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myLot reputation of 71/100. mkirby624 (1414)   ranked 44 out of 598 in teacher1 year ago

I read discussions here and hear conversations of parents on a daily basis, and I see over and over that people expect teachers to be perfect from day one of their job.

People are so quick to judge teachers. I realize that we are working with your children on a day to day basis...but haven't you made parenting mistakes? What makes everyone think teachers shouldn't make mistake either?

Does anyone realize that teachers don't truly get trained like most people do when they have a new job. You know, they have few weeks to a month...sometimes longer...that they shadow a more experienced employee and learn the ropes. New teachers don't get that. Sure we get "student teaching" but student teaching is NOTHING like real teaching. It's playing pretend, basically. You don't have to contact parents, tutor students, worry about students' grades, or work with special education students. It's a sugar coated form of teaching. It is NO preparation for real teaching.

I made so many mistakes as a first year teacher, and I had to learn from my mistakes. I made mistakes in my teaching, in my classroom management, and in my dealings with parents. Teachers never stop learning about how to do better.

I am entering my second year of teaching, and while things are a million times smoother than they were this time last year, I am still learning new techniques and new ways to handle my students.

Every group of kids is different, along with their parents. Every year is different from the next, so every year, kinks have to be worked out. So why are teachers, especially new teachers, expected to be a Master Teacher so soon in their careers?

 
 
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1. Malfador (19)   1 year ago

I think teachers are expected to not be perfect. But some things are expected such as not being a drug addict or pedophile.


myLot reputation of 71/100. mkirby624 (1414)   ranked 44 out of 598 in teacher  1 year ago

Of course they shouldn't be those things. What I'm asking is that parents and the public not get angry when a teacher make a simple mistake in the classroom, like hurting a child's feeling unintentionally, or posting a grade incorrectly. I had a parent march up to the school screaming and demanding to see me because I hadn't posted grades on the online system that 9 weeks...while if he had only just asked nicely to see his son's grades, I could have given them to him...but he didn't stop to hear why the grades weren't posted...because the schedules were messed up...he just came up there screaming at me.

PS. I don't appreciate the profane tag you added.


julersmith (41)   ranked 24 out of 598 in teacher  6 months ago

Teachers are not really perfect... i think they are not dumbass ask you want to say... They are only bully...

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2. myLot reputation of 93/100. andyliuzn (593)   1 year ago

Hello Mkirby,
Nice to know you as a teacher here.
You know, I don't know why people would regard the Teachers should be perfect here. In my points of views, teachers don't have to be perfect, but they should really a good one who could not only teach the students knowledge but only set some good example to the students. You know, Children, or say, students spent most of the time in School, and they spend the most time with Teachers, it is for sure that Parents and Students expect them all teachers could be good enough to guide the students to a good direction...

So just let it be, pressure surely you will get, but being a good teacher should be really cool, you know, once the students graudate from the school and they will still miss you and do the things like what you teach them quite often. The feeling of being a great guide/teacher must be good.

B.rgds & wish you every success in teaching.

Andy

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3. tutor1235 (85)   ranked 310 out of 598 in teacher   1 year ago

I've felt the same pressure that you're feeling-it's very real and a part of our day to day lives as teachers. One of the differences between your level of experience and mine (25 years or so!) is how you take that. I'm far from perfect, though like you, I try to learn a bit more each day. Parents are trying to advocate for their children in the best ways they know how (which aren't always the most productive in our eyes), but nearly all want the best for their individual children. Just keep on doing your best, and the confidence and security will come with time.

Hang in there! The world needs all the caring teachers it can get!


myLot reputation of 71/100. mkirby624 (1414)   ranked 44 out of 598 in teacher  1 year ago

thanks so much!! it's great to hear from a fellow teacher on here!! I love hearing about the differences between the early years of teaching and experience years!

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4. myLot reputation of 69/100. theprogamer (7379)   1 year ago

Pfft nice try. I don't expect them to be perfect its impossible for anything human to be perfect. What I expect is that they do their jobs properly. Some do not. Of course there are parents that do nothing but gripe because they are confusing the teacher with a substitute parent. I'll admit there are some terrible parents out there along with their kids (My Mom teaches, I've seen 15+ years of nonsense out of plenty of parents).

Now onto my complaints about teachers and schools. Its all bureaucratic nonsense a lot of the time. In other cases the teachers are just plain inept, bigoted, preachy, lazy or stupid. I can use plenty more there. I'll give examples too. We've got teachers acting inappropriately to kids. We've got other teachers who can't stand an honest dissenting opinion. That's right, parents and even some kids are on to some teachers brainwashing games. In other cases the teacher is validly proven wrong by the student and they simply can't handle it (I've done this plenty of times and paid for it on a few, lousy bigoted blowhards). Oh and some don't like it if you don't fit a preset stereotype in their backwards minds. Pathetic garbage, most of it found in public school (though I've encountered some of it in private.)

Next, to your comment about expecting the new teachers to know everything and be perfect. Some people are rational, I don't expect someone to be perfect on the first day. Its a learning experience and dealing with kids/parents and that dynamic makes it a lot harder.

And some heart to heart (to at least prove I'm no ogre).
Kirby I wish you luck with your career. It's gonna be rough but you can always ask here for help advice or just for a sympathetic ear. It's not gonna play out perfect, but do what you can and learn what you can from your job.


myLot reputation of 69/100. theprogamer (7379)  1 year ago

Sorry about the first statement. I just get irate at times talking about education. It happens some of the time.


myLot reputation of 71/100. mkirby624 (1414)   ranked 44 out of 598 in teacher  1 year ago

I totally agree, there are some really crappy teachers out there.

My school is pretty strict about teachers. We get regular evaluations and they come down pretty hard on us if we don't do our job to the best of our ability.

My main complaint was the parents who, like you said, confused me with being a babysitter. I actually got a note last year (my first year of teaching) from a parent complaining that I expected her child to keep up with the project she was doing in my class. Told me that I should keep the projects in MY classroom so the kids couldn't lose them, because, after all, they are just children and you can't expect them to keep up with those things.

I thought I would die. I had 145 students last year....and I'm supposed to keep all of their projects in my ONE little classroom because their parents don't teach them how to keep up with their things? Are you kidding me!? That letter opened my eyes to all the crazy parents in the world who are raising lazy, dependent children.


myLot reputation of 69/100. theprogamer (7379)  1 year ago

Heh, thanks MK. So at least were not that far off. And I'll tell you this, mom's a Montessori teacher so I've gotten it from so many perspectives. I've also seen some parents that claim their kids shouldn't do homework, and one particular case that wanted no marks on her kids paper (even though many of the answers were wrong...very wrong...*shudder*). I've even seen parents with an entitlement issue "my kid isn't bad!" (yea, then how come I'm seeing him rummage through other students desks? -_-) its insane seeing it like this, and in general I see it getting worse.

If you need to share more, feel free to contact me or post on mylot.
Good luck with the class. You're in a position to try and steer them toward something better, but most times its not easy. I'm here if you need me MK.

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5. myLot reputation of 63/100. miamilady (1439)   1 year ago

I'm guilty of starting a few discussions about teachers. I'm not sure if you've come across them.

I have to say, I certainly don't expect teachers to be perfect. Nobody is. The teachers that irk me the most are the ones that can't admit that they AREN'T perfect. The ones who are quick to blame the parent rather than try to work with the parent.

I appreciate the good teachers. I appreciate what teachers do. I understand the challenges that teachers face. But there still are BAD teachers. Just as there are bad cops, bad lawyers and people in every profession that just don't care anymore or are doing it for the wrong reasons.

I'm sure you are one of the better teachers.
I'm sure as a teacher you will come across some of the teachers that have lost their passion for the job or never should have become a teacher to begin with.

Good luck with your career in teaching. Take care.

 
6. saibunny (74)   ranked 40 out of 598 in teacher   1 year ago

If you are in teaching field it means you are a master, if you aren't then its just a misplacement. It is very natural that every parent expect their child to be handled by the most experience and good teacher. They have the right to question the errors committed by the teacher.
As far as the training quality of teachers is concerned it depends entirely on the interest of the student and the institute which is providing the training. We do find many such institutes where the learning experiences are provided in real life situation. Blaming institute of training is not corrert but we should have choosed the best one.
As you said it is very right that we don't have on the job training facilities like in other profession.But what we could have is the expert's advise who are already in the school and working from past long period. We as a teacher should definately use the experience of other senior and experience teachers in dealing with either students or parents. This will help in lessening the friction which we have when we are new to the professiona and the institution.
Teacher training is ofcourse the most important tool in the hands of the teacher. A well trained teacher has the theoritical backgrond of what he is suppose to do, the type of pupil he is going to handle and the situation under which he is going to work.Its only matter of putting the theory learnt in practical.
Mistakes are common for all, you know "to err is human" otherwise everyone will be
God. What as a teacher we are suppose to do is the accept the mistakes and rectify them and see that they are not repeated in future. This could be the main secret of success of any teacher.


myLot reputation of 71/100. mkirby624 (1414)   ranked 44 out of 598 in teacher  1 year ago

I agree, but you could know all of the experiences of someone who has been teaching a while but still make mistakes in the classroom. TEACHING is a learning experience. No matter how much knowledge you have, people are still going to slip up and make mistakes. I admit my mistakes and I rectify them, but parents who expect their child's teacher to do not wrong are expected the impossible. I'm sure that parents has made MANY mistakes with their child, so I just get angry when parents waltz in expecting perfection from someone who has only been teaching for a month.


myLot reputation of 69/100. theprogamer (7379)  1 year ago

Just because someone has gone to a college classroom for 200-300 college hours it does not mean they are perfectly prepared for their job. Teaching is no exception. EVERY JOB has an on the job experience component. Things in the real world do not always work like they do in a textbook. The teacher also needs basic understanding of child psychology (a misnomer since this psychology can be all over the place). They also need to know parental psychology too. No matter what the college and training teachers will not be perfect from the start. No professional is. Everyone learns from experience.

Of course I do think there should be a nice weed-out of some biased, incompetent and indoctrinating teachers. But society should not set too high bar for such an important profession. I might not be making sense, but our teachers need time to learn their jobs, school system and children. If we set bars to impossible levels, we may end up with only a handful of teachers and millions of students that need to be taught.

And with that, I'll go back to musing on how we can get stateside teaching and school standards back to top standing when compared to other countries.

Have a good night Mkirby.

 
7. heaven3 (38)   6 months ago

i think teacher should not be expected 'perfect'. as a teacher, i think the most important are that, teach students knowledge, the second also the most important is that, the teacher can find students advantage, and encourage them become better. Giving beliefs to students, is better than giving knowledge.

 
8. myLot reputation of 44/100. simplyjemz (155)   5 months ago

because their profession is the noblest and hardest of all. the future of every kid is in their hands. they have to be perfect..

 
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