Should we force non smokers to breathe our smoke?

yes if they had gone for that...distinct places...then that would have been fine.
But they didn't. They even accuse us of killing other people by smoking with lies. They prepare to ban smoking in the streets and homes, and even arrest people for smoking around their childrrn or in cars, or if a woman is pregnant and smoking, and so on.
Too far.

So to me by doing that and approving it, non smokers have sacrificed their rights too.
I can only respect those who respect me and my rights.

I am quite happy NOT to smoke around people who do not like it....but once they come out with all this I am killing them nonsense they need some "therapy" lol.

oops should read "Best Response"

Oh yeah.
You got it.
No different to when the Church let science off the bridle 400 years ago and paid them to find what they wanted .
Wiches were made of wood n stuff. so they'd float then they could burn them.
And the majority of people believed them then too.

researchers are hookers.
"Twenty five thousand dollar me love you long time" for couple of months fixing stats and then on to more paid work.


One scientist on tv recently was saying how if you want to do resarch project on squirrels in a wood in Kent you won't get funding.
BUT if you say you are looking at the impact of global warming on squirrels in the wood in kent you will have money thrown at you from all those making money out of the ida of gloabl warming....which includes the government. Hell they may be able to com up with an excuse for a squirrel tax.

The emperor is wearing no clothes in any of it.

Anyway thanks for commenting and glad to be of help.

lol yep that pic is so funny, the guy such a wimp, and she is quite hot too.

I ckon that it would make great book cover:

"Passive Smoking: the Con of the Decade"

Boring book with loads of statistical de bunking....but with a hot outrageous cover so it sells loads!

So I started a discussion about how smoking can actually be beneficial. As of this afternoon, I can no longer find it.

Do you think mylot deleted it? Was this discussion against the rules? Non-smokers can talk about how bad it is, but smokers cant talk about the actualbenefits!!!

now are you in any doubt of the gravity of the situation?
I think that kind of proves our point that social conditioning extends its tentacles everywhere.

Such links and discussions are regularly removed form internet sites.

There is one other possiblity...that my lot deleted it because you linked it to another discussion?
try reposting it Jess.

But my feeling is it has been removed for daring to challenge the propaganda.

its like you can talk about any preposterous conspiracy theory you like but hit on a real one and its censored.

take note those who doubted us.

Somebody doesn't want the truth known.

Yes and now smoking is the next tooth whitening agent being used and will be available in the next five years so how exciting is that, not only is it preventing cancers and is a miracle cure for many diseases but oh my god wait for it, there is more. WOW.

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There is no proof that smoking benefits health and to say that it does is really just condoning its use on a wider scale so that more people feel the need to do it because many want to quit and the disbelievers want them to never quit because they are unable to quit and want to continue with it just not alone.

The proof has been given you are free to debunk it but have not done so.
we all know it also has health risks.
but the situation right now is of paranoia and many of those who want to quit are saying so because they are frightened and have been shamed...which is a disgrace.

This amuses me because you have failed to convince many of us that smoking is healthy especially because your argument is plain unscientific and unlogical. All you are doing is screaming conspiracy theory. There is no evidence on this entire discussion that states otherwise.

You have every right to smoke but you can't keep imagining that it doesn't hurt you and other people. Maybe you have been lucky not to lose someone to smoking related illness or pains. Maybe there is a reason why my friend can not run a mile without stopping to walk and he is young, healthy oh except for one thing, he smokes.

as usual blumars you haven't read the links.
It is you who have failed to provide any evidence.
it isn't a conspiracy theory....the historical evidence and scientific facts are clear.

I find annoying children unpleasant, some people find ethnic minorities, loud music, erotic images, etc etc unpleasant...shall we ban all those too?

Quite frankly I find it unplesant to be around such intolerant people and would like a place we can go where such unpleasant folk like you do not annoy us.

lol which bit?

it isn't that weird if one knows their history. The same bad science, smoking bans and propaganda have been used before:
http://www.forces.org/articles/art-fcan/nazi2.htm

We beat that nonsense then and we will do it again.

not at all travibabiesgirl; it is interesting input.

may I ask what occupations your grandfathers had; whether they were in a similar environment etc?

also, just to take some worry from you, it may well be genetic disposition that conributes to lung cancer; yet ironically it appears that their fourth and fifth generation smokers start to lower their disposition. American indian for example, long used to tobacco, have less susceptibility to lung cancer.
This is how evolution works.
For example when the whole planet was wiped out of land life millions of years ago by comet and peristent fire and hat, the cockroach survived as it learnd to eat ash. I think it is the only animal that does so. Now the first cockroaches that would have done this would have had terrible illness, cancers etc. But they also bred. It is their offspring that survived while those that did not adapt perished.

I am not sure what all my grandfathers had done. I know one was in the armed services and later became a plumber. He also rebuilt antique cars later in life. The other all I ever known him to have done was have a dairy farm. What you are saying does really make sense. I found the cockroach thing very interesting and I always said those creepy things could survive anything.

well th are links between both meat/dairy industry and lung cancer and exhaust fumes/body shop paint workers and lung cancer.
however the timing of your grandparents cancers suggest a common experience far more agressive than smoking.
Only between 3 and 9 smokers ever develop lung cancer so you see the odds of that being to blame at the same time are phenomenal.

Yes lol it will be the creepy smokers who end up with the strongest genes lol. In caifornia alrady there are signs of weakness in children with allergies and asthma on vast upward curve because they are wrappd in cotton wool.