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hydralistor (17) 4 years ago

Before 1959, tibet is under dalai lama's rule. The social status is following:
All the arable lands belongs to two groups. One is the rich theocratic lama and the other is rich secular landlords. Those land are serverd by nopaying serfs. Dalai mama is the largest landlord and serf owners with more than 25000 serfs(slaves). He owned their lives, their family, even their unborn child. dalai lama himself live in a 100room, 14 story palace while all those serfs own nothing.

Dalai lama had a monk army of more than 10000. They got the CIA support of money and weapon during the 1959 uprising.

The life expectancy of old tibetan is only 35-37 before 1959.
The infant fatality rate is more than 40% before 1959.
The illeteracy rate is more than 90% before 1959.
The population of tibet was about 1.2 Millsion in 1959.
There is no water, electricity, education system before 1959.

Now the tibetans enjoys a much better life.
the life expectancy is 68.
the infance fatality is 0.6 percent.
the illeteracy rate is 15%.
the population is about 5 -6 Million.
tibet people enjoy free water, electicity and education.



 

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tags:  tibet, feudal system, free tibet, history, oppressed people
 
1. myLot reputation of 72/100. indium (1575)   4 years ago

and the same stats for china in 1959? for the rest of asia in 1959?


hydralistor (17)  4 years ago

of course not.
The rest of china is not under the brutal feudalism rule of dalai lama.
There is no slavery in rest of china for more than one thousand years.
dalai lama himself is the biggest dictator, he owned so many lives of normal tibetan serfs.
The old tibet is a living hell of normal serfs.

Only the western fools will believe him for his version of freedom or human rights.



myLot reputation of 72/100. indium (1575)  4 years ago

you misunderstood my point. what were those stats for the rest of asia at the time? The whole world has improved literacy since 1959 so on its own with out comparison those mean nothing.


hydralistor (17)  4 years ago

You only wants my stats.
You claim that there is so much tortures, killings, mishap of tibetans. where is your prove?


myLot reputation of 72/100. indium (1575)  4 years ago

where's your proof that all is well there?


hydralistor (17)  4 years ago

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
http://discussions.pbs.or...


myLot reputation of 11/100. Alle91 (106)  4 years ago

Indium, do you have a rational reason for writing like you think absolutely anything or anyone Chinese is trying to deceive you?


There, happy now?

China:

1960 Life Expectancy : 45 years
1960 Infant Mortality : 15%
1950 Illiteracy Rate : 80%
1960 Population : 556.7 Million (now doubled)
And there were already hospitals, roads and schools unlike Tibet.

Illiteracy Rate in Tibet 1959 was actually 97%

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2. myLot reputation of 77/100. puccaLOVESgaru (464)   4 years ago

lol. there were no Dalai Lama's at that time, just Buddhist Teacher teaching Buddhism in different Buddhism schools.

1236-1354:
what your talking about was Drogon Chogyal Phagpa the state preceptor of Tibet SENT by Kublai Khan to administer Tibet. Drogon made an attempt to imposed Sakya hagemony (master and servant) and was affirmed by Khan and he made Drogon the Dishi(ruler) of Tibet. thus became Feudalism and enter YOUR POINT (the slavery in Tibet).

1500's:
start of the Dalai Lama lineage.


am tired of typing so i'll just post the link so READ IT ok.??? so you wont embarrass yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tibet


hydralistor (17)  4 years ago

what else can you find puccaLovesgaru?
I am still waiting for your footage of chinese police wielding wooden stick against tibet monks.


hydralistor (17)  4 years ago

puccalovesgaru.
Are you embarrassed to support the biggest slave master in the world?

Are you embarrassed to support a dictator who can cut one arm/leg, gauge one eyes with a move of his lip?

Are you embarrassed to take away the land and belongs of 80% people and give them all to one person?


myLot reputation of 77/100. puccaLOVESgaru (464)  4 years ago

go to abscbn-interactive.com, then find/click TIbet riots


duh! China, britain, france among many others HAD feudalism a long time ago. its the OLD world custom and its malignant all over the world.

and also ARE you ashamed by your countries Human Rights atrocities NOT just in Tibet but in India and Sudan as well???

are you ashamed by your Countries DICTATORSHIP and locked down towards its people??

and lastly wouldn't you care to correct your erroneous post?? lol

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3. myLot reputation of 66/100. OUTBACKBEN (741)   4 years ago

The feudal system was broken by the Chinese government and the oppressed people were liberated.

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4. myLot reputation of 35/100. urbandekay (6784)   4 years ago

A little more Tibetian history.

Tibet as an independent nation is recorded in history as long ago as 7th Century when the then King, Namri Lonstan sent an ambassador to China.

From the 7th to 11th Centuries a series of Tibetan Emporers ruled Tibet, their Empire extending as far as Bengal and parts of Mongolia. Thus at this time is was more than just a separate state but head of an empire.

After 200 years, following the death of Langdarma, their was a struggle over succession and civil was resulted. The empire became divided.

In 1244, the Mongols recognising Tibet as an independent state began negotiations for its surrender. It is around this time that China also came into the Mongol empire.

Thus there is ample evidence until 1244 that Tibet was an independent state. Khubilai left both the Chinese and Tibetan legal and administrative systems intact and operating independently and whilst the Chinese system of exams nor Neo-Confucian policies operated in China there were not implemented in Tibet.

As the Mongol empire faded to be replaced by China, administration of Tibet passed to China but it is important to note that this was as a conquered country.

In the 18th century the Dalai Lama became sovereign of Tibet, the executive function delegated to a council of ministers. Thus sovereignty was restored, although the Chines insisted on retaining the right to dictate choice of Dalai Lama.

Following an invasion by Gurkhas, Tibet called on Chinese military aid and this lead to China attempting to tighten its control over this sovereign state. This control wained to being a mere formality, appointment of the Dalai Lama being approved in Bejing after the event.

As British forces caused the retreat of Tibetan influence in Nepal and the power of the Qing government declined.

In 1841 cessation of hostilities with the Punjabs was concluded by the Tibetians without recourse to Bejing and again in 1856 Tibet made peace with Nepal without recourse to Bejing.

The Chinese claim that at this time Tibet agreed to allegiance with China. Now only a sovereign state can make allegiance. So, that is a clear indication that China regarded Tibet as a sovereign state at the time.

Thus we can see that Tibet has been an independent state, a ruler of an empire, an subjugated state under first the Mongols and then the Chinese. We can also see it emerge from Chinese control, once again as an independent state.

In the late 19th Century British empire agents were actively trading in Tibet and Britain In 1893 China signed, by Ho Chang-Jung, a treatise with Britain from which I quote,

"In the event of trade disputes arising between British and Chinese or Tibetan subjects in Tibet..." thus we can see that China recognised the existence of Tibetan citizens and therefore of a Tibetan state.

On 8th January 1913 Tibet and Mongolia signed treatise mutually recognising the sovereignty of each.

Following revolution in China, Tibetan forces expelled remaining Chinese military and Chinese officials signed a document providing for the expulsion of all Chinese forces from Tibet.

In 1914 British Chinese and Tibetan representative met and a document was drawn up giving Tibet independence from Chinese control whilst Tibet remained nominally under Chinese Suzarianty.(It is important to note that Suzarianty does not confer sovereignty to China, thus Tibet still remains a Sovereign state)

Despite agreeing to this China then reneged on the agreement, never the less having agreed any moral claim to sovereignty surely ceases.

Between 1920 and 30 China attempted unsuccessfully to reassert sovereignty and again this alone is sufficient to cede Tibet as an independent state.

From this period China had no representation in Tibet, this not being re-established until a mission was sent in 1934

Tibet remained de-facto independent of Chinese control from 1912 until the Chinese invasion. Thus its sovereignty cannot be in doubt.

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