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The Donner Party: could the tragedy have been prevented? email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 99/100. Woodpigeon (2603)   ranked 18 out of 368 in history3 years ago

The Donner Party was a group of California-bound settlers who set out on their famous trip in the 1846. After becoming snowbound in the Sierra Nevada in the winter of 1846–1847, some of the group was forced into cannibalism.

When it was discovered that the group, which included many women and children, were snowbound, Californians rallied to save the Donner Party. Four rescue parties, or 'reliefs' were sent out.

When the First Relief arrived, 14 had already died and the rest were very weak. Most had been surviving on boiled ox hide, but there had been no cannibalism. The First Relief set out with 21 refugees on February 22.

When the Second Relief arrived a single week later, they found that some of the 31 emigrants left behind at the camps had begun to eat the dead. The Second Relief took 17 emigrants with them, the Third Relief four.

By the time the Fourth Relief had reached the camp, only one man was alive. The last member of the Donner Party arrived at Sutter's Fort on April 29.

Of the original 87 pioneers, 39 died and 48 survived.

It was a terrible tragedy that haunts Californians to this day. Could it have been prevented? Should they have resorted to cannibalism?

 
 
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KarenO52 (2547) response was accepted on 4/24/2007.
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1. myLot reputation of 84/100. alfieklondyke (1049)   ranked 43 out of 368 in history   3 years ago

That sounds a terrifying situation to find yourself in.

Who knows until finding yourelf in that situation what you would be capable of doing to survive.

Was there a qualified chef in the party who would be able to select the best cuts?

Was there a supply of herb and spices?

Was there a couple of tender young fatties in the group?

These are all important points to take on board before you could truely make a decission.

I hope my intelligently thought out response helps.

It is always better to have a friend for dinner rather than a stranger.


myLot reputation of 99/100. Woodpigeon (2603)   ranked 18 out of 368 in history  3 years ago

Oh Alf! I have to be serious sometimes, so I will refran from discussion what a shame it was your cat and the cheese weren't on the trip!


myLot reputation of 84/100. alfieklondyke (1049)   ranked 43 out of 368 in history  3 years ago

I understand! I started all serious and lapsed back into banality!

I just can't help it!

Perhaps it would of been better if i had been on the trip!

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2. myLot reputation of 100/100. KarenO52 (2547)   ranked 160 out of 368 in history   3 years ago

That's such a gruesome story, those people so desperate that they had to resort to eating the dead. The relief efforts were inadequate, and after the first relief efforts, more died. As the survivors waited for the next relief, they must have given up hope of staying alive without cannibalism. They might have stayed alive without it, but imagine how they must have felt seeing the others die. One good thing that came out of this is that more relief efforts were started to help those traveling along the same routes, seeking those that might need help, and bringing food and supplies.


myLot reputation of 99/100. Woodpigeon (2603)   ranked 18 out of 368 in history  3 years ago

I think a huge part of the problem was the number of children on the expidition. I think if you are watching your children die, you start considering every available option.

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3. myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (15235)   ranked 1 out of 368 in history   3 years ago

I read a whole big study on the Donner Party. There were about a dozen missteps they made that ended up with them getting snowed into the Donner Pass. Honestly, if they hadn't taken all of those missteps, they never would've ended up where they were & in the straits they were in.

Is what they did bad, no. It was what it took to survive. It was very sad, but its not like they killed anyone to eat them.

Fact is, there have been several occations that trains have also gotten snowed into Donner Pass after the tracks were laid thru there. It just seems that the pass is very much prone to heavy snow falls every few years.


myLot reputation of 99/100. Woodpigeon (2603)   ranked 18 out of 368 in history  3 years ago

I have a really good book by Houghton, and put out by the Sierra State Foundation. I was even lucky enough to visit the museum many years ago.

I find the bravery of the pioneers fascinating, but I agree, it was one wrong thing after another. I don't think they did anything wrong either, I think they were put in an impossible situation.


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (15235)   ranked 1 out of 368 in history  3 years ago

I totally agree. I feel that they were unable to make any other choices. We've seen too many cases in recent history not to know that we'd probably make the same choice, probably sooner than they did since we have even less respect for any lives but our own.

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4. myLot reputation of 97/100. susaneverson (4945)   ranked 331 out of 368 in history   3 years ago

There is an old axium that says "hindsight is 20-20"
I will not judge the people who resorted to cannibalism because I have never lived through what they have lived through and have nothing even close to compare it to.
It is a part of California history as the treatment of aboriganal is a part of American history.
There is nothing that can be done about the past today so my beleif is learn from it.
Teach the history to the people so that mistakes of this magnitude don't happen again. Susan

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