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| Okay I guess I'm a bit miffed here..LOL Where I live has gotten to be a very Spanish speaking community (as well as Chinese) and the local movie theater that is near me, plays a lot of predominantly Spanish-type movies geared toward the community at large, but even when they do play your regular blockbuster movies they have Spanish subtitles blazing across the screen which I find a distraction. Now I don't know but am I wrong to feel disgusted by this? This is America in which the language is supposed to be English. Now say if, I were to go to France and I was on holiday there and I decided to see a movie there...should I expect English subtitles??....I don't think so. Parlez vous français, s'il vous plait? I would have to try and follow the movie with the French language...So why are we so accommodating here in America??? Yes, I can understand that a person who is Spanish speaking is trying to learn the language here, but does our country have to be so accommodating to those who don't speak the language? My question is...and this is particularly for those outside of America--is YOUR country so accommodating in having subtitles in a language other than the accepted one in your country?? I mean if that were the case then all movies now matter where they are shown should probably have subtitles in about at least ten different languages to suit everyone... Is it me who is just griping here or does anyone else feel this way?? | | | | | |
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1. ElicBxn (24662)
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5 years ago
| | For a while, one of our theaters showed Indian movies. It was not presented any other way and that was fine with me. There are lots of stores that rent Spanish language films, as well as Chinese, Vietnamese & whatever oriental languages films too - GREAT. I've even seen Indian video rentals from the Indian stores. But even here in Austin, Texas, I haven't seen any Spanish subtitles - that would probably get me pretty unhappy too. I guess I might call around to area theaters & see if they use the subtitles & not patronize them if they did. Of course, I have no problem getting out & going places if I want to. | | | | | | |
pyewacket (12221)
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5 years ago
| | This is the ONE and only theater near me now...There used to be about five believe it or not, and have all disappeared as movie theatres..The choices of movies aren't that great either...I didn't get to see the last Harry Potter movie as they decided not to show it this time...drat | | | |
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2. jeweledbluerose (2171)
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5 years ago
| | Personally I think those subtitles are annoying. I have always shut them off when they automatically start on my DVD player. I think I would just about scream if I had to deal with them also at the movie theater. With the way some people act when coming to America, it really doesn't surprise me that so many from America, when traveling, don't take the time themselves to learn the language of a different country. In my opinion America is maybe just a tad over accommodating. In other countries, unless you are lucky to have a translator with you, you are pretty much s.o.l. during your stay, unless one takes the time to learn the language. Granted I know English may be one of the hardest languages to learn, but dang it people at least make an effort at it. Yes I know "the land of the free..etc etc" but English is the language that is spoken here, and those that were born and raised here, shouldn't be forced, in a sense, to learn a different language just to go out and have a good time in their own country. | | | | | | |
saigonwarrior (779)
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5 years ago
| | I have to wholeheartedly agree with everything that you have written. I HATE subtitles, they are one of the largest distractions I have ever encountered while trying to watch a program. My eyes tend to constantly be drawn to the text. I also turn them off on anything and everything that I have the option to remove them from. I think learning a new language is great if that is what you want to do! But stop trying to force feed other languages on the English speaking populace. Half the time I have to hunt for the English on products that I purchase in the store to read the labels. Very annoying. Some countries do require that the English Language be a requirement in school. I have a Dutch friend that is very fluent in English and is a member of English speaking forums and programs, she always tries her best to speak the proper words. As she tells me, if she couldn't speak English she wouldn't join. She amazes me by how fluent she is. Now, I have to ask. Who is responsible? Our government or businesses trying to sell more products that cater to special groups? If it is the government, then I don't remember having a voice in the change.... | | | |
pyewacket (12221)
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5 years ago
| | I think all this just adds to people not wanting to learn the language of the country, ours, they have chosen to live in....I have a neighbor who is Spanish speaking and lived in our building over ten years, yet doesn't speak one word of English...you mean in ten years she couldn't learn a few basics?? I learned some adequate French in college in only six months! | | | |
jeweledbluerose (2171)
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5 years ago
| | Saigonwarrior ~ First off thanks for commenting on my comment. I have the same problem as you, my attention gets pulled away from the movie when those subtitles flash across the bottom of the screen. It's almost inevitable that my eyes will follow, even though I try my best to ignore them, when they are placed so you can't shut the dang things off. Back in the day I remember English was provided first, than Spanish and other languages, but now days I do agree that it is a like a treasure hunt just to be actually able to read the labels on some of the products we purchase on either a monthly, daily or weekly basis. I am unsure as to who is really to blame for this, but I can assume that both business and government each have their own small part in this. Since most businesses are out to pull in customers, the more customers a business has the more money in which the business is making (greedy buggers some are). In turn the more money a business is making the more taxes the government can pull from that business. It's really a big circle that is spinning round and round, and has gone a bit out of control in my opinion. Pyewacket ~ I do understand your frustration. When I lived in Nevada I worked in housekeeping for a few months for a hotel/casino. After we finished the section we were sent to clean, we had to go and help others that were lagging behind. In most cases I was usually working on a floor where the other housekeeping personnel were mainly Spanish speaking, which I didn't mind, but it would drive me mad when I would explain that I was there to help (we had to do this so the other housekeeping personnel didn't think we were stealing stuff from their carts)and most would just stand their staring at me, like I was some sort of crazy person, than after I was finished they would just shrug and utter something in Spanish at me, in what seemed to be an angry tone. Since I was still in high school at that time, I ended up taking some basic Spanish classes just so I could speak with these individuals. Though I had a blast learning a different language, since my job didn't really require me to speak to the customers, I feel that I shouldn't of had to of done this, but I did, just so I could do my job right. I think it should be mandatory for individuals to know at least some basic English. Just like it is mandatory for English speaking people to learn Spanish to gain certain jobs here in the United States. | | | |
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3. BarBaraPrz (6645)
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5 years ago
| | I've always found subtitles distracting, and usually go by too fast for me to finish reading one before the next one comes up. Except for closed captioning for the deaf, which often lags behind the conversation, and often is rife with misspellings... (a friend of mine has a deaf son). The late, great Victor Borge said he learned to speak English by watching american movies. (His first performances in America were written out phonetically for him.) | | | | | | |
pyewacket (12221)
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5 years ago
| | Yes those subtitles are darned annoying..but I just my movie theater figures it will draw in more people with the subtitles in Spanish..comes down to just plain economics so they don't lose money | | | |
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4. twoey68 (10563)
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5 years ago
| | I agree. I think if you are going to live in the United States you need to speak english. I get tired of having to press 1 for english and have all of the things in the stores with both english and spanish all over the item. I have been in a spanish grocery store before...there is no english. Everything is in spanish...the items, the music, the cashiers, everything. Yet if you go to regular grocery store most items have everything in english and spanish. AT PEACE WITHIN ~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~ | | | | | | |
pyewacket (12221)
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5 years ago
| | I wouldn't mind getting some kind of part time job, but the qualifications --you have to be bi-lingual...Hey in my neighborhood, it's not just Spanish,...many of the closer supermarkets have every thing in Chinese!! | | | |
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5. GnosticGoddess (3488)
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5 years ago
| | Oh I am with you on this!!! I have felt this way about a lot of things! I am just glad that our theater here doesn't do these things. There are classes you can take to help you learn English and I'm sure some are free. I just don't get it. | | | | | | |
pyewacket (12221)
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5 years ago
| | There are schools in the neighborhood for Spanish speaking people to learn English, and on the corners of some of the streets at this busy intersection are people handing out flyers with "Aprende Ingles" It is the Zone method of teaching the language | | | |
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6. highflyingxangel (9336)
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5 years ago
| | I agree with you. Spanish subtitles are distracting. I know that things have to be made accessible for all people, but I think english movies without subtitles should be available to those that wish to see the movie without the distraction of subtitles. That's what I would want anyway. This is America, and not every other country makes it easy to watch movies with english subtitles, so why should we focus on spanish subtitles? I don't think we should. | | | | | | |
pyewacket (12221)
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5 years ago
| | Couldn't agree more....My neighborhood is also very diverse in cultures, so it's a wonder they don't have subtitles in Chinese, Koren, Russian, Polish, etc, etc etc..gee, if they did there would be no room for the picture! LOL | | | |
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7. Lakota12 (23197)
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5 years ago
| | Dont go to the movie house any more. But i do find that in the rent movie place you have to make sure you are not picking a movie with sub titles and this mad me mad when I found out that a movie I wanted was nothing but subtitles and I cant see them on tv as good as I would like so I didnt get it . Was (Letters from Iwo Jima )produced by Cllint Eastwood. I reall think they need to do another one in English without subtitles | | | | | | |
pyewacket (12221)
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5 years ago
| | Was it a tape or DVD?? If DVD you can switch off the subtitles. | | | |
Lakota12 (23197)
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5 years ago
| | I havent found out how to do that where does it say to take off subtitles? | | | |
misheleen73 (3135)
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5 years ago
| | Letters from Iwo Jima was MADE with subtitles.. all the actors are actually speaking in Japanese. It is considered a "foreign film" So there really isn't an option of taking the subtitles off. I have to say though I thought it was a spectacular film, about World War II but from the Japanese side. | | | |
jeweledbluerose (2171)
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5 years ago
| | Usually you can go into the DVD set up menu and turn off the subtitles. I'm not sure if all DVD player remotes have them, but on mine I have a subtitle button that I can press to turn subtitles on and off. | | | |
Lakota12 (23197)
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5 years ago
| | I know it was Mish. And I wish it wasnt for I cant read the screen. So I cant watch it as I would get no where with the laungage. And I knew it would be great and I would like to see a film from their side . But Alas I wont get to. | | | |
Lakota12 (23197)
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5 years ago
| | will have to check my remote I usually dont handle it daughter does. | | | |
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8. huswyf (964)
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5 years ago
| | Well, English has only been your official language since 2006 - give 'em a chance! *winks* I think it has more to do with local supply/demand than an unwillingness to learn. Here in the UK there are specialised Asian cinemas where there are large Asian communities - even though most of the audience speaks excellent English. Mainstream cinemas will show Asian and subtitled films if there is a large local community to show them to. I don't expect find things in English when abroad, but if there was a large ex-pat community, it's quite likely I would because where there's a market for anything, someone will supply it. | | | | | | |
pyewacket (12221)
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5 years ago
| | I guess what makes it so frustrating is that now, this is the only movie theatre around period...there used to be about five within walking distance...be surprised how far I can walk..LOL | | | |
huswyf (964)
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5 years ago
| | The nearest cinema to me is three miles away and it's not a very good one (attached to a mall and full of bored teenagers who want to be gangstas!). The one we usually go to is five miles away and that has gone very downhill since it opened a few years ago. Cinema in the UK is mostly multiplex situated in large towns or out-of-town malls. When I was younger it was different but most of the old style cinemas are something else now - nightclubs, bingo halls, churches (The Jehovah's Witnesses seem to like them) or demolished to make way for something else. A shame really, some of the old cinemas were very Art Deco buildings and had a kind of faded glamour to them. The new ones are all plastic and neon lights and look cheap. | | | |
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9. OreoCookie3 (22476)
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5 years ago
| | Unfortunately, I guess we are going to have to put up with it or not frequent the theater. It isn't happening where I live, or I haven't experienced it yet here. I do feel in time we will be over run with non-Americans to the point our official language will be turned to Spanish, and we won't even be America anymore. We will become a minority. I bet you in Mexico and in France and Germany and other countries if I go to a movie theater there, I will not find English subtitles there. I think our country is way too accommodating. | | | | | | |
pyewacket (12221)
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5 years ago
| | Also, by being so accommodating, it gives less incentive for people to learn the language period..right? | | | |
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10. rosie_123 (3858)
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5 years ago
| | Hi Pyewacket! Well the answer to your question from me here in England is - yes - absolutely! In fact, from reading posts here from US users, I don't think you go anywhere hear as far as us! I guess it is just normal for us. We are part of the EEC (European Economic Community), so we are very much an international country, - we think it is right and normal - no one gives a second thought to it. In Europe you can cross 3 or 4 country boundaries in a days' drive - each country has a different language/government/often religion as well, so certainly all "international" trains and stations in London have announcements and signs in various languages. Also, all our official government documents are provided, not just in other European languages, but in the languages of our former "Commonwealth" people who now live here as well, - such as Urdu, Punjabi, and Arabic. Our local newspapers are translated and printed into Polish, we have road signs in Polish and Punjabi here! And - no - it doesn't bother me - I love it! I think it's great to be multi-cultural! I think it's great that kids at school here can hear so many different languages at school, - it can only lead to a warmer and greater understanding between races and cultures. | | | | | | |
pyewacket (12221)
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5 years ago
| | Well, even though there is a large Spanish speaking community here, that is not all, in fact, where I live in the borough of Queens, and especially in my neck of the woods, it has been said that our borough is the most diversified as far as culture in the whole country!! Name a country, you have people from it here...so fine by me, I don't mind....I just think it's wrong to favor one foreign language over the others...you have people here from Poland, Russia, Greece, China, Pakistan, India..and on and on...they don't have signs or any other things labeled in those languages. Also, I think by being so accommodating to just Spanish speaking people, they don't have the incentive to learn the language at all...I have a neighbor who has lived in my building over ten years, doesn't speak any English...you mean in ten years she can't learn at least the basics of the language?? | | | |
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