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myLot reputation of 77/100. whiteheather39 (10878)   ranked 1,682 out of 28,135 in people2 years ago

As I have read and heard that people want to try and deny us the right to purchase firearms in view of the recent massacre in Virginia but the way I read the following article that we have laws in place that should have prevented this mentally disturbed young man from buying the guns, it comes down to the laws not being enforced. Federal and State laws seem to differ on who should be telling whom what! The article states "The source of the confusion is the relation between federal and state law." So now it brings me to my request for your opinions...Why was this allowed to happen and be instrumental in causing this tragedy to take place?


Rules Should Have Barred Weapon PurchaseMcLEAN, Va. (AP) - A judge's ruling on Cho Seung-Hui's mental health should have barred him from purchasing the handguns he used in the Virginia Tech massacre, according to federal regulations. But it was unclear whether anybody had an obligation to inform federal authorities because of loopholes in the law that governs Background Checks.

Cho purchased two handguns in February and March, and was subject to federal and state background checks both times. The checks turned up no problems, despite a judge's ruling in December 2005 that Cho "presents an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness."

"On the face of it, he should have been blocked under federal law," said Denis Henigan, legal director of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

The 23-year-old South Korean immigrant was evaluated by a psychiatric hospital after he was accused of stalking two women and photographing female students in class with his cell phone. His violence-filled writings were so disturbing that professors begged him to get counseling.

The language of the ruling by Special Justice Paul M. Barnett almost identically tracks federal regulations from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Those rules bar the sale of guns to individuals who have been "adjudicated mentally defective."

The definition outlined in the regulations is "a determination by a court ... or other lawful authority that a person as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness ... is a danger to himself or to others."

Virginia State Police send information on prohibited buyers to the federal government. They maintain that the sale was legal under state law and would have been barred only if the justice had committed Cho to a psychiatric hospital. Barnett ordered outpatient treatment instead.

The state uses a slightly different standard than the federal government, barring sales to individuals who have been judged "mentally incapacitated."

George Burke, a spokesman for Democratic Rep. Carolyn McCarthy of New York, said millions of criminal and mental-health records are not accessible to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, mostly because state and local governments lack the money to submit the records.

Initially states were required to provide all relevant information to federal authorities when the instant background checks were enacted, but a U.S. Supreme Court ruling relieved them of that obligation.

"The law is very confused about this," said Richard Bonnie, a professor of law and psychiatry at the University of Virginia who heads a state commission on mental-health reform. "The source of the confusion is the relation between federal and state law."

Also Thursday, the owner of an Internet gun store based in Green Bay, Wis., told The Associated Press that Cho used his Web site to purchase one of the weapons used in the shootings. Cho paid $268 for the gun.

Eric Thompson, who runs, said the Walther .22-caliber handgun was then shipped to a Virginia pawnbroker so Cho could pick it up.http://www.thegunsource.com

Thompson said he had no idea his business was involved until he was contacted Tuesday by ATF agents.

"I just feel absolutely terrible that this tragedy even happened in the first place," he said.

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1. myLot reputation of 96/100. GardenGerty (15054)   ranked 738 out of 28,135 in people   2 years ago

I guess that besides this conflict, I wonder how much HIPPA regulations play into this. Were they allowed to reveal the extent of his illness, because so often that is the case anymore. When I worked in Nursing Homes we could receive residents who were of danger to self or others, but couldn't be told. Was this part of the problem, as well, that details of his danger to self and others had to be kept private.
I also seriously object to anyone being able to purchase weapons online, there are just too many ways for it to go wrong.

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2. myLot reputation of 94/100. Lakota12 (12504)   ranked 198 out of 28,135 in people   2 years ago

No matter what state I have lived in and wanted to buy a gun I had to have proof I was a resident of that state and fill out a form and wait 7 days for it to be sent off and checked for what ever they check for. I always got the gun I wanted.
ANd now we have the internet the boy bought one over the internet and of cource I doubt that he had to sign the registration form this way to be checked out. I feel bad for the man that sold the gun to him for he never knew!
But even at that If Cho wanted a gun bad enough he didnt have to go thru these channels at all he could have gone bought it on the street would have cost more but he could get it.

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3. myLot reputation of 37/100. huafeihua116 (405)   ranked 3,533 out of 28,135 in people   2 years ago

too many people so.

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4. myLot reputation of 98/100. lonewolfnan (2845)   ranked 4,442 out of 28,135 in people   2 years ago

As more and more information is revealed,we are all becoming more aware of the lack of communication between all the various law enforcement that are suppose to be in place to protect the people and their rights.The police agencies continue to argue over whose juristiction things occur .There are many obvious flaws in our current system and with the introduction of the computer communication should be much better!

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