China's Round-Up of Cats To Make Country "Clean" Before Olympic Games   

Chinese people have never tried to make inferior products and export them to kill USA people. Do you have evidence that they try to kill you.? Please don't insult Chinese people with your ignorance.

If u do hate chinese products and foods like that, you can choose not to use products made in China.

sending chinese people to a death camp? try and see!!!
I think you have no right to say such kind of word here, caz your own mouth is not clean at all

Blackbriar. If you're going to say crap like that, then I am also going to say crap. What makes the USA so much better than China, at least China isn't starting wars around the world. How about rounding up all the people in America and sending them to a death camp. That would clean the world up. Think about what you said mate.

DUH!!!!! Read response #6 and THAT will explain my reponse. Sorry, but a friend of mine just had to bury her 3yr. son last month cause of CHINA. Plus, I knew dozens and dozens of aninmals that suffered cruely till death ended their pain cause of CHINA as well. I'm all for the innocent cats that they want to kill now over there. They didn't mention dogs cause they prolly ate them all. Again, prolly cruely killing them first.

Doesn't explain why you think everyone in China deserves to get put in a 'death camp'.

Pye, I tried signing the petition but I keep getting the message that they can't send it because I already did. Funny, I don't recall signing this petition from Ally Cats or Care2.

Ok then, I'll amend it a lil. E1 who is involved in wanting to kill all the cats over there and sending inferior products here as well. I'm just pissed cause my friend and I'm sure others here lost their child over something that could of been prevented BEFORE the products even were built and all the needless suffering and deaths of the animals here as well. Thank god I never bought my pets' food from over there or my furbabies would all be dead as well.

ok, more reasonable...does that amendment also include all the american companies who are stingey and ship their factories to China because it's cheap, and has forgotten that the price would be too cheap to actually pay for a proper health and safety inspection to make sure the products meet the standards of your country?

Therefore I have a proposal. Perhaps, the companies that are importing the products should hold their own mandatory inspections, because the Chinese factories are paid hardly enough to get the product made, let alone do scientific research to work out whether their products are safe.

I'm also against that as well. Seems like I'm always reading yet another company here in the US is moving overseas cause of cheaper labor which means more ppl here out of jobs and on the streets as a direct result of that. No question about them being stingy there. These company owners have expensive houses, drive expensive cars, spend spend spend but yet don't want to pay their workers what they are worth. Maybe the Chinese should start their own union of sorts to be paid fairly or something. Yeah,cheap labor but then how are they supposed to raise their families on the meager wages. It's pretty tough here for even the middle class ppl to earn a living now with the prices of everything we need to survive going up but our wages aren't.

I think China unfortunately still has a fair way to go before it can establish unions.

The problem is that it's been a feudalistic society for 2000 years and until pretty recently, force was pretty much the only way they knew they could get things done. So their society's thinking is probably still about half a century behind developed nations. The whole concept of human rights just hasn't been completely comprehended, and they're suspicious about things like free speech and human rights because that's just not how they got things were done before. So until these things can really SETTLE into their whole way of THINKING, then democracy will come. Once the society accepts free speech then unions can form. I think they did have a crack at democracy before, but I think people started getting killed and stuff.

I reckon a lot of people can't be stuffed thinking about human rights etc. because they're still hungry, but probably the sooner they can comprehend them, then it'll actually make the situation better. They're kind of all linked together. You can see the 'non-hungry' countries are the ones who have proper human rights. Once human rights are accepted, people start to value animal rights too. I'm tired and rambling.

Yikes hold the phone here!
Time out!

First of all lynettebyc --maybe blackbrier's words were a bit harsh, especially about the death camp business, but folks like us who are passionate about animals don't sanction the idea the Chinese govt is proposing here on principle. Also China does not have a good track record on how the government treats it's own people and human rights affairs...hey remember Tiananmen Square, or even their treatment then and now of Tibetans?

As far as Chinese products are concerned....yes, maybe the workers themselves are not intentionally making inferior products as they no doubt are in the dark of the hazardous materials being used in their products and in effect are often at risk themselves in handling such items...such as toxic lead paint in children's toys, or contaminated wheat that was grown in China then shipped to pet manufacturing plants in Canada and US, and it turned out the Wheat was not only contaminated but resulted in the deaths of thousands of pets.

as far as NOT buying products from China...do you realize how hard it is to find NON-Chinese made products as they are made and sold so cheaply which is why non-Chinese companies import such items ...almost everything is made in China now--including car parts for cars that might be assembled in Germany, France, and of course the US

Alle91...see your comment about China not starting wars all over the world...while China may not be starting wars all over the world, the treatment by the Chinese govt to its own people is horrendous--to the point of genocide of its own peoples and to me, that is just as bad

lol. I was just parodising what blackbriar was saying, because she said that ALL chinese needed to be rounded up, but it's 'ammended' anyway, so it's cool. As for 'genocide', I think that's over exaggerated. cheers

No I can't imagine the cats being put down humanely

Thank you for signing the petition....I hope it does some good as well and the Chinese govt listens

Thank you YorkieBear for signing the petition I hope it does good and stops this. I'm almost surprised I haven't gotten any alerts about this via my alerts from something like HSUS or ASPCA--I came across this by accident by looking at the Alley Cat Allies website
Yes they should at least try to initiate the TNR method that many countries do to minimize the over population of cats

You are more then welcome and I too hope it does good to stop this. Why they feel they have to do something like this when there are so many other avenues to take. That is nothing but animal cruelty and it needs to be STOPPED!!!

Thanks ever for signing the petition Howard--I think a lot of people are against the Olympic Games to be held there in principles for the govt inhumane treatment of its peoples in general

I know it does seem an irony that the Olympics have always represented a gathering of peoples from all over the world, whether we agree with their "politics" or not and is a time of goodwill, but yes seems ironic that they are to be held in China where their govt is anything but humane...perhaps a lot of people forget about the whole Tianamen Square incident of 1989

We shouldn't forget. We shouldn't forget.

I'm a cat lover too banunche, and you're so right, this is not the answer to making their capital nice and clean for the Olympics

joysun...hold the phone here okay.
First of all I'm glad to hear that you are proud of you're being Chinese, just as I'm proud to being American, and by that I can rightfully claim a true American, as I'm part Native American...that is my ancestry is of the original indigenous peoples here in this country.

Second of all I think there is a great misinterpretation here. I think I can speak for a lot of people, not just myself, that non of us are in general against Chinese people--this could actually be more of a general feeling of non-Chinese people against the practices by the Chinese government itself, which I think you can admit has been anything but humane in it's treatment of its own people for centuries. Need I remind you of the Tianamen Square incident of 1989 in which was a virtual massacre of people---The same genocidal tendencies as you know occurred in my own country against we Native peoples so our government has also been inhumane to the peoples here as well
I do sympathize with the Chinese people as they are unfortunately being targeted for all the things that have occurred recently, especially when it comes to the inferior products that have been manufactured in China, though I repeat, not due to the fault of the people themselves, but by the companies that want to cut corners, manufacture products cheaply by people who get perhaps pennies for their labor, but sold in non-Chinese countries making the companies rich
As for the statement you make that

..."the world is "interested" in China I can think of, is that you guys are jealous and afraid of a more powerful China!
We are getting stronger and stronger now. And you are afraid of that! ..."

No that is so far from the truth to be comical---the only real reason why non-Chinese countries might be interested in China, since I as I mention the world in general has found a country that can produce and manufacture items very cheaply, and like I said paying the Chinese people next to dirt as salaries while the rest of the world makes money out of that labor--which of course is unfair---

Frist, thank you for your reply and I am rather glad to see someone more reasonable than some people in Paris or London recend days.
Well, hope you notice that China is only a country with merely 60 years of history. And many things do need improvement, I admit. By the way, I don't think I belong to those mindwashed'cause actually I live in Hong Kong. Our factories are still producing low-value-added and even maybe some inferior products as you mentioned here. But please understand that it is the only way for a nation who suffered so much and finally in the 1980s found a way to rich to get rich at the very beginning.In fact, teens like me, are all working hard to make our country other than the so-called "world factory" and some do set a great examples.
One of the major teams you U.S basketball team will meet in the Beijing Olympics is Argentina. And yet Argentina wears LINING brand which is made in China. Same is Spain, the newest world championship.
In fact, we notice that some of our factories produce not-so-good products and we are improving that, with great effort. Just a little time and we will do better.
For the government, well, I'd say I like my government because most of our lives got significantly or unbelievable improvement in these decades. And I am one who benefit from that.
May be last post I was a bit "on fire" but that's because recently there are so many unfair comments about China. And I declare again, that Tibet is a part of China and that China did not pose militant pressure on Tibet. But when Tibet starts killing Han people, do you regard it reasonable for our government to take that for granted and do nothing?
In fact, Chinese government has already given Tibetans much freedom. I once heard that a Tibetan student in HangZhou killed a Han student and didn't receive any punishment just because he is Tibetan!
Those last words are not targeted on you. Just hope to let more people know the truth. One more is better than none.

orz~wrong spelling...First, not "frist"....

Now I must thank you for your reply to me---there's one great point you make here..and to quote you

Tibet is a part of China and that China did not pose militant pressure on Tibet. But when Tibet starts killing Han people, do you regard it reasonable for our government to take that for granted and do nothing?
In fact, Chinese government has already given Tibetans much freedom. I once heard that a Tibetan student in HangZhou killed a Han student and didn't receive any punishment just because he is Tibetan!


This can be a reflection of what happened in our country as well. As I mentioned I'm of Native American blood...the Europeans who came here and for too long this government thought it right to try to eliminate the "Indian" problem and this had gone on since the first European landed in this country right up to the early 1900s and even beyond that...nothing was thought of killing off Native American peoples at all...but if Native peoples tried to defend their own homeland they were thought of as savage heathens and were killed off or massacred...When all it was a case of native peoples trying to live on their OWN land...land they had lived on for centuries...was that right either? The "anglo" population thought nothing of killing off Indians, yet if an Indian killed off the "white man" brutal attacks were made--such as Wounded Knee, Sand Creek Massacre, etc---there is actually still some hostilities against native peoples with "anglos"---

As I've mentioned to the poster above you, who is also Chinese, I'm glad you are proud to be Chinese, and as I also mentioned to him, that I don't think any of us here who are non=chinese are against the people per se, but of the many inhumane practices perpetuated by the Chinese govt itself that has been going on for centuries in your country ....You mention things like Vietnam here, among other things, but don't forget many of our people were against that war just as we're against the war in Iraq...But just what have you been told of the Tianamen Square incident of 1989 in which was a virtual massacre of your people?
I realize too, that non-chinese countries are taking a great advantage of your people, by the labor of manufactured products where workers get pennies for their labor while the companies engaging in such products become rich...an unfair practice to say the least--may I ask a question? Do you completely agree with everything your govt does? We certainly don't

I am definitely not against China or Chinese.

In fact,next to my country,I like China and Korea till yesterday.

I always admire their talent and their hard working.

What I said as "hearts made of stone" is only those who are responsible for killing of the stray cats and those who are in responsible for health and hygiene,who didn't do their duty properly.They should have taken steps long ago and that too in a good way.

Please don't interpret what I said wrongly.

I definitely did NOT mean all Chinese.Only those concerned in the killing of cats.

yeah, its not cool to cull animals. I think rather than having to kill a whole lot now, they should've taken some preventive measures like desexing so the cat population didn't spiral out of control...that would've been alot more humane, but the country probably can't afford it especially when so many people are still living in poverty. But its unfortunate that culling of animals happens even in countries like Australia, the RSPCA puts down heaps of cats and dogs every year, because the animal shelter simply can't afford to sustain that many. They also culled kangaroos a few months ago because they were ruining land. Is it ok to kill cane toads though? because they're considered a pest?

lol Learned from my post, did ya, 98765m? I was in a rotten mood when I responded to it so didn't think straight and had to amend it somewhat myself.

lol sorry, didn't mean to chuck a psycho... ;P

Im a pet owner, and they are like family. it makes me terribly sad....

Quite alright, Alle91. I was a lil psyco myself with my post. Like I said, was in a rotten mood when I read and responded to this post and reading about the cats being killed just pushed me over the edge. Wasn't in my 'right' mind. You just 'knocked' me down a few pegs which is what I needed to come out the whacked out mood I was in. Feeling much better now thou.

Yea,you are right.

Well,you see when someone says some pets are killed,then I would be in my worst mood in no time,however good mood I am initially.

While writing,I never thought it would look like I am talking against Chinese.

After reading your post,I read mine.I never ever thought my post might be that rude!

Since I feel that I've been a bit bashed here especially by two Chinese posters here, I think they misinterpret what I was saying here--

I'm not against the Chinese people either, and I don't think any of the rest of us here are either....but one would have to admit the Chinese govt has committed a lot of genocidal autrocities against its own peoples over the centuries --Their own govt takes advantage of its people by it's cheap labor force, paying the Chinese workers next to nothing while the rest of the world gets rich to the cheap labor...and yes albeit many of the products manufactured in China have had the largest recall incidents in history...from toxic lead painted toys to contaminated food products that were processed in pet foods resulting in thousands of deaths of people's beloved pets...but it's not the Chinese peoples fault for this but the unscrupulous practices of the companies in charge...the mere fact that so many workers were producing these toxic toys, put them at risk themselves and they were exposed to this toxicity...and to me that almost sounds like the companies involved and ultimately the Chinese govt itself, doesn't care of the risk factors they are exposing their own people--does it?