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myLot reputation of 99/100. KissThis (2638)   ranked 31 out of 9,012 in parenting 5 years ago

I adopted my two sons a couple of years ago. I am happy to be their mother. What most people don't know is that these boys are my great nephews. My niece has had a problem with drugs and alcohol since she was a teenager. One night she got drunk and decided to drive home with the older of the two boys in the car. He was about 11 months old at the time she was pregnant with the younger of the two. Anyway she wouldn't do what that judge required her to do to maintain the oldest one in her home so when he was 13 months old he was placed with me as a foster child. He would be returned to her when she completed drug treatment. About three months later she still hadn't even completed one week of treatment and she gave birth to the younger boy. He had some medical problems but the state said that she could take him to an in-patient treatment center so that they could bond. A week later she got herself kicked out and the baby placed in foster care. Two years later she still hadn't completed any of the treatments or parenting classes that the state asked her to so they asked the court to sever her parental righs to allow the boys to be adopted.

Now during this whold time I am jumping through each hoop that they ask me to like a train dog. I am going to parenting classes, changed jobs so that my hours ft around their schedule. I made sure that the state would have no reasons to complain about anything I did.

I ended up adopting both boys. My sons know that they are adopted and who their birth mother is. I have family members who are mad at me because I have refused to allow my niece to see the boys. Up until this past Christmas she has continued to drink and do drugs. They one time I did allow her to see the boys she made a point to encaourage the boys not to follow the rules. Which is very bad for the one because he has ADHD. My niece has asked me if we can start a new friendship between us. She wants us to be best friends. I don't feel comfortable doing that. I have been told that I am being childish and unfair in this situation. That the boys deserve to get to know thier birth mother. If you were in my situation would you allow her to see the boys? Or am I right to just leave things the way that they have been the last few years with us being seperate?

 

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1. myLot reputation of 95/100. drillerswife (1139)   5 years ago

Your niece sounds alot like my mom when she was younger and still going throough the phase but not as bad as she used to be. Whats being childish and unfair is your niece to her babies. If she wanted anything to do with them she shouldva stopped her partying and took care of them babies. Every child deserves to know their biolocial parents when they straighten their act up. If I were in this postion I might let her come over to my house when shes sober and not hungover to visit them babies. If she can do this a few times a month I might allow them to visit each other longer when shes over and when she proves to me that she can stay sober long enough to visit them babies then she might be able to take them to spend the night with her. But before the night spending shes going to have to prove that she can do it and its not gonna happen in a month or even 6 month period see what Im saying.


myLot reputation of 99/100. KissThis (2638)   ranked 31 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

The boys aren't babies anymore, they are 5 and 7 years old. I think part of my problem is I just don't trust her. I realize that she knows how to play mind games and I don't want her to do that with these boys. Thanks for responding.

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2. myLot reputation of 97/100. sunshine4 (6293)   ranked 38 out of 9,012 in parenting   5 years ago

I think that you are doing the right thing keeping these boys away from the birth mother. When they are old enough to decide if they want to associate with her or get to know her better this is when it will happen. I wouldn't give into others pressures if I were you. You are thinking about the well being of your children as you should be.


myLot reputation of 99/100. KissThis (2638)   ranked 31 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

I am trying to think of the well being. I am wondering if I am making some kind of mistake because of not allowing her to spend time with the boys now. I am wondering if the boys might resent me when they get older.


myLot reputation of 97/100. sunshine4 (6293)   ranked 38 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

I think that when your boys get older, they will understand that you were trying to protect them. Stick to your gut feeling. Right now the boys don't know what is best for them so they might want to see her. In the long run, she could do them more harm than good if she gets involved in their lives now.

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3. myLot reputation of 72/100. gaminemadcap (146)   ranked 2,560 out of 9,012 in parenting   5 years ago

If your niece wants a relationship with her boys (and you), then she needs to prove herself first. She needs to be clean for several months before she is allowed exposure to the boys. Then you should start with supervised visits (you being there when she's with the boys) and if that goes well, then you can allow her short unsupervised visits, and build up from there. Do not let your family judge you on your actions. These are your children (adopted or not) and you need to protect them. They are going to be exposed to a lot of bad things as they grow up, and they need to be able to feel safe within their family. If your niece refuses to agree to your terms, then her access to the children should be limited. Supervised visits may be okay under these condintions, as long as you are in control of the situation. This should be left to your discretion--you know your niece and how safe your children would be.

It is easy for outsiders to be judgemental and feel that they have a right to critisize your decisions. Do not let your family do this. They do not have the right to try and guilt you into anything. I come from a family where people have recovered from drug and alcohol abuse--and I'm currently reaping the consequences of a father who wasn't able to give up his drugs. Believe me, your children are better off not having a relationship with their mother than to grow up dealing with her mistakes. Remember that ultimately, this is your decision. If you decide to limit the boys' exposure to their mother, then when they get older (in their mid to late teens) you can let them decide if they want to get in touch with her. But for now, it is your decision. And remember that they are not being denied a mother--you seem to be doing a great job. If you weren't, then you wouldn't be concerned with this. You have my thoughts and prayers as you deal with this. This isn't an easy situation to deal with, but I'm sure that you'll do great. :)


myLot reputation of 99/100. KissThis (2638)   ranked 31 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

You give some wonderful advice as well as some good insight. I am trying to protect the boys from having to suffer the consequences of their biological moms mistakes. Do you regret that your father was allowed to remain in your life? See I limit how much time the boys spend in her presence that way they are able to see her but not be influenced by her that much. I have only done this a couple of times. Each time the boys have an attitude that they don't have to listen to rules. It takes a few days to straighten this back out. This is one of the reasons I avoid having to much contact.

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4. myLot reputation of 88/100. paulsy (1067)   ranked 566 out of 9,012 in parenting   5 years ago

At this point, I think you are doing the right thing. While your niece still has a problem with drugs and alcohol, it would not be advisable to allow her to influence her own children in her condition. Relatives and family members sometimes cannot understand the situation you are in. It is difficult enough to be in your position, raising 2 boys who already know that you are not their biological mother. Much more difficult to ensure that they will not be influenced into doing drugs and alcohol too, like their own mother. You have to explain to your family members and to your niece that in the future, if ever she (your niece) becomes completely well again, you may allow her to see and be with the children. But she has to make the decision to quit drugs and alcohol completely. It is not yet the end of the world. She has time to change. It is inevitable. Whether you like it or not, your sons will look for their mother in the future. As of now, I think you are doing the best to raise them the right way. Keep it up. Someday your boys will look back at all your efforts and realize that you made the right decision for the good of their future.


myLot reputation of 99/100. KissThis (2638)   ranked 31 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

I truly hope that you are right. I am trying to maintain a relationship between them but I am trying to make sure that it remains healthy for the boys sake. Thanks for responding.

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5. myLot reputation of 98/100. sacmom (7189)   ranked 1,923 out of 9,012 in parenting   5 years ago

Oh, this is a very tough situation. On the one hand she IS their birth mother and the kids have the right to see her, but on the other hand she was into drugs. If I was you, I would let her see them but on MY terms. Meaning if she does ANYTHING that you see isn't quite right, the visit with the kids will end then and there. And of course this means YOU must be present during this visit. This is the only way you will know if things go poorly.

I wish you the best of luck!


myLot reputation of 99/100. KissThis (2638)   ranked 31 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

Every time I have allowed her to see the boys I am present at all times. She and I have a different way of parenting. I have the children earn things and don't allow them to have a lot of junk food. She on the other hand gives them anything they want without thinking of the consequences. This worries me because the boys have caught on to that and try to play the situation. I have tried talking to her about this but it seems to go in one ear and out the other.

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6. myLot reputation of 92/100. 4cuteboys (2889)   ranked 153 out of 9,012 in parenting   5 years ago

I think you have it right. She is obviously not mature or even trying to be if she is telling them not to follow the rules you have set up for them and for their well being and safety. I wouldn't let her see the boys if I were in your situation. They need stability and it doesn't seem like she's going to be providing any, so why put them thru that? Your doing a great job, kudos for you.


myLot reputation of 99/100. KissThis (2638)   ranked 31 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

Thanks 4cuteboys, I appreciate the compliment. I just wish there was some way that I could make her understand why its so important to have the boys follow the rules. I know she wants the boys to like her and everything. I can't blame her for that.

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7. myLot reputation of 68/100. Foxxee (2694)   5 years ago

She lost her parental rights, correct? You are now their legal gardian/mother and you have every right to refuse her from seeing those boys. She isn't their mother, you are. That is how I see it anyway. She had plenty of chances to fix her life up, she chose not to.

Don't worry what others say, you are the mother and you know what is best. In some cases keeping them apart might work out better, it's healthier for the kids. She shouldn't be allowed to come and go as she pleases, that could confuse the kids.

If you want her to have any part in the boys life, maybe set some guidlines with her and make it to where she just can't come over when she wants. She has to call a week before time or something.

But that is only if you really want her in the picture, if not, then that is your choice and only yours.

How old are the boys now? Have you asked them if they want to see their biological mom or are they still to young?

I would also never leave her alone with the boys and monitor everything, that is if you do give her a chance to be in their life, but she also has to understand that you are their mother now.


myLot reputation of 99/100. KissThis (2638)   ranked 31 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

The boys are now ages 5 and 7. Last month we went to a family reunion I knew she was going to be there also so I explained to the boys that they would get to meet her. All the boys said was " OK mom" that's it they weren't curious or excited. Neither boy wanted anything to do with her until she started offering them gifts and ignoring all of the rules. Then she was their best friend. Later that night the oldest even told us that he only liked her because of the gifts. I gave him the usual lecture about not using people for what they can give you. I know that I don't feel comfortable about leaving her alone with the boys. I am just not sure how well I trust her.


myLot reputation of 68/100. Foxxee (2694)  5 years ago

If you don't trust her, then that is understandable. Go with your gut feeling, always.

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8. myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572)   5 years ago

Before I can give you my answer. I need a little more on the sityation.If you can answer these questions for me it will help.
1) does she have any other children?
2) If so, do they live with her?
3) If they don't, then why not?
Let me know the answer to these questions please.


myLot reputation of 99/100. KissThis (2638)   ranked 31 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

Yes, she does have two other children who are older then the two that I have. No they do not live with her. She lives in Illinois and the other two children reside in Tennessee. I can't say for certain why she lost custody of the other two children. I know that she went to court in Tennessee and that the judge award custody to the children's father. Every summer the father allows the children to come to Illinois to stay the summer months with their grandmother so that they can visit their mom. During these visits I allow the boys to see their siblings.


myLot reputation of 75/100. dragonryder (3572)  5 years ago

I can tell you that I wouldn't give her the chance in heck to see the kids. For her to have 4 children over the years and not have custody of any of them tells me one thing. She is irresponsible as all heck. If the father of the first 2 can't even trust her to take care of the kids, then how could you trust her. I tell her if she wants to see them. It will be at your house and in only when your there. She should feel lucky that you adopted them and not a total stranger. If it was a total stranger, then she wuldn't even know where they were at.


myLot reputation of 99/100. KissThis (2638)   ranked 31 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

We actually was scared for a while there that a stranger would get to adopt the younger of the two. Luckily they decided not to adopt him but this also caused him to have a few additional problems. Thanks for the advice.

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9. myLot reputation of 98/100. tinamwhite (1966)   ranked 121 out of 9,012 in parenting   5 years ago

Kiss, my friend....I do not want to appear cruel or heartless and you know me, that is not my way...

BUT, she was given every opportunity to show that these children were important to her...and she CHOSE not to do any of it....just because NOW it is convenient for her to come into your home and disrupt these children's lives....no, I do not think that she has earned the right to do this to you....or the children..."The one time I did allow her to see the boys she made a point to encaourage the boys not to follow the rules. Which is very bad for the one because he has ADHD."

She should be ashamed of herself...for even asking....You have provided these boys with a stable, happy home life...something she was not even willing to try to do...

I think that the family members who are giving you a hard time..need to get over it...where were they when all of this was going on....they were not "jumping through each hoop that they ask me to like a trained dog. I am going to parenting classes, changed jobs so that my hours fit around their schedule. I made sure that the state would have no reasons to complain about anything I did. I ended up adopting both boys."

She by law has no right to these children!! By law of nature even less, in my opinion...you have told them that they are adopted...you have told them who their biological birth doner is....when they are old enough...if she is still clean...then I MIGHT allow them to develop a relationship...if I saw no adverse reaction from the addition of her in their lives...but these children are still young...I think she can only do more harm at this point...

She has already shown her appreciation for all that you have done for HER family..."The one time I did allow her to see the boys she made a point to encourage the boys not to follow the rules. Which is very bad for the one because he has ADHD."

Ultimately this is a decision that you will have to make...but I, for one, feel that it is your responsibility to protect these boys....a job which God blessed her with and she snubbed her nose at....

I realize that someone will be unhappy with you no matter whbat you decide to do...which is not fair....but that is just the way some people will be...you can not change it...you have earned the right to be these innocent boy's mother and I would not let anyone tell me how to raise my children...

If you feel that you can begin a "friendship" with your neice and not have the children around for a while...I could understand....but I would not feel obligated...I just would not allow her or anyone else in the family to pressure you..... However, I bet that she will not want to do this...in that manner....i get the feeling that she is trying to undermine your position with these boys....and she has no right to do that!!! Not now....Not ever!!!!

I will pray for you.....and for the boys....and your neice..

I hope that I did not offend you, Kiss, my friend...I am concerned for you....and I truly wish you the very best in trying to deal with this situation...I also want you to feel free to PM me if you need to talk....I will be here for you!

Tina


myLot reputation of 99/100. KissThis (2638)   ranked 31 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

Tina, Everything you said is exactly how I feel about all of this. With so many people telling me I should allow her to see the boys I started to wonder if I was being petty and immature as they were saying. I started to doubt myself. I began to wonder if the boys might resent me later for not allowing her to see them now. I want to thank you because now I don't feel like I am being immature. I am only trying to do what I feel is best for these boys. Thank you so much. Kiss


myLot reputation of 98/100. tinamwhite (1966)   ranked 121 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

Kiss,
I have been maried for almost 20 yrs now...I came into this marriage with 2 children, he came into it with 1, and we have a 5 yr.old.....

The first fight we ever had was over his son, who was 8 at the time....he wanted to file for custody and I said that I would never play a part in taking another mother's child from her.....he replied that I would change my mind...the argument ended...

His son was so sweet, but very easily upset...as I began to watch and learn...I could see the affect that his "birth doner" who was and still is an alcoholic was having on him.....

My huband was correct...I began to keep a calendar of the days that I had him compared to the days he was with her...she had him for school and at the end of the school year.....I had him more than she did....every time he could be at our house...he was there...he would call me and ask me to come and get him...it was a 45 minute drive one way...but I always went.....I have laid beside him grently rocking him as he cried his heart out because of the fear he had of her...it was heart wrenchin.....

I have been there, my friend.....I like you thought that maybe I was being unfair to her...so I opened my home ot her...allowed her to visit her son...in a safe enviroment...she only came 2 times....I had to watch her break his heart again....

Now he is almost 27 yrs old...he will tell you that I am the only mother he has ever had...we are so close...he remembers way more than I wish he did....

I am literally sitting here crying as I write this to you....you have touched my heart so much...

Be strong, my friend.....they will understand that you love them and want the best for them and she is not it!!

They are too young to have to try to deal with this...You are doing the right thing for them and that is what a mother does....she will never understand so do not waste your energy trying to help her see the light.....


myLot reputation of 99/100. KissThis (2638)   ranked 31 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

Your husband sounds like my fiancee. Like you I am the one who questions if I am doing the right thing. My fiancee has said from the start that she had her chance and she wouldn't make the sacrifices that she need to so that the boys could remain with her. I think that I will do as you did when the boys are a little older. I will try to set up a month visit or something so that they can form a relationship if she is able to remain clean. I appreciate you sharing your experince with me because it is very helpful to see what someone else has done before. I truly think that you are an amazing mother.


myLot reputation of 98/100. tinamwhite (1966)   ranked 121 out of 9,012 in parenting  5 years ago

Thank you so much for your kind words....I know that you will make the best choice that you can for the boy's best interest....from one great Mom to another!!!

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10. myLot reputation of 93/100. charlene2350 (4850)   5 years ago

If these are your boys, you adopted them, then you can do what you want. You don't have to allow anything. She flubbed up. Parental rights were apparently severed for you to adopt them. It's sad, but the kids have probably been through hell and back. It might just be better to go forward and not backward. They are your kids. Anyone can have a child, but not everyone can be a mom. Kudos to you for being their mom.

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