Dixie Chicks... Everybody Feels The Same Way NOW, So What Was The Big Deal?  

Wow. Love it. Perfect.

Yes, I do know it. And that was part of my point. I don't want ANYONE'S rights trampled on, and I do believe Clinton had a big part to do with the way our country's economic situation is today. I do know that Bush hasn't helped it AT ALL, though. I think if he was going to declare war, he should have done it on Sept. 12. I don't think he should have waited 6 months. Have you noticed that he only SAID he was going after Al Quaida? Where is old Bin Laden anyway? Saddam wasn't part of the Al Quaida movement, not even in the same country! That bit was only because Saudi oil prices were higher than Bush's family wanted to compete with. He does come from a Texas oil-baron family you know. And I'm certain that the UN had very valid reasons for not starting the war in the first place. For example, it's unwinnable, too much loss of life all across the board, etc. I did not know that Clinton put the effort in motion, thanks for letting me know! I blame Bush only for the things that have happened since he took office and started f^cking up. And this particular discussion has less to do with trashing your country and it's idiotic leaders during wartime than it does with the opinions of women. My question was, why haven't they been apologized to for having the intelligence and foresight to realize how stupid all this is?

P.S. Don't take my response too personally. I love a good debate!

Like I said in my first sentance...
Jane Fonda has yet to escape the title of "Hanoi Jane"
I don't feel it will be any different with the Dixie Chicks.
I agree that they spoke out, and it turns out they may have had a point in retrospect, however there was no way at the time they had the information necessary to make such statements. We were at war and our men and women were being killed in that war. People reacted the way they did because we WERE at war. For that reason they will forever be remembered as musicians that became political, condemning our idiot politicians and our country in public, while our young men and women were being killed for the freedoms they enjoyed to say such things. I hope I made that clear without being insulting. I am just trying to explain the thought process of most Americans.
I was upset at the time too and felt that it was bold of them to say things like they were saying, even if they eventually turned out to be right.
It was disrespectful to most Americans and it marred their careers in much the same way Jane Fondas career was marred. They will still make music and have a following, but most of the people that were offended by their remarks will always think of them in a bad light.

Yes, it was clear without being insulting. I really couldn't care less about the Dixie Chicks, it's just something that I've wondered about. So I turned it into a political discussion! I too, was very upset at the time, and I thought they should have waited about saying it. I actually think it's kind of funny that they pretty much screwed themselves, but it also makes me mad that had they been men, they wouldn't have been shunned that way. Thanks for accepting my friend request!

Wow. Your response is as perfect as SomethingGood's. I'm beginning to understand why you have difficulty with the "Best Response", and I can't even follow my own advice because I know you both equally.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you. I don't really care about the Dixie Chicks themselves (as I told Cheesehater), but I'm so sick of all of this. I know 23-year-old kids who have just as hard a time with PTSD as a Vietnam vet for having been involved in Baby Bushwhacker's mess. I agreed with what they said, but I thought they should have waited about saying it. When will it all be over? Since the Americans started it, do we have to be the ones to finish it? I am so sick of all of it, and the US government needs to get a serious clue!

I think that the US does have to finish it. But we are all now in so deep that we can't just pull out, take our ball home and play some place else. neither can the US afford for other countries to lose their support and to start dropping out, and that is happening now. It is a total shambles and as usual a few politicians will go into other things, you've already got Butcher Blair, (that pay fabulous sums) whilst the countries that they messed about with spend decades recovering. Except they never do because there is always some other joey waiting in the corner to screw up up all over again.

I like your analogy to children playing ball. It fits so well. I can't wait for the next president. My mom says "better the evil you know than the evil you don't", but the next one can't do much worse than this one. Now watch me have said that, and they come up with something far worse. Sheesh.

Thank you so much for the BR. I'm sure that I don't deserve it.

If you didn't, I wouldn't have given it.

Makes sense. Thanks for the post.

I have found that in the main body of a discussion the words "everyone" and "you" are very generalized terms, whereas in the response section they both tend to be more specific. Case in point:

From your screenname, I can guess that you are a Marine, and proudly so. I just want to say that I may not agree with everything our government does, and I may not agree with our Commander-in-Chief. But I believe I can show my support to the men and women at arms without supporting every action taken by the President. So on that note, I am grateful to you and your comrades for everything you all have done and continue to do for the safety and protection of our country, and not just for "the country" in and of itself. My kids sleep safely at night because of you and all soldiers. Many people's children sleep safely at night because of you all, and not only in the US. So I thank you and say prayers each day giving thanks and asking protection for the troops all over the world. Wherever you are in the world, Ldyjarhead, I hope that you are safe.

Thank you.

I served for more than 21 years and now retired, and my son just returned from his third tour in Iraq as a squad leader with the Marine infantry. His father served 26 yrs and saw action in VietNam and the Persian Gulf.

I can't say for certain that my feelings for the Bush administration would be any different if I could separate who I am (you know, once a Marine') from what I believe. I know he's not infallible, I don't know anyone that is. I do believe he's the best we have(had) to choose from at the time.

God help us all in November. I don't like any of our current choices.

I feel the same. Hence, this discussion. Thanks for posting!

I think everyone in America has the right to Freedom of Speech, however, I do believe that they could have done it with more tact, I do believe that they should have not back peddled

I don't like how they back peddled, they were very talented women who made some mistakes more than anything about when to say things.

And ironically it wasn't their words from my understanding which got them blackballed out of the music industry, they had a nasty contract fight with Sony which is what got them blackballed in the music world, I don't know the details, but they probably have some very very loyal fans that will always be loyal,

When they put out home on Curb records I loved that album and if they had continue to put out music like that I might have been able to get behind them even if I didn't like what htey say or think, just as I can like Peter Paul and Mary, even though one of them is very strong advocates that US was wrong in the Vietnam war, and has been apologizing for America's actions

Its not about what they stand for, its how they went about it, and I really didn't appreciate their attitudes at the Grammy's when one of them in a speech said 'I gueess we showed them' when they took all the country awards.....conceited and arrogant iif you ask me.

They don't play much of the Dixie Chicks on the Radio, anymore, and maybe that's because they don't have a contract with anyone....they all got very rich, and now they are finding that they can't fit into any Genre of music ...

their instruments say they are country, their attitudes say they are rock, but neither genre will completely accept them.

I wouldn't be surprised if some men did try to capatalize on the attacks to further their own career, but right now if I think if anyone gets behind the 'Chicks' in hte music business they are jeopardizing their own careers.

Mooch

I forgot to say that I hope we can agree to disagree, while I don't like the chicks not because of what htey believe, I feel that hte majority of their songs, and the way they portrayed themselves musically did not, and does not fit my style of country.

I loved, and I mean LOVE their Home album because it has such a blue grassy country feel to it.

I don't like what they did with their fly album, and they had a zipper on a pair of pants that said unzip to fly, I felt that was very very unapporpriate for kids, and the people that were really attracted to their music.

so please lets agree to disagree with this

Mooch

I agree. I am not overly fond of them on their own (the only song I like by them is "Earl"), it just really ticks me off that people overreacted so badly to what was said. If they had been men, it wouldn't have caused such a stir. I guess that's what makes me angriest.

Sperm out of marrow?! Freaky, but funny! Like I've said before, I don't really care about the Dixie Chicks themselves, just the fact that if they had been men their statements wouldn't have caused such a ruckus. IT P!SSES ME OFF!! I agree with you on the name-calling, too. %*#&@!#*$&!

lol yes! me and my gf are looking forward to that!lololol no more donors, just our own stuff :p

but really, it's so irritating when they start to boycott someone for tehir remark adn then it turns out they only did that to women...good for them that they spoke up...i guess being country singers and anti-war was not an option for some, but to them it was...go them ;)

Please read between the lines. This discussion is not totally about the Chicks. As I said before, I really don't care about them as the Dixie Chicks. The only reason I care is because they are women, they were too quickly judged, and had they been men, the whole thing would have blown right over. And as far as their saying that they were ashamed to be from Texas, NO MATTER WHERE THEY SAID IT, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAID, IT IS STILL THEIR RIGHT TO SAY IT. That is the point of American freedom, right? Even though they are women and it made such a stink for them to do so, when it wouldn't have been a problem for a man, IT IS STILL THEIR RIGHT TO SAY IT. It was not slanderous, did not infringe on anyone else's rights, and I don't think it made her sound like she didn't want to be part of this country, so it wasn't even traitorous. All she said was she was ashamed to be from the same place as our lousy president. As is her right as an American. So what if she was a b!tch? So am I. I'll bet you have your moments, too. Everyone does. And if you do still support him, I just have to laugh and ask "Why?" I'll bet you have tons of money to keep up with his failing economy, and enough money that his stupidity doesn't even faze your bank account or your mind.

First of all there is no reason to attack me. Yes I support the war because I remember spending two years watching Hostages being held in Iran, I remember seeing planes hijacked by terrorists and a navel diver killed and thrown out onto an airstrip, I remember hearing about the Olympics being shot at, and I remember 9/11. I have seen problems rise from the middle east all my life and every time we stop them and pull back they end up coming back and attacking us again. So yes I would like to see us squash them and make sure that they cannot attack us again ever!


You devoted most of the discussion about the Dixie Chicks and what they stated. I was pointing out that what happened was a culmination of events. It had nothing to do with them being female. It had to do with Natalie engaging her mouth before her brain. That the incident at the London Concert was the final straw and fans didn't want to hear it anymore. Yes she had a right to say whatever she wanted to and her fans have the same right not to buy her records anymore if they so choose.