Polygamy scandal. Are the children in danger? What's your take on the matter?  |
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I was shocked by the entire polygamy scandal in Texas. After watching a segment on the Today Show, I became interested in researching how the whole mess came about. I think that as far as polygamy goes, to each their own. However, I began thinking about the children and their safety. I am upset at the idea of a child being regarded a woman upon her beginning to menstruate. When I say woman I mean marrying and starting a family woman. I know that thousands of years ago things were very different. THe life expectancy was shorter, they married and had families at younger ages. As technology grew, people and their values broaden. Women, african american and other minorities became equals. I dont think its right to think that every child with a period can be a wife. SHame on the men that choose these children. I think that the situation in Texas is almost at cult status. I love my children and I couldnt imagine giving them up to marry a much older man. I understand that these people have their own views and rights to live the way they choose. However, they have basically cut off the rest of the world. No matter what we think, someone did call the police and say they were scared and in need of help. WHen this happens in a normal marriage, police are expected to investigate if for nothing more than making sure the children are safe. I think its terrible the way they took the children from the compound. I also think the fact that not all of the mothers went with their children, after being given the option is an outrage! My children are my first priority before myself, my husband, and family. How can you tell me that somethings not wrong? Just by watching the women on TV you can see that they are not all there as far as their mental capabilities are concerned. I mean no disrespect towards the women. If my child was taken in such a manner it would be hard for me to contain myself. These women showed NO emotion. Thats ODD. What is your take on the situation?
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1. barbiegirl13 (960) | 5 months ago | I agree with you on this. NO child should be considered legal to marry until they are 18 years old. These people's views are sick and twisted. They have robbed their children of innocence. These women who call themselves " mothers " do not deserve their children back. It is a mothers responsibility to protect their children. Instead they allowed grown men to abuse and impregnate their little girls. I can't stand to watch any of the media coverage it makes me sick. hopefully the government will be able to help these children get to a " normal " state of childhood.
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dloveli (420) | 5 months ago | I agree. And you know what else is sad? The media will sell newspapers and airtime because of this scandal. People like drama and this is drama in its fullest. Thanks for responding. dl
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walijo2008 (1235) | 5 months ago | i agree with you on this, I think its sick to let men be with 12,13 and 14 yr. old girls. And if you notice anytime the news people ask the mothers about the fathers they won't answer, and try to change the subject. I feel sorry for the children tho, because they know nothing about this world, they've spent all their lives in the compound, I imagine they are scared to death. I hope someone gets the children some kind of counseling.
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2. dragon54u (2840) | 5 months ago | This post contains content of a mature nature. You must be Signed in or Registered to have the option to view this content.
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dloveli (420) | 5 months ago | In fairness, I think there is probably a good side for polygamy. At least for those involved. I would hope that some people that are involved in this practice take the realistic side of it and leave the children alone. We can only hope. I dont want to fault all for the crimes of one. From what I can see the husband is the problem. He knows how to take advantage of vulnerable women. Shame on him. Thanks dl
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3. melissaruth1 (2730) | 5 months ago | This post contains content of a mature nature. You must be Signed in or Registered to have the option to view this content.
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dragon54u (2840) | 5 months ago | I lived in Arizona for nearly 30 years and believe me, they won't do a thing about it. Every once in awhile someone escapes a polygamist stronghold, there are even people in AZ that help them, it hits the media and the free newspaper (NewTimes) does a story then it all fades away fairly quickly. The governor, present and past, won't do anything because of the political implications. Don't hold your breath hoping Arizona will do anything. Everything there is political, even more than many other states.
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dloveli (420) | 5 months ago | Its really sad. I am sitting here wishing there was something I could do. As you two stated it will eventually get swept under the rug. FOr these men to have all the things they have and all of that control someones got to be doing something to these politicians so they wont look into this situation. I find it very hard to believe this is the first complaint. Its probably the first one that slipped by. Thanks dl
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melissaruth1 (2730) | 5 months ago | Well I went to john mccains website and posted a question to his site. I asked him as the candidate for all the people, not just some of the people, those are his campaign slogan words, and as a senator of Arizona why has no one stood up to help these abused and neglected children. I have not got a response, but i will ask it every week until I get one.
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4. chicospagal (139) | 5 months ago | I agree. This is shocking all around. Between this ordeal and the "pregnant man" (transexual who kept his/her reprodcutive organs), I can't imagine raising children with this kind of stuff flying around the airwaves. Dont' get me wrong, I'm glad to be in the know about how sick and twisted this world is. I just wouldn't want to have to explain to a 5 year old what a polymist is, or why a "man" is having a baby. There are so many children involved in this, and so much, "inbreeding," for lack of a more P.C. term...it will be interesting to see what all those DNA tests turn up. My heart goes out to the kids and their brainwashed mothers.
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dloveli (420) | 5 months ago | Its funny to think that when I was a kid, homosexuality was a big deal or inter racial dating. Now look. I am so upset that my daughter is subject to these issues on a daily basis and there is nothing we can do. Unless I lock her away. THere's a thought. lol
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chicospagal (139) | 5 months ago | Good point. You want to know what's worse? The pro-"pregnant man" crowd use the same logic to justify that situation. They say "the thought of test tube babies was atrocious when it first came out, but now nobody blinks an eye at such infertility treatments." You can hardly compare the two, IMHO! It's a sick and twisted world we live in!
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| jamie62476 (30) | 3 months ago | This sick and twisted world is only going to get worse and as a parent it is getting harder and ahrder to keep kids on the straight and narrow, but as it is my responsibility to raise my boyz with morals and decency, it will keep at it.
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5. lilwonders123 (1396) | 5 months ago | I have followed this case. While I do believe in freedom of religion, I do not believe that girls should be married before they are 18. Has anyone heard about the girl that called the police that got this whole thing started? They found her and guess what, not only was she NOT living on the compound, but she never had or has anything to do with them. But she lied about the whole thing. I wonder how this will effect the states case. I also wonder if the people on teh compound can go after that woman for filing faults claims against them. http://www.9news.com/news...
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dragon54u (2840) | 5 months ago | There was some concern about that but Texas law apparently allows police to take action if there is reasonable cause to think that children are being abused, no matter where the call came from or who made it. At least that's what they said on the evening news.
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lilwonders123 (1396) | 5 months ago | Well that is good. I just wondered how this was going to effect their case.
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dloveli (420) | 5 months ago | I think that the woman who started all this should be punished. Splash her face all over the news and let America see what a horrible person, with too much time on her hands looks like. I am sorry that these people were subject to this. However, I do think it was a blessing. Something isnt right there. You can tell just by the fact that the father never speaks out to protect the women he is supposed to be so much in love with. My biggest problem with the whole situation is the fact that some of the mothers refused to go with their children. They offered each of the moms a chance to be placed in a safe house with their children. No one ever said they had to leave forever. THis was for the duration of the investigation. I am a parent and I know I would jump at the chance. I think the women were afraid. If they went with the children, they may be harmed when they rejoin the family. Maybe they wouldnt let them rejoin. Who knows? We will never though the real goings on. I just hope the children are given a chance to dedice for themselves when, where, and with whom they want to be intimate. Thanks dl
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6. Modestah (7402) | 5 months ago | I do not get television or newspaper so I am not really familiar with all the details of the story - and surely there is a lot more to know than what I am about to base my reply on. my thoughts - while I think polygamy is ghastly how can they remove these children from their parents/s/s/s/s/s when adultery is wide spread all over this nation with narry an eyebrow raised anymore. I would love if adultery were still illegal - but if it is it certainly is not punished anymore.... also rampant is having children out of wedlock - so though these people are not married despite their belief that they are - how is it different than adultery and having children out of wedlock that is very common in our society?
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oneandonemakesix (24175) | 5 months ago | the problem is the age that these kids were being reportedly forced into marriage that has become the issue, and in fact a couple news papers have reported that a couple of the girls lied saying that they were over 18, when in fact they were only 16... One of the biggest challenge is trying to determine what child belongs to what mother as some live in communal homes and no one really knew who the mother really was. Mooch
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dloveli (420) | 5 months ago | What happened was that there was a polygamist family and the husband went to jail. His brother then took over the compound in Texas. Supposedly the authorities received a phone call from a young girl named "Sarah" she stated that she was forced to marry a much older man(58) and he beat her terribly while she is pregnant. They eventually raided the compound and took the children. THe authorities offered the mothers a chance to go with their children. A few went and most went back to the compound. This is just a very broad outline of the issue. According to the rules of the compound, once a female child began her period, she was married to men outside the compound. It was said the children these relationships had were sent to the compound. When they raided the compound there were over 400 children. The male children had to leave the compound. Go to other compounds. THis was to prevent inbreeding. I am upset at the huge generalization made regarding the young females. Not everyone is as mature as one another. I dont think it should be allowed that once you menstruate, you are ready to become a wife and raise a family. Some were as young as 14 years old. I love my children and would go to hell and back for them. I dont understand the women's rationalization on leaving their children alone in state custody. They had the option to be with them until the whole mess was sorted out. I hope this helps. You really dont get newspaper or watch television? Please share? What do you do for hobbies? You seem like a very interesting person. You are lucky. You dont have to be shocked or upset by the terrible actions of others. Your children will not have to be introduced on a daily basis to sick individuals hurting people and our resources. Thanks dl
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7. whywiki (2750) | 5 months ago | I think they have all been brainwashed and it is nothing more than a cult. I think the mothers should lose custody until they have had their minds free. The kids need to be far away from that toxic environment as possible until they become used to normal life in the normal world. It is all a tragedy and I think someone should have done something years ago before it ever got this far. And to think people think atheists are weird!
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dloveli (420) | 5 months ago | I think that is a good possibility. It is sad. However, predators prey on the vulnerable. People that werent so pretty or popular, a victim, a person that cant get a break. It seems like they finally have succeeded. I feel for any woman that is victimized. Dont get me wrong, some may have chose the polygamist life style and to each their own. Just wait until your children are mature enough mentally, physically, and most importantly emotionally. That's all I ask.
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8. OreoCookie3 (13266) | 5 months ago | This post contains content of a mature nature. You must be Signed in or Registered to have the option to view this content.
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dloveli (420) | 5 months ago | That is a good thought. I think that could be the case. Most of those types of situations prey on the vulnerable. People play on a persons emotions. The fact is that marriage so be based on love. Not the fact that a child is finished puberty. Just a thought. Thanks dl
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9. oneandonemakesix (24175) | 5 months ago | I believe there was emotion, as there are news reports of them and the kids not understanding why what is going on, one mother held a sign SOS taken from our children Help! I don't believe the state is acting out of fairness and I don't think they have a clue as to what they are doing. Lets break this down.... 1. the compound/ranch was raided based on a call from a 16 year old girl who claimed to be raped and strangled by her 50 year old husband.....and to have had a baby by him, Please note: to this day there has been no 16 year old found that made the call, 2. Another call that was traced to another state a woman made false claims which said that she was a member of the FDLS and it was a total lie 3) Lets look at the constitutional guarantee of Freedom of Religion--um the way this ranch was raided, the children and mothers yanked apart was a total violation of that right, this whole case defies the constitution of freedom of religion. 4) But Polygamy is illegal in the US, and that's so very true, so where do we draw the line for this case between law and freedom of religion, I guess that's where the courts are supposed to come in. I don't think the courts have a case if there is no 16 year old Sara found and her child. Mooch
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lilwonders123 (1396) | 5 months ago | That is the exact problem the state now has. There is no "sara". The call was hoax. That will hurt their case. IF none of the girls are calling for help saying they are abused they are going to have a problem proving their case.
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dloveli (420) | 5 months ago | At this point I think we all realize that the call was either a hoax or the girl is not speaking out and used a fake identity. We all have seen people add fuel to the fire in cases before. When any kind of crime happens, there are always calls from people who just want to be a part of the drama for some sick reason. For me, the state may be wrong in its reasoning but I think they had something and needed a reason to investigate. We'll never know for sure. I only hope that people realize that a god of your choice would never take your free will. If you are put into a situation where the man you love and want to become one under the eyes of the lord has more than one wife, think about it and the consequences. I dont care if they marry a monkey I just think that it should be a monkey who is mature enough to understand the entire outcome. No child, because of their menstruation cycle should be given to aperson they dont even know much less love. Nothing will ever mean more to me about this situation than this fact. I am sure there are some polygamist situations that are happy and loving. This situation is not one of them. I think people need to realize that this is a case about children not polygamy. As a society when tend to want to take someones sexuality, religion, and or ethnicity over the underlying issues. I am also not saying that all mothers involved showed no emotion. I think they are a raised to accept this as the norm. I think once you become a mother, the child takes first priority. Dl
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10. pukaprat (313) | 5 months ago | i dont see what the fuss is all about. i mean this kind of stuff has being going on since the beginning of time. as for them concidered women- well, so do the japanese, chinese and microneasians- i totally spelled that wrong. but anyways- the moms of course are scared. if you say there was no emotion and you do the research on abused women you will find that those women are hiding within themselves and have been raised in such a way that they dont know what is right from wrong.
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dloveli (420) | 5 months ago | I dont care about the polygamy. I care about the choice being taken away from a child as to whether or not they want to marry. ALso not to be able to pick your husband.THis is the 21st century. Come on already. Did they honestly think every child was going to do whatever they want without rebelling? I am a parent and they are lucky a child didnt speak out long ago. I understand they are saying there is no child or phone call. THink about it? Maybe she didnt give her real name. Maybe she was calling about her sister or a friend. Whatever the reason, rumors usually evolve from a fact. dl
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