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myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition 5 years ago

We have suddenly acquired a flock of crows which are nesting in our cherry tree. I have lived here for twelve years and this is the first time they have arrived.

I am a country person and there is an abhorrance of crows too near the home as they are thought to be harbingers of death and sickness.

To be honest I am uncomfortable with them being there, although I do know this is a totally irrational fear, I wish they would go far, far away.

What do you know about crow folklore, have you found any of it to work out as being true, and what do you think of crows generally?

 

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1. myLot reputation of 95/100. PsychoDude (1968)   ranked 10 out of 18 in folklore and superstition   5 years ago

Living on the countryside myself as well those sort of stories have came by me as well, myself I kinda like crows though. I think it are quite nice looking birds to be honest, dunno why many people dislike them.


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

I don't disagree that they are nice looking birds, but I just like them to look pretty somewhere else, far away from my home.

Have you any idea where the superstition came from, as you are country folk too?

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2. myLot reputation of 98/100. saigonwarrior (779)   ranked 5 out of 18 in folklore and superstition   5 years ago

Crow were thought to be symbolic of spiritual and physical death and is often used in the occult. They also are social and travel in large groups. The calling sounds that they make are unnerving to say the least. I think a lot of people associate crows or ravens with witches/superstition and the like and that is why a lot of people just are uncomfortable around large flocks of crows.
Also the color, they are pure black may have some bearing on the feeling of doom when these birds are around. I used to hear stories when I was younger that if you saw a crow on your window sill it meant a death in the family. After hearing things like this as a child, how can one feel comfortable around such birds?


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Thank you for that :-) I don't mind the noise they make, I have three in here that can outwhistle and screech the pack of them lol. I just find that they have decided to roost here just as we have a double massive bereavement anniversary and a few family problems who have come home to roost.

When I was a child we would eat practically any meat but not crows.

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3. myLot reputation of 91/100. kathy77 (6833)   5 years ago

Oh yes I do not like the crows as well they are very annoying. Yes I have heard folklore stories about this that they are supposed to heath death and sickness from family members or someone close. I don't blame you wanting them to go far far away as I would as well. I do not like them at all as they used to swoop down low and take pieces out of people head here in Australia.


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Oh, great, is one more thing to worry about! I am just scared of them because of the unlucky reputation they have. If they take chunks out of me I am afraid it will be unlucky for them, extremely so. Hmmm wonder if I need to get my crash helmet back from gabs, sounds like I may need it.

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4. myLot reputation of 95/100. gabs8513 (23375)   5 years ago

Well your Birds scare me when they are on the loose and I accidentally open the Bathroom Door even though I had the warning they where in there
So what do you think I think of them
They scare me to where are they in your Garden cause I won't be sitting in there no more I will have the Barbaque in the Flat please thank you


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

oh flippin' 'eck! They are in the front garden, so you gotta get past them to get into the flat!!!! There are NONE in the back garden, where we are having the barbecue, hokey-cokey?

Oh, and Father in Law aint been back five minutes and he is causing trouble. Apparently ALL the birds are GIRLS and he was going to get a Boy bird just before he went abroad.

I think his ears are still ringing from my thoughts on that matter!


myLot reputation of 95/100. gabs8513 (23375)  5 years ago

Well how am I suppose to get in the Flat then??????
It is like the Film The Birds there for goodness sake
I can see me running up your Path in future just in case they decide to fly at me
Good idea lol about the Boy Bird hehehe
They are not very ladylike then scaring me like that I would only expect that of Male Birds lol ( no offense to Males I am on about Birds)


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Tell you what, you wear flat shoes, Other Half will take Gissi and I will use that blindfold I bought and gently lead you into the flat, how about that?

As to my Boys (they won't answer to Ladies, after all this time!) they are little Angels, honest!

If you support Other Half and Pa in Law in this absolutely ridiculous, aggravating, annoying, preposterous venture to breed these critters YOU can have the babies THERE until they are old enough to depart.

So I take it you are now firmly on my side, in all this (evil grin).


myLot reputation of 95/100. gabs8513 (23375)  5 years ago

Hmmmmmm Flat shoes is a know
And yes I am defiantly fully on your Side now no doubt about that what so ever
Do not get a Boy Bird please as I will have to move so you can't find me to give me the Babies


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

hee hee, you really think you could hide, a popular lady like you, and the famous Gissi? Nope. So you just make rooting sure they don't get that male bird, or you are going to be a Mummy for the hatchlings.

ohhhh, it is almost worth it, thinking about the videos we could make on that one tee hee


myLot reputation of 95/100. gabs8513 (23375)  5 years ago

You have no chance at all I will throw them out


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

I don't think Tinkerbell is evil enough to throw out tiny, dependent, cute little chickie wicks out.


myLot reputation of 95/100. gabs8513 (23375)  5 years ago

Well no but she will pass them to someone else I will not have Birds


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

aw c'mon gabs, where's your sense of adventure? They are only ickle tiny things when they are babies. It is only when the fledge that the problems start, a bit like when babies learn to toddle lol.


myLot reputation of 95/100. gabs8513 (23375)  5 years ago

No no no


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

You are just scared that you will get so attached to them you won't be able to part with them when the time comes. That is soooooooooooooo sweet!


myLot reputation of 95/100. gabs8513 (23375)  5 years ago

Mmmmmmmmmmm no I do not think so


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Aw, c'mon, live a little, love a lot :-)

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5. myLot reputation of 96/100. Lakota12 (23205)   ranked 4 out of 18 in folklore and superstition   5 years ago

all I know is my father in law would shoot them for they was bad for the farm. I have ravens here but they dont bother anything


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Yup, that was one way to deal with them, but my family would not even do that! Ravens are even bigger than crows yet they have a wise, rather revered reputation. Strange, isn't it?


myLot reputation of 98/100. Darkwing (7548)   ranked 3 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Hey girls! Ravens peck the eyes out of corpses. ha ha ha


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Cut it out darkwing, you have a very good sense of humour but I have enough trouble with Blondie as it is. If she reads this I shall need a tranquilising dart to get her in here!

Everyone else please note it is DEAD people they are said to peck the eyes out, and most carrion birds do that, along with stripping everything else edible that the other members of Nature's clean up team do not get!

Little thought, imagine the land fill problem if we didn't have the clean up team!

huggggggs :-)


myLot reputation of 98/100. Darkwing (7548)   ranked 3 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Lol... since when was there a "live" corpse, my friend? And well, if you speak of carrion birds, you're including crows, so...........!!! ;-p


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Well, Darkwing,I don't know about a live corpse but gabs will be catatonic if the things dive bomb her. I got crows out the front, doves and magpies out the back and a house alarm across the road that makes the whole kaboodle plus my three tweet for England. I can't hear the alarm but I can hear this lot!

I still don't like the crows though, however good they are. The changes you were saying about are happening and they are very stressful and still not sure which way they are going to jump. you will have to visit, bring the lavender tincture and seeds, and see what you make of all the vibes. Oh, second thoughts, better bring a lightning conductor too, you know why!


myLot reputation of 98/100. Darkwing (7548)   ranked 3 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

You mean I gotta climb up on the roof and take the darned lightning conductor down?!*!? Sheeeeeeeeeesh, that pantechnican on its way???

Ha ha ha


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Well, if you are game to take down the lightning condctor, can we have the film for Myspace?

GREAT idea about the pantechnican, we could store LOADS in there! Hmmmm, now, where on earth could we park the thing . . .

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6. myLot reputation of 98/100. Darkwing (7548)   ranked 3 out of 18 in folklore and superstition   5 years ago

Well, you had a crow in your house too a couple of weeks back, because I was born under the sign of Libra and the crow is my totem animal. ha ha ha! Less of the 'old'!:-(

Perhaps I tempted them along, or had you thought about the "bite" you got... could be relevant.
I'm pleased to tell you that crow lore is not all bad. What you say is true to lore but in contrast, Mr Crow knows the unknowable mysteries of creation and is the keeper of all sacred law. Crow medicine people are masters of illusion. You shouldn't even attempt to try and figure Mr Crow out for he is the power of the unknown at work, and something special is about to happen.

He is also the guardian of ceremonial magic and healing. In any healing circle, Mr Crow is present... he guides the magic of healing and the change in consciousness that will bring about a new reality and dispel "disease" or illness. You can rest assured that whenever crows are around, magic is nearby and you are about to experience a change in consciousness. Mr. Crow can give you the courage to enter the darkness of the void, which is the home of all that is not yet in form.

Mr Crow is an omen of change, and if he keeps appearing to you he may be telling you that you have a powerful voice when addressing issues that you do not quite understand or feel that they are out of balance. He is the bringer of messages from the spirit world, and is thought to dwell beyond the realm of time and space.

When you meet Mr Crow, he could be telling you that there will be changes in your life and that possibly you should step by the usual way you view reality and look into the inner realms... walk your talk...be prepared to let go of your old thinking and embrace a new way of viewing yourself and the world.

Does that make you feel a little better, my friend? I'm sure you can see the relevance, as I can, of what happened last week? It bears thinking about, don't you think?

A very interesting discussion, Shelagh, which has put my thoughts on another plane now. ha ha ha. Brightest Blessings my dear friend... have no fear. The negative lore was only triggered off by one event. Love and hugs. x + rating


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myLot reputation of 98/100. Darkwing (7548)   ranked 3 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

It also might interest you to know, Shelagh that Cherry Blossom is a sign of spiritual beauty; and the Cherry Tree, a sign of education.

Taking into account that Mr. Crow is a messenger from the spiritual world, and the cherry blossom is out at the moment, that kind of ties in, don't you think? :-)

Just an added thought, my friend. :-)


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Well, that is very interesting. Thank you very much darkwing and I am going to suspend all humour in this response apart from noting that you are nothing whatsoever like a crow! And, if you remember, I told you how young you look, which you do.

No, on to all this, which I have copied to refer back to.

The healing is very interesting since, as you know I am considering a Spiritual healer since all the orthodox medicine has failed.

The change, however, scares me to death. Every change I have ever had has been traumatic, sudden, and absolutely horrific, in some cases actually life threatening to myself.

In the context of our previous real world discussion, yes I am looking for the way, and maybe this is a Sign, since we have never had the Crows before, but I still would rather a different Messenger had called, as I am heavily conditioned to be terrified of them.

Many hugs and thanks and I will contemplate all that, my dear Friend.


myLot reputation of 98/100. Darkwing (7548)   ranked 3 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Well, I think maybe they visited you to bring the message, from the spiritual world, that spiritual healing could be a good choice by you. So perhaps put that feeling of doubt behind you and progress in faith?

The other thing you mentioned... yes, again, it could be a sign of acceptance. Tell me... have the crows been back since, and how many of them were there, three by any chance? I would be interested to know the answer to that.

Strange how many people fear crows, and that fear all grew from one event.


myLot reputation of 98/100. Darkwing (7548)   ranked 3 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Sorry Shelagh... I closed without thanking you for best response. That was a nice surprise... thank you!


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

I am certainly going to go to the healing clinic as nobody else has helped. I can't understand how somebody who is sick can actually heal others but the medics can't cure the healer - any ideas on that one?

I have only ever seen one at a time, but they don't travel in one's, I shall try to keep an eye on them and count, but I am in the rear room now, so I have doves and magpies (No, I ain't seen seven yet lol)outside the window.

Fear of crows has been inbred in me from three generations back. I am happier if they nest elsewhere. However, we shall see what they herald and where it leads me and where that road forks and so on. Will be interesting, won't it, and that is the important thing.



myLot reputation of 98/100. Darkwing (7548)   ranked 3 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Yes, interesting... I would keep a journal of when they come and when they go... how many, etc, etc.

You can do healing for yourself; we'll talk about that. :-)


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Well, now I am in the back room I don't really see them, but I do hear the cacophony of the little tweety voices all striving to out screech each other lol.

Yes, the healing advice would be very good please.


myLot reputation of 98/100. Darkwing (7548)   ranked 3 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Okie doke. We'll chat sometime soon.

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7. myLot reputation of 98/100. rainbow (3926)   ranked 2 out of 18 in folklore and superstition   5 years ago

Unpleasant, they look like little fat old men, lol. They can make a whole lot of noise and mess too.
We went on holiday near a rookery a couple of years ago and they were really scary, pecking things and pinching the rubbish etc. The noise from 3 - 4am was awful.
I think the common sense thing is that because they do go in the rubbish they can spread bugs but I havn't heard any folklore.
All I can think of is the use in magic where they are pinned on a door as a warning or to keep away evil spirits, depending on your beliefs.
I wouldn't feed the birds or leave anything edible around in the hopes that they move on when they've nested. Hope like heck they don't come back.


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Oh, these don't look very fat, they are just noisy and I don't like them because I have been brought up with a country dislike of the things.

I feed the other birds so I suppose they ironically also get nurtured by the person who would rather they went and lived somewhere else!

I would still rather they went somewhere else but they do seem very comfortable in the tree alas!


myLot reputation of 98/100. rainbow (3926)   ranked 2 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Bless you, maybe they'll get fed up and leave you in peace.


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Well if they do they will be the first species that has left me in peace! Normally they discover me and that is that. Here to stay. Maybe I shouldn't have called the place "Hotel California", you know, "you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave . . ."


myLot reputation of 98/100. rainbow (3926)   ranked 2 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Maybe they'll be on your side and attack the teenies when they get out of line!

Hotel Calafornia - such a lovely place, see why they're there!


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Actually it is a tip but it must have very good vibes as most people only come to spend an hour and end up leaving only very reluctantly as they feel they have to go home lol.


myLot reputation of 98/100. rainbow (3926)   ranked 2 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

People who really care come to see you not check for dust on the light switches!

A little mess is honest and homely, nothing wrong with tat at all, my home is very homely - we paly hunt the floor most days!

My dad can't sit in my lounge without going to sleep, lol.


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago


Well, strangely enough Alan can't stay awake in our lounge lol.

The place is not homely here it is a mess. They have shoved everything they don't want in the lounge into the bedroom without putting up shelves for my files etc and everything gets slung onto the bed by day and then piled up on the oak chest thing I am sitting on at night. Very unsatisfactory.

Funny really as I really do not like crows or magpies but the perishers have nested in the trees in the garden, I can't win, can I?


myLot reputation of 98/100. rainbow (3926)   ranked 2 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

http://www.crowbusters.com/begart15.htm

some crow stuff on there.

I had a magpie on my window bird feeder the other morning, never thouht he'd be cheaky enought to stand on the window sill pinching the doves treats and watching me make a drink bless him but they live a long time so I guess he knows I wouldn't scare him purposefully.

What I would say is that do you think the crows know about all the superstitions connected to them?


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago


Wow! You are on fine form tonight with some spectacular links, thank you very much :-)

The Magpie IS cheeky and he/she was probably eyeing up something shiny in your kitchen, so if you do lose something don't automatically blame the boys lol.

As to the crows knowing all the legends, research has just proved conclusively that ravens are more intelligent than both dolphins and monkeys, and crows are related so yes, I would suspect they know and that they revel in it!

hugs


myLot reputation of 98/100. rainbow (3926)   ranked 2 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

I never thought about the little monkey sizing the place up, bless.

If the birdies are anything like me they started the roumours themselves, lolol.


myLot reputation of 98/100. rainbow (3926)   ranked 2 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

You have to look at this, a site with all the raven lore you could ever wish you missed perhaps?
http://www.deardeath.com/raven.htm

hve fun with your feathered ones, cackle!


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

With friends like you rainbow . .

We have discovered sparrows, a pair of blackbirds, thrushes, and the inevitable starlings as well as the crows and magpies!


myLot reputation of 98/100. rainbow (3926)   ranked 2 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

yep, who needs enamys (i have no idea how to spell that, lol).

As a little sparrow myself that should tell you something. I'm going to quite while I'm ahead now, before I'm so sharp I cut myself.


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Never mind my dear, little sparrows are lovely and everyone wants a garden full of them.

Why do you want to be so sharp you can cut yourself, I thought you used the bread knife to do that?

ouch! me in moo mode!



myLot reputation of 98/100. rainbow (3926)   ranked 2 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Yes, beware of little sparrows with breadknifes flying round your garden, hee-hee, especially the ones that know that the way to a mans heart is a breadknife. I'm glad you wouldn't mind little sparrows in the garden, I'll talk to them about the knives, maybe they could help put up your greenhouse, tee-hee.

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8. myLot reputation of 96/100. mfpsassy (1178)   ranked 6 out of 18 in folklore and superstition   5 years ago

I don't mind them they are less annoying then that bird I did have (no I didn't choke it) My mother took it home yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I have humming birds that appear right in front of my face when I'm outside, and a woodpecker that has takin to my neighbors t.v. anntenea. Yep that's annoying


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Oh Sassy! You were supposed to bring the birdie over to me when you vist! Still bet it will cheer your Mum up no end.

However, a woodpecker lololololololetclolol

oh my! That is definitely worse than a cuckoo.

However, I have never seen a woodpecker in real life so I suppose you are lucky, in a funny sort of way.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mfpsassy (1178)   ranked 6 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Don't worry give her about a month And he will be all yours lol

Woodpeckers are pretty, but I thought they were called woodpeckers for a reason not anteanapeckers.

I do like the humming birds but I wish they would learn to stop scaring the begibbers out off me, I even got them a feeder and food. Aparently they still find it funny to give me a heart attack


myLot reputation of 100/100. shelagh77 (968)   ranked 1 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago



Oh Sassy, good job gabs doesn't live near you, she would be absolutely terrified of the humming birds.

I suppose they can give you a start as they are zippy little critters, aren't they?

I think a woodpecker is best where I have seen them, on TV, lol. I have enough noisy critters with hammers around here lol.



myLot reputation of 96/100. mfpsassy (1178)   ranked 6 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

Does Gabs like chipmunks? I have a couple of those who think it's okay to venture into the house when the door is open for awhile.


myLot reputation of 99/100. writersedge (7236)  5 years ago

I am a country person. We used to make scarecrows (people dummies that move). We used to use alluminum pie tins tied to poles that banged and scared them away from our gardens. My cat keeps them from coming down in my yard, except when he hunts far away.

In my area, they are saying to be very careful. The crows may have bird flu. If you find a dead crow, to alert the authorities, so they can test them. Don't touch them. So we are very happy to see them alive. Dead ones could mean that we have an epidemic on our hands. So far the dead ones are hundreds of miles south of us. We hope the problem clears up south of us and we don't get it up here. So be careful. Tell children not to touch dead birds.


myLot reputation of 99/100. writersedge (7236)  5 years ago

Sorry, I made a mistake! It's not bird flu south of us, it's West Nile, but they're also checking for bird flu.


myLot reputation of 96/100. mfpsassy (1178)   ranked 6 out of 18 in folklore and superstition  5 years ago

We have had a few cases of west nile, but not to many. We have had a couple of horses who they say have had it.

Between our dog and the cat the crows tend to stay way up in the trees.

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9. myLot reputation of 73/100. tejaswinee (494)   5 years ago

me too am scared if there are too many crows around..

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10. myLot reputation of 81/100. ChampagneGiggles (516)   5 years ago

Ya know, crows are bad luck if you see them by themselves, but in Wales, a pair of crows is a good omen. In New England, a pair of crows is bad luck but only if they're flying from the left. And seeing a dead crow in the road is supposed to bring good luck. But crows in a church yard are bad. I think generally, crows are feared and respected at the same time. Some in olden days would tip their hats to crows and ravens in order not to offend them. But I get a slight shudder too whenever I see a crow, raven, rook, or magpie. Royal birds of omens and death.

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The Rise of the crows!
Where I live in the U.K. it is suddenly very full of large black crows! Most of the year they are...
crowded college
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Animals depicted as being "evil"
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Do crows have a symbolic meaning?
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Ollie and the crows.
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