and said the apeal against conviction could not be allowed because to allow it would mean the same argument could be made about a person who showed hostility to all non whites irrespective of the particular racial group they belonged and can therefore not be right as a matter of language. We must be very careful not to describe anything as foreign anymore, we need to find an alternative omg it just gets worse
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@tarsadawn (350)
• United States
2 Mar 07
Geez...I hope it's not racist. I have said it before. It's awful that there is so much Political correctiveness in the word today.
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
2 Mar 07
i think political correctness may well lead to intellectual retardation and illiteracy, its a terrible plague on our language