Pro Life= ALL life?

"The only logical choice is to save the mother's life.
This is not an easy choice for the mother.
Women are programmed to put the lives of their children first above their own.
There are so many factors that can play a part in this situation."

Very true...a mothers natural instinct is to save/protect their kids and put them first etc and no abortion (for most ppl) isnt an easy choice to ahve to make by any means....As for the variety of factors, there really are so many different possibilities....I just posted a hypothetical situation for Teresa actually with a specific scenario...

What is that javascript stuff in the middle of your response?

Raven, hi...

This is a well-thought out post. It is respectful and it is soft. I am happy to respond to this in a hypothetical manner as I read the concept that you presented concerning the married couple. (The husband is killed and the pregnant wife is brutally beaten. Her choices are daunting.)

If that woman were to have been me, I would choose to abort for the reason of the children already in existance, and the death of the father. Sometimes, the answers are easy; sometimes not. In this case, the answer was easy for me.

There are very few situations where abortion is the BEST choice. But your story shows that there are situations where abortion is the only choice.

Do you have another hypothetical story that we can consider?

"I would choose to abort for the reason of the children already in existance, and the death of the father"

interesting....thats acceptable to you yet you had the audacity to call me a murderer when the reality is just the same...the reason was for the children in existance as well as my husband and myself ad because of the death of our son....

Ok, Raven, I tried to respond kindly and thoughtfully to you. Are you so mentally ill from what you've done that you just can't let it ride. Now you opened the can of worms and here we go again.

You gave a hypothetical-was this to draw US out and start again? Were you and your husband in the throes of a battle from a mugger?

NO

Here's the scenario:
1. you have two kids
2. you have a third
3. you get pregnant with a fourth
4. the third dies from an illness
5. you abort the fourth even though it was planned...

This is not the same as the hypothetical. Not even close.
You are a mentally ill hack...it is obvious that I tried to respond thoughtfully to your story...but hey! That's you, sweety.

Have a good day.

Actually the similarities are there...

1 - 2 existing children
2 - unexpected tragic death

end of story

And actually Carly to be perfectly honest with you your replying in here is of course your choice obviously but dont expect me to play nice with you just because you put on a "show" in this thread...You are an ignorant, uncompassionate idiot and a hypocrite so pretty much what you have to say is neither here nor there...

run along now...there is no time for you

Yeesh Raven, now you are "mentally ill"?
Well if mental illness is contagious you might become so if you continue going in circles with these people.

Good Lord are we going to go thru this again? Carly why can't you just stay away if you are just going to be vile and spit venom? Ugh.

Kitty and Mail - I was thinking the same thing...I have no time for sandbox bullshyt ya know...her best bet is to not even waste my time or hers for that matter cause I cant be bothered to play this silly game

*now back to our regularly scheduled program*;-)

Amen Teresa. We DO need to put it in God's hands. We try way too much to handle things on our own. We need to let God guide us to what He wants us to do...esp in difficult situations.

Okay i understand what you are saying Teresa and thank you for joining in the (so far) mature conversation LOL now if you don't mind let me put a spin on it for you...

Young married couple with 1 or 2 small children decide they are ready for another child...They are finacially, mentally and physically able and all things considered there is absolutely no reason they shouldnt go ahead and go for it...so they do and she get pregnant...The husband and wife are out shopping one night (just off the top of my head) and on their way back to the car they get mugged by a group of riff-raff...the husband gets shot and dies instantly, the wife is beaten brutally but lives HOWEVER during her recovery in the hospital, her doctor discovers the beating she took has created serious complications in regards to her ability to safely deliver her unborn child - one of them WILL die...She has two choices

1 - carry to term and hope for the best BUT risk losing her life and leaving her existing children completely parentless (remember they just tragically lost their father and are already naturally traumatized)

OR

2 - abort the baby in order to make sure she is around to raise her children and help them heal from the death of their father as well as not creating more devastating trauma for them should she die during delivery

Teresa - would you still say leave it in the hands of God? and if so, may I ask why or rather what your reasoning would be?

"Teresa - would you still say leave it in the hands of God? and if so, may I ask why or rather what your reasoning would be?"

I would pray about it, and do whatever I felt God was leading me to do. So yes, I would leave it all in His hands. My reasoning is that's how I live my life...when there's a decision to be made, I pray and ask Him to show me what His Will is in the situation.

Really eh..wow, I couldnt do that myself but its nice to know that you have such a strong believe in your faith (without being rude etc about it)..and lets face it that really does take a LOT of faith....Thanks for answering not only honestly of course but also pleasantly:-D

You're welcome...and I agree that it was nice to have a pleasant discussion on this subject.

Hey Raven and Teresa!:)

I to agree with Teresa. I am so vehemently against abortion in any situation. I believe that if God would want the mother to live, he would do so. Miracles do happen. A mother should always put her babies life before her own. I have seen what they do to abort babies and it is so very inhumane. They say babies don't feel anything and in reality they do. I just want to say that either one is for it or against it. It is like saying that you will love your baby as long as it is healthy. If it isn't then you get doctors to tear it to bits and throw it away. It is like you are saying a baby isn't worth loving if it isn't to your liking. Especially if the baby is mentally challenged and that is a shame because it is Gods Creation.

Sorry, I had to vent and I want to thank you for listening.

First and foremost, not everyone is religious or Christian in the first place. And secondly, not all women want to be "mothers" nor do they have any maternal instincts for it.

I could not have said that better myself Elk!!

"woman’s physician would do everything they could to save both lives"

if that were possible then yes i agree but in this particular situation there is not way to save both.

it says in the Bible that the mothers live is worth more than the child's life.

So if it's morally wrong to save either should you then let both die? That doesn't make any sense. If only one can be saved a choice should be made to save which ever one you can.

Quote from emeraldisle - "So if it's morally wrong to save either should you then let both die? That doesn't make any sense"
That is exactly what I was thinking!!
If that mother had other children would it be morally just as wrong to let her and the unborn child die leaving the other kids without a mother?

You asked for opinions and I offered you an opinion. Based on the example in which you gave a physician would do his best to save both lives.

There are two lives at stake, not just one.

Let me give you an example. A woman and a six month old baby are in a house fire. One of them may die. Does the fireman spare one life to save the other or does he try to save both lives?

The woman and child in a house fire scenario is no comparison to the hypothetical situation.
The fireman will rescue whomever they find first and then go back for any other victims.
The scenario here does involve 2 lives. The doctors are aware of both lives but can only save one.
Not both!

Let me give you another similar scenario.
A woman who already has 5 kids and has had a partial hysterectomy somehow against all odds gets pregnant. Rare but medically possible.
Its an ectopic/abdominal pregnancy.
Because the woman no longer has a uterus it is impossible for the baby to be carried without seriously risking the mothers life.
She understands that this baby is a miracle.
However, She knows the risks to her own life and knows that if the pregnancy is allowed to continue she may die leaving her 5 kids without a mother.
What should that mother do?
Should she allow the pregnancy to continue and face certain death leaving her 5 kids motherless?
OR should she terminate the pregnancy to save her life so that she can raise her 5 other kids?

Without a uterus it's not possible to carry a pregnancy to full term. For obvious reasons this is not a viable pregnancy.

I'm not even sure an ectopic pregnancy would be possible, becaue in an ectopic pregnancy, a fertilized egg implants outside the uterus. As the fetus grows, it will eventually burst the organ that contains it. In almost all cases they remove the abnormal pregnancy.

I said ectopic/ABDOMINAL.
They dont automatically remove the abdominal pregancy
They ask what the mother wishes to do.
They allow the mother to make a choice after they have explained the risks.

I know a woman who's first pregnancy was ectopic and the tube burst and she lost the baby.
Her second pregnancy also was ectopic. This time when the tube broke the fetus lived. She was given the choice of trying to keep the pregnancy. She decided since she would never be pregnant again; she would go forth.
She ended up delivering her son via c-section. They were written up in medical journals. She is now a grandma.

That is totally awesome! I have never heard of an ectopic pregnancy carrying to full term! That is very interesting!!!! Thanks for sharing!!!

Ok, hjoanne, where on earth does in the bible does it say that? Please supply the chapter and verse. Thanks.

I'm so sorry to hear that. I'm glad that you are both ok. I was in a similar situation with my first born and the doctor saved us both.

Yes, I am ok but my daughter later passed from other complications. Susan

My condolences. I too have loss a child.

emeraldisle

In spite of the senario presented by Raven I am prolife. But there are EXTENUATING circumstances that disuades me from being an ABSOLUTE in a case like this.

I could not (as SWTROSE does) totally rely on an entity that may or may not be there for me. I am not saying that SWTROSE is wrong, it's so difficult for me, as a human, to give things over to 'something' out there. I would have to make that horrendous gut-wrenching choice solely on my own.

SWTROSE, you're a sweet girl and I am not disparaging your beliefs at all. You do understand, right?

That's one of the reasons I'm pro-choice because of different situations. Who are we to judge what a woman should or shouldn't do unless we are in her exact same shoes. I'm not talking similar but exactly the same situation as her.

Thank you, but CarlyLaine I thought you were pro-life? I now see that you are pro-choice with exceptions. You support the choice to kill some babies.

"I now see that you are pro-choice with exceptions. You support the choice to kill some babies"

So I'm not the only one who noticed that then - interesting

Very well said, swtrose, I couldn't have said it better myself.

"I would like to know how many of you have seen the film The Cider House Rules? What do you think of that?"

omg yea I've seen it...what a totally moving movie! and for those of you who havent seen it, I recommend it because it really is a heartwrenching incredible flick..

gloomcookie

It looks like you are taking this topic back to a couple of days ago and I think Raven, SwtROSE, transdisk etc, are pooped from that post. I know I don't want to go there.

Raven put out a great thread on this topic and I am respecting that. She threw out a hypothetical and if we stay on her idea, we all won't get lost in the anger of a few days ago.

Not all pregnancies are bad. Not all come with damaging side effects. You have this horrible vision of pregnancy that really just isn't true. Yes there are some people that experience really bad pregnancies. But there are more that experience good ones. I for one had a wonderful pregnancy. The biggest incovience I had was being watched like a hawk from 4 different specialists. Having to go to the doctor at least twice a month then for the last month I had to go twice a week. But I look at that as a blessing because both my child and me were carefully watched (plus I got to see and hear my baby on an ultrasound, even the 3D ones alot) so it put me at ease.

There are alot of uncertainties inlife and that is what life is, a big ol' uncertainty. You can't base your life or your decisions on what people tell you about "their" experiences.. Cuz trust me, especially when you are pregnant, random people will come up to you and tell you their horrible stories. I was scared to death of what I had in store for me. Now, I want to do it again.

And no, this isn't a way to try to get you to want to be pregnant but I just wish you didn't have this horrid vision of pregnany people having horrible times all the time.

I honestly don't care what kinds of horrible or wonderful experiences anyone has had. If I were to go by just the people I've known, I'd probably have been knocked up years ago. However, there are far too many statistical risks that go along with something that I have no interest or desire in doing in the first place.

Yes, I am aware life is uncertain, however there's this nifty thing called educated avoidance. I bet my odds of getting hit by a car are greatly diminished when I'm indoors versus if I were to go play in traffic and that's pretty much how I look at it. The adverse possibilities far, far far outweigh the postive possibilities, which wouldn't come to fuition for decades anyway. I'm all for delayed gratification, but it is not worth it one little bit to me. I almost never do anything that doesn't have a higher then 50% odds of a positive outcome and pregnancy is simply not one of them.

P.S.: I was referring to unwanted pregnancies, not pregnancy in general. I can guarentee you that your pregnancy was only pleasurable becuase you wanted it. Hard work isn't so hard when it's towards something you want or desire. However, easy work can be torturous is you have absolutely no interest in the work or the result whatsoever.

I know you don't care but you are painting a very unpleasant picture of what a pregnancy is and it really isn't that bad. That's all I'm saying.

And you are wrong about it only being pleasurable because I wanted it. I didn't want kids and I think I had explained that to you in the past about my situation but just in case I didn't I will tell you.

I never wanted kids and niether did my husband. We were very happy just being married and didn't want to deal with having kids. And like you, we both thought that there were way to many kids out there that needed homes so why add to the population plus why bring a child up in this horrible world?

And to add to the fact that since I was 11 years old I was always told that I couldn't get pregnant. So we had no need to even worry huh cuz doctors always know what they are talking about right?

WE got pregnant during our honeymoon. For a week I think both of us were in a daze going through all the emotions you can think of. BUT the only difference is that abortion was not even a thought that crossed either of our minds.

I would do it all over again. I wouldn't go back in time and change what happen either. My son is the coolest kid out there and I couldn't have asked for a better child.

My pregnancy was good due to the fact that I made it that way. It wasn't because I wanted to be pregnant or we planned it. It was what it was.

My sister on the otherhand has been married 13 years. They have two daughters age 4 and 8. They had been trying for kids the entire time they were married and only after, what, 5 years they got pregnant the first time? And her pregnancy was HORRIBLE all those things you talk of happened to my sister. She was miserable. So how do you explain that? She had planned it, she wanted it, but yet it was horrible. Funny thing is that she did it again too and the same thing - very sick through the whole pregnancy...

I guess my point in all of this longwinded comment would be that every single pregnancy is different..

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Well, what more can I say to that.

I am glad that you would not commite suicide or try to mutilate yourself, however the abortion thing, well you know how I feel about that so no need to point it out, again.

And no, I didn't misundertand you about you not wanting kids due to just the overpopulating, corrupt world or overcrowding in foster care. I just wanted to paint a different picture for you and everyone else out there that reads these so they can have two pictures instead of the scary picture you paint that pregnancy "can" be instead of "is".

I believe you when you say all those things about kids/pregnancy and such - I believe you believe it and I believe that you feel that way. I can't say that I understand it because I have never felt that way nor have I met anyone that has so it's hard for me to understand it at your level. Do you feel that way about baby animals too?

Depends on the animal, but generally speaking, no. However, it probably has quite a lot to do with the subconcious psychological association of human baby vs animal baby. As an adult, sexually active woman, a human baby is associated with pain, pregnancy, unwanted repsonsibility, not to mention the future of becoming a vocal, mobile child. Whereas with the vast array of species of animals both wild and domestic, there is the subconscious association of "if I can't take care of that kinds of animal, I will never be in a situation where I would have to". As a woman, it's pretty much always on your mind that you might have to deal with getting pregnant or being put in a situation that involves babies or children since it really is extremely common for mothers, new mothers and just other women in general to automatically assume that being female means you are interested in holding, playing with or talking to their child that there will be occasions like this that pop up on occasion. Whereas with animals, you're never going to have to worry about getting pregnant with one and unless you're going to a zoo, pet store, or reserve you're never really going to have to worry about someone foisting a bear cub on you randomly.

Interesting take on that.

Have you ever raised or been around baby animals? Like have you ever had a dog that had puppies or a cat or any pet animal that had babies? And if so, did you feel the same way because in a way, you would have to sort of help take care of them. And I am in no way picking at you I am just trying to understand this phobia that you girls talk about.

I raised 1 kitten from the time hew was an "adolescent" kitten. He wasn't a tiny baby, but he wasn't grown, either. And I helped a great deal in raising three other weaned, litter-trained kittens. And then there was one teeny baby kitten that I sort-of helped with, but most of the duties were too much for me. I have a horribly strong gagging problem and I can't be around fresh waste or vomit and I have a difficult but not impossible time with non-fresh. I'm also allergic to the litter, so I can't do that either.

I'm highly lethargic due to several health problems, I'm allergic to almost everything, I have a very hard time remembering things, I have almost no patience. Which is why I like cats, they're low-maintenance, affectionate company and they really do have a mind of their own. I could never see myself breeding them, though, since there's such an astronomical stray/unwanted cat population. I'd much rather work a rescue program and ensure that they're "fixed" and cared for. But I do react towards kittens as "normal" women react towards human babies.

On an added note, I can't stand dogs, either. I just can't handle the needy, attention-hounding, the slobbering, the jumping, the running, the physical demands of playing, walking and caring for it. I generally have the same reaction to a house with a dog(s) as I do to a person with a baby/small child.

P.S.: I'm sorry if that was disjointed. I'm hungry and haven't found the energy to get up, yet, so my brain is a little muddled.

That's interesting. I wonder where it came from? Have any idea as to why you react that way around babies/small children? I can completely understand the gagging thing - I to have a very weak stomach and faint or gag at either the site of blood (or any fresh wound looking thing) or like you said fresh waste or foul smelly thing. The weird thing is that I am okay with my son and his diapers and if he cuts himself I am okay with his blood. Anybody else and I either gag or faint.

I am with you on the cat thing - my first baby is an 8 year old calico that I have had since she was a baby. We also have a dog but he is mostly my husband's responsiblilty seeing as I really don't like dogs - well except little dogs - I don't like big ones and ours is a rodesianridgeback (not sure that I spelt it right). He is a good dog I just don't like the whole begging/licking/I need attention 24/7 thing.

Well, I have a severe pain phobia, I have never done anything that had even a remote chance of hurting me ever since I can remember. So when I first learned about pregnancy when I was like 5/6 I just started to associate pregnancy with pain and therefore something I would never want to do.

The kids thing, however, is a bit more complicated. I have been able to have fully logical, cognative, rational thought processes ever since I was 2/3 years old. My absolute first visual memory that I can recall even in the slightest is from when I was about 6 or 8 months old. My streaming memory (who what when where why how that most people associate with memory) begins from about 3 years old. Everything I have ever done was well-thought out and logically deducted, as well as handled with the utmost of delicacy, decorum and protiety. I remember when I was about 4, I thought the phrase "I have have to use the bathroom" was too crude to use at the breakfast table(we were at a restaurant) and that the term "restroom" wouldn't fit wither since I had to use the toilet, not that I had to rest. So I sat there for a good ten minutes trying to think of a more polite way of asking to be excused. What I eventually came up with was that when you eat, it made you have to go to the bathroom, so what comes out must be nothing more than old food, so when I did speak up, I told my mother that I had to "lower my food". It sounds childish at first, but when you think about a small child who has no way of knowing anything about the digestive system logically deducing the "food= waste" effect all by herself, it's a bit uncommon. So since I fully thought through every and anything I ever did or said to make sure it was acceptable or correct to the best of my knowledge I have never been able to understand why children are so nonsensicle and implusive. All through my childhood I never once understood a single thing my "peers" did. Everything from pre-school to high school, I was never able to relate to a "child's" mind.

So when I was about 14/15, I started seriously thinking about what my honest stance on children and childbearing would be. After studying anything I could about child-rearing, pregnancy, childbirth, child behaviour and also with watching other people's children and whatnot, and having to seriously think about it a lot more recently(in the past year or so)since getting engaged and having to go through all the crap with his family, I came to the same conclusion, only in more of an adult fashion and reasoning. Then when I was 16 I became politically aware (thanks to my boyfriend) and after studying and researching various causes, the abortion issue disturbed me the most as well as effected me the most and so ever since, it's the one I've been most versed in.

Wow - that is some pretty serious and deep stuff (sorry for the lame mans terms lol) but seriously. I can barely remember what I had for breakfast let alone what I did when I was a baby/small child. Would it be safe to say that you possibly have some type of OCD disorder? Have you talked to a doctor about it and if so what have they said? I'm not saying you need help for it but from a curiosity side I am just wondering if someone has diagnosd it. If you don't mind me asking but how was your mother and the relationship you had with her? Did she have high expectations for you? Did she treat you as an adult or did she want you to "act" your age so-to-speak? And you of course don't have to answer any of this, I am just curious.

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I have only seen clips of Monk but I kinda have heard about how OCD he is! That's crazy. With all that in mind, have you talked to doctors about it and/or had any therapy for it? Not saying that is a cure all (not sure I even think psychologist help any or not). I ask about your mother because most behavoir that is learned/acted out is because of the mother. Not in all cases mind you but what we learned in psychology was that most behavoir traits that are in a girl/woman come from the mother and same goes for the father/son. But come to think of it, about a month or so ago, we had a speaker at our church talking about fathers and their roles in the family and how the role of the father is just about the most important role their is for both male and female children. He talked of how the percentage of children that will grow up with behavior problems verses children that will grow up without behavoir problems all due to the relationship with their father, there is like a 30% difference. His example was kids that grew up in a single family home with both loving parents still in the picture but the children had a good relationship with both, the percentage is like 35% of a chance those children will grow up with problems like not being able to love, ect. Then you take a family with both parents still together and the father is unattached and unloving (similiar to your father) and the percentage was like 68% or some big number like that. It's weird to sit back and think about just how much a father's relationship with their children or his own spouse has such a HUGE impact on the children.

I was also asking about all this because I know a girl that is going in the 5th grade and the way you describe your childhood (being adult like and such) much describes her and I think it had/has alot due to her mother and the way her mother treats her. She doesn't treat her badly, she just treats her to grown-up like, in my opinion. She has her own cell phone (has had it now for like a year). She goes tanning with her mom, goes to the spa, gets her nails and hair done, pedicures... I mean come on now. The girl is BARELY going to be in the 5th grade this coming school year!! You sit and have a conversation with her and it's like you are talking to an teenager or an adult. She talks of her father not being around much and his new girlfriend and just other stuff that a child of her age should not be talking about or even KNOWING about. And she talks so grown up. You ask her how she is doing and she just says "Oh I am doing wonderful" and she pauses all proper like and asks "and how are you doing?" It's just insane how grown up she acts.

That's funny about your pre-school teacher! Did your husband know about that and why you wanted the little mermaid theme?? Lol that's cute..

Okay let's see. Yes, I have been to a psychologist and talked to her about my OCD, she said since it's not effecting my life or day-to-day behaviour, then I don't need treatment. If it ever gets worse, I might need to. But, I'm the kind of person to be able to put it away if the situation calls for it. It usually only gets really bad if I'm severely depressed or stressed out.

As for family dynamics, aside from causing severe social anxiety thanks to the BS brainwashing my father found necissary, there's not really that much effect he had on me. As I said, I was mostly left on my own to think, read, observe, deduce and decide things for myself. My parents only treated me like an adult because I acted like one. The girl you describe is absolutely ridiculous. I was only adult-like in my mentality and behaviour. I mean hell, I*still* play with toys sometimes lol and half the things you described about that girl, I've never done. I was always, and mostly still am, incredibly shy so I wasn't one to brag or speak to people who weren't part of my everyday life like my parents and my mother's best friend. Mostly the way I was treated not so much like a child was the "talk-down-to" way people tend to speak to smaller or younger children. I never really had to have things broken down for me to understand them. "Big" words, complicated situations, I have a very analytical mind and was always able to "if A and B then C" with just about anything I was told or over-heard.

Lol yes, he knows about my mermaid obsession. It's a little hard not to with all the posters, figures, stories I have and artwork I've done. He thinks it's cute and even feeds it. How many 22 year-old fiance's would actually buy a Little Mermaid playset for his woman? lol And yes he knows about my crush on my teacher. That came up with the "past relationships/crushes" discussion. And he's not totally sane, either, his first "crush" was on the girl mouse Gadget from Chip'n'Dale's Rescue Rangers lol. We both have a bit of a Disney fixation so we're doing a lot of it in our wedding, but Mermaid is most prevalent since it's my absolute favourite and he(even more so than me, believe it or not) believes that a wedding is mostly for a bride and so I should have more mermaid stuff.

I'll shut up now lol.

That's good that you can "turn it off" so-to-speak. But as long as you don't repress because that would be very harmful. Are you the only child/oldest/youngest?

That is so cute that he was so understanding about your obessesion!! I am in some ways the same way as you are but with Beauty and the Beast. I have stopped collecting for a few years but oh man, I have figurines and snow globes and dolls and puzzles, books.. you name it.. I am slowly weaning myself off of it and starting to sell it on ebay. Not so much into it as I use to be I suppose! lol

So when is the big event for you two? I am sure that will be so much fun if you guys are throwing a disney themed!!

I'm my mother's first and my father's fourth child.
My OCD sort of ebbs and flows with my mood, so usually in social or professional situations it's just not as prevalent.

Our wedding is actually next year lol, we're boke. May 18, 2008. Beauty and the Beast is my other favourite and it's his, too, so it'll be our secondary theme. The main is ocean/mermaid, but we're having Beauty and the Beast music and the Rose is going to be the centerpeices for the guest tables. I'm uber crafty/artsy so I'm probably going to make them myself, I'm making a lot of stuff myself.

Oh so you were never around any siblings that were younger then you.

That is awesome, congrats! It will be 2 years for us on the 18th of this month - hard to believe. I am the same way as far as being somewhat crafty. Our wedding was black and white with red roses. We also asked our guests on the invations to wear black and white - it turned out really cool. Very classic and chic! We (we meaning mostly me lol) did all the decorations ourself and just threw roses all around. All the bouquets and boutonniers were just simple roses. All the girls in my wedding party carried one rose and I had only 3 roses. Look on my profile when you get a chance - I am uploading some of our wedding photos.

No, my sister is younger than me. My mother had two and my father had five. Six, including the one given for adoption. And my father was way way way into favouritism between my sister and I. I thought I had talked about that earlier, sorry.

Your photos are so pretty! The scheme sounds so chic. I'm too randomly eclectic to narrow it lol.

It's okay. How were you to your younger sibling(s)? Did you feel the same way when she was a baby/young child?

Thanks! The wedding decor was very chic. The only reason we made the choice for black and white was because I could get everything to match the same color purple and I didn't want some things to be a shade of lavendar and others to be a lilac so I said screw it lol (my favorite color is purple)! My sister actually suggested it and at first I was like "What?? A black and white wedding? How boring!" But I started looking online and getting ideas and it started to make things ALOT easier on me. I always knew that I wanted roses so that also made it easier.

Have you already picked out your dress/started looking?

I pretty much felt the same, however I was 6 years old when she was born and had already become well-accustomed to being an only child and once she was born, quite literally the only way I could get attention was if I helped out. I think it was then that I decided I never wanted one of my own.

I can totally understand about simplifying the colours so that the shade differences don't clash. But, that's also why I chose to use so many lol. That way it would look like variety instead of inconsistancy lol. I'm using a few shades of blue(royal, ocean and baby probably) and seafoam green with silver and deep red accents(I*have* to have red roses lol).
And as for the dress...Yes and no. I had intended to get something uber cheap, but my mom talked me into going to the boutique of my favourite designer and I found a really awesome dress and reserved the design however, we may not be able to afford it. So, I found a site that sells designer styles at steep discounts so we're going to go looking in Atlanta to see if I can't find one I like that I can get off the discount site.

Yeah I heard younger siblings will do that to ya! My sister for the longest time kept saying she didn't want kids because of me!

Your wedding sounds like it is going to be very colorful! You'll have to send me pics.

Dress shopping is such a pain. I went to several shops and by the last few they were seriously all blending in. By that time I was ready just to settle on whatever. But the dress I did settle on was beautiful so I lucked out! lol
I don't know why I bought it instead of renting one. It's not like I am wanting it pass it down or keep it. I am actually trying to sell mine.