What Is Your Understanding Of The E-Bay Buying And Selling Policy?
By Darkwing
@Darkwing (21583)
June 29, 2008 4:29pm CST
I'm asking this because my son sells on E-Bay. He put a Mr. Frosty Ice Maker up for auction, with a starting price of 99p. The bids had reached £1.45, and there were two main people vying for the item, both of whom contacted my daughter-in-law, outside E-Bay. They both asked if they could buy the item, at a set price. One of them offered £10, plus P&P and the other didn't mention a price, but also wanted to buy outside E-Bay.
Now, my understanding is that if you put an item up for auction, then you're allowed to withdraw it, but you're not allowed to sell outside E-Bay, and not really allowed to sell before end of auction unless you put a "Buy Now", or "Make an Offer" tag on it. Quite rightly, I think, my daughter-in-law refused to accept, as she thought it unfair on other bidders who had submitted their bids.
The upshot of it all was, the person who offered £10 plus P&P won the item, for a mere £1.90, plus P&P. What are your views on this, and what would you have done if you had been my daughter-in-law? What is your understanding of the E-Bay selling policies? Was my daughter-in-law correct in what she did? Do you think the two buyers who contacted her should have been reported to E-Bay? Your views, please?
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22 responses
@Wolfechu (1193)
• United States
29 Jun 08
I'm not sure what the actual policy is, but I can't see a problem with it, really.
Is it possible to edit the auctions while they're running, and add a 'buy it now' option for 10 quid? It's been a while since I sold anything on there, but I'm reasonably certain you can edit some aspects, at least.
If that seems unfair to the other bidders, bear in mind they're going to be notified of any changes to the auction by email; they have every chance of taking the 'buy it now' offer too.
Is this an original Mr. Frosty? I remember those as a kid, and I'm not sure if they still make them. If it was, you probably let it go for way below the collector's value.
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@ellie333 (21016)
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29 Jun 08
Hi Once someone has placed a bid you cannot go and alter to a buy it now, this can only be done after item up for aution but no with active bids if this makes sense. The first time someone requested this of me this is what I thought could perhaps be done to follow policy rulings and found out then that I couldn't. Ellie :D
@Wolfechu (1193)
• United States
29 Jun 08
Ah, that makes more sense. I think I generally put a buy it now on everything, but made it high enough that most people would bid first anyway.
In that case, it's really up to your conscience, but to be honest, I think I would have done exactly the same thing as you, and felt slightly cheated when I only got a couple of quid for it ;)
@Darkwing (21583)
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29 Jun 08
Hi Wolf! No, I think Ellie's right on this one. I don't sell on E-Bay, but I can imagine my annoyance if somebody gazumped me that way! I would be in touch with E-Bay straight away. As it happened, the woman who made the offer of £10 won it anyway, so she was better off bidding. One can always put in a maximum bid of £10, if they're prepared to pay that much should others bid higher.
It was my granddaughter's Mr. Frosty, so probably not that original, as she's only coming up for eleven years old. It's probably about six or seven years old, but it still has the box and is in very good condition, as she rarely used it. You know how the novelty wears off with kids!
Brightest Blessings.
@ellie333 (21016)
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29 Jun 08
Hi Darkwing. I have bought and sold a lot on Ebay and on a few ocassions I have been asked to sell outside. This is totally against their policy and I never would. I would have been really peeved about the winner being the one that offered the £10 and getting for £1.90 though but obviously really wanted and it has gone to the home is it now supposed to be with. Your son when putting item up for sale even though starting at 99p could have put a buy it now price on the item of say £15 then if someone desparately wanted it before the auction ended they could have bought but wouldn't have received a bargain £1.90 certainly was. I put a buy it now often as some items I don't want to sell for less than this price. Ellie :D
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@Darkwing (21583)
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29 Jun 08
Yes, I agree. You've said more or less everything I told my daughter-in-law. She's always very fair in her judgements and I'm proud of her for telling this person that it wouldn't be fair to other bidders to sell out of auction. Good for her! She's cool about getting a lower price. At least the item drew some interest and she's learned from it. There have been times when she's made way above what she's asked, so it's swings and roundabouts really and a chance you have to take, unless as you say, you cover yourself with a "Buy Now" button.
Brightest Blessings and thank you for the explanation, my dear friend. xxx
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@ellie333 (21016)
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29 Jun 08
Forgot to answer the last two questions, your daughter-in-law did do the correct thing and this will be reflected in the feedback she gets and even though only sold this item for a small amount integrity matters more. I personally don't report people as it good be that they just really want the item. I won a mini razor chopper bike worth £249 which I didn't want so I put on Ebay and had a few private requests to buy it immediately. I responded pleasantly back sayig thanks but no thanks I need to see the aution through to the end and that I hoped they were successful in their bid. Ellie :D
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@ellie333 (21016)
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29 Jun 08
Hi Darkwing, I really am off to bed now, just one more response, ooop and an hour has gone, 5 or 6 later. I use another site that is free to list and have sold a fair amount but it is fairly new so put what you really want for it as a starting price downwiththehammer. Might be worth her giving a try. Glen the guy who runs it is lovely and very helpful too. Ellie :D xxx
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
30 Jun 08
no report to e-bay but should always put bunow tag on it then the one that goes the highest still gets it might have to have put !0 buy now or something like that. and I dont know why they couldnt buy it staight form you if ya had with held it.
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@teapotmommommerced (10359)
• United States
2 Jul 08
I would have done what your daughter did. I feel it was unfair of the person who wanted it to ask for it in advance. I do not know the policies but the morally correct thing to do is what your daughter did. It may have been an Ebay spy and could have gotten her in a lot of trouble.
Your daughter did the right thing. Good job!
@teapotmommommerced (10359)
• United States
6 Jul 08
You are welcome. I buy from Ebay every so often and have not had any problems except this last month. I need to track a package that I never received. I did insure it. The seller says I have to go to the post office to have it tracked. I will have to do it on Monday.
@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
30 Jun 08
Good Morning Darkwing,
I thought I'd pop over here for a minute to see what's going on and here you are.
I've been selling and buying on Ebay for years. No one should be able to contact you outside of Ebay and all transactions should be made through Ebay only. This protects the seller and the buyer from scammers. It is against Ebay's policy to do this and your daughter-in-law did the correct thing...no doubt about it. It's a shame she lost money but at the same time if this person for some reason or another decided not to pay your daughter-in-law, Ebay will step in to help. I myself, would have reported them. Have a great day sweetie.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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30 Jun 08
Woohoo... another long-lost friend surfaces. How have you been doing, dear one?
Yes, you've outlined policies in the exact way I understood them. It doesn't matter to my daughter in law that she lost money through it... she kept her pride and her respect as a seller. I would have reported them too, but she is so considerate of people that she didn't do so... in the end, the item was won by the person who offered her the £10 immediate purchase.
Thank you... you have a great day too, my dear friend, and Brightest Blessings. I hope you're progressing well on your new path. xxxx
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@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
30 Jun 08
Hi Sugar,
Not doing so well hon. Obstacle after obstacle after obstacle. If this is my new path I'd better turn left or get off at the next exit, lol! I thought last year was bad but this one doesn't seem any better, no matter how hard I try. Every single day, something goes wrong. I'm really tired of it all.
How are you doing my friend? Enjoying that beautiful scenery in that awesome country of yours? Wish I was there with you. Take care and talk to you soon...got to go to work, ugh.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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1 Jul 08
Hmmm.. you don't seem to have succeeded in getting rid of those nasty old negatives which have been plaguing you. Either that, or you need protection from some power or other! Have you talked with your spirit guides?
I've been ok... the usual ups and downs but more ups at the moment. It's finding the balance that is so necessary to progress, I find. xxx
@creationsbyrobin (3071)
• United States
27 Jul 08
I think eBay does have an option in their system to end the auction early, stating the item is no longer available. Your daughter also could have claimed their was an error in the listing and ended early.
Did she do the right thing. Morally, yes she did. I've been the high bidder on items that were ended with less than 30 minutes remaining and these were the reasons that were used. The real reason was the item wasn't being bid on, and the seller just wasn't going to sell the item for the current high bid.
In these days of eBay, with the insane fees a seller is charged... listing fees, final value fees, Paypal fees and no protection against non-paying bidders (other than not leaving them a positive feedback) I will no longer have any problem pulling an auction that hasn't reached a price I'm happy with.
Currently, I set auctions at a price I'm already happy with selling the item at. If it only receives one bid, that's okay. Multiple bids, I'm very happy. I don't end auctions early to accept outside offers, even if it means I sell the item for less than the offered price.
As far as reporting the bidders to eBay, no I wouldn't. First off, eBay really doesn't do much to buyers unless they don't pay for items. For making offers to end early, the only thing they might do is warn them about their policy. Most likely the bidders would never bid on one of your daughter's items again.
It does stink that she sold an item for far less than she could have sold it for privately, but I think she did the right thing. I'd consider setting a price that she's happy with selling items for, that way she's never disappointed.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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27 Jul 08
Yes, it's lousy that she got less for it than she could have, but I feel that morally, she can be proud of herself.
Thank you for your very detailed response. There's one point I would like to add as a regular buyer though, and that is that we're no longer allowed to leave negative feedback for a seller. That's not a bad decision on E-Bay's part, I guess.
Brightest Blessings.
@waynet (2649)
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3 Jul 08
As a marketing type myself, this is one of them strategies, where some of the same buyers try to unsettle the sellers confidence in their listings by offering a bit more than the sellers starting price even though they may have bidded already at a lower price, thus quite often walking away with the item attained by some mystical powerselling hustler method!!
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
1 Jul 08
I am not so sure about the Rules there I know when my Son put something on Ebay a couple of years ago he was contacted by this Person to my Son kept it on Ebay and this Person out bid them all the time
He wanted my Son to send the Item to him and my Son refused until he had the Cheque as I thought something was not right, he sent the Cheque, we put it in the bank 3 Days later my Son got a call from the bank as the Cheque was a fraud big Investigations went which involved Ebay to, so I really do not think that People should contact the Seller and yes they should be reported as soon as they do because of this sort of thing happening
Ok they only got £1.90 but it is safer that way
In my Sons Case we where talking more money then that as it was a Car he was selling
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
2 Jul 08
I used to sell for several years on Ebay and here's what I know. It is against policy to offer outside Ebay offers. The buyer making the offer should be turned in b/c they are violating the policies by offering to do so. If the buyer does agree to it and is caught (and they do set up situations to purposely catch ppl doing this) they can be banned from Ebay.
Your daughter in law did the right thing however she should also have sent the emails or messages from the two ppl to the Ebay staff so they know that these ppl are doing this.
**AT PEACE WITHIN**
~~STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS~~
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@mummymo (23706)
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2 Jul 08
I have to say that as far as I am aware you are correct about the ebay policies and if your son and daughter in law had withdrawn the item and then sold it to one of these bidders they could have been banned from ebay forever. You can set a reserve so I may have withdrawn the item and then relisted it with a reserve price if I did anything but as it stand I definitely think they did the right thing! xxxx
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@raydene (9871)
• United States
30 Jun 08
Hi Sweet
I have been selling since the early 90's.
I never sell things that are loaded on ebay in an outside sale.
I send a short email telling them to bid if they are interested.
A friend lost her ebay account for doing this. I suspect someone from ebay asked to buy the item. She did it 3 different times. You know that greed will get you in the end.
xoxoxoxoxo
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@Darkwing (21583)
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30 Jun 08
Ah, the voice of experience. Yes, it's as I thought, and your friend losing her account is indicative of the policy being quite strict.
Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution, my dear friend. I hope you're feeling a little better today... take some time to ponder the positive things. xxxx
@applefreak (3130)
• Singapore
27 Jul 08
i wouldn't want to be in your daughter-in-law's situation. it's really hard to accept that i've rejected an offer that is so much better than what i actually got. guess i would have done the same thing as your daughter-in-law since there is already bids on the auction. don't think i'll report it though, as the seller merely made an offer. the no-sell outside e-bay policy is crafted to protect buyers and sellers. sometimes sellers are approached by scammers who offered a much higher price for the item but failed to pay after the item is delivered. cheers ;p
@Darkwing (21583)
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27 Jul 08
That's true, my friend and something I hadn't even thought about with the scammers. This person was a genuine bidder because they won the item anyway, but I can't understand why they would have offered a higher price before auction end... unless they were going away on holidays of course.
Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution.
@creative_genius (992)
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30 Jun 08
I would only report people being aggressive or unlawful on Ebay. Ebay try and make as much money as possible so they will obviously do their best to stop people trading off their site. They lose their commission you see. She could have withdrawn the item and then added it as 'buy it now'. Then that would be abiding by the policy, but then why does the buyer want to purchase off Ebay? Ehey would be protected partly with the feedback system so it looks odd that they want to buy off Ebay. Perhaps they just wanted a fixed price? I wouldn't report them anyway!
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@lingli_78 (12821)
• Australia
30 Jun 08
i never actually sell or buy items from ebay before... so i don't really know how the system works... i thought ebay should state the policy clearly in their TOS... but your daughter-in-law is doing the right thing even though she suffers lower price... take care and have a nice day...
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
30 Jun 08
I agree when selling to ebay you should abide to their policies, even though it's a loss of money. It's too bad they got it at such a low bid though. I would use a higher starting price or a reserve price to prevent this from happening.
Or use 'buy it now or best offer'. In that case you have more power over what happens in your listing. I hope that helps.
@kayrod2 (1304)
• Australia
29 Jun 08
I didnt think you were allowed to contact the seller outside of ebay. How do they get the email address? I always thought that ebay kept that private. I dont think its right though. Same with selling the item before the auction ends. I didnt even know you could withdraw it. I would of done the same as your daughter-in-law, even though it would of bought in more money. The downside, i suppose, is that she would of got more money, but she did the right thing. If i was watching an item that i was interested in and it was taken off prior to the end of auction i wouldnt be happy. Im not sure about the reporting of them, i dont know how that all works on ebay, but i think they were in the wrong to make contact.
Best wishes to you, Darkwing and take care my friend
xxxx
@Darkwing (21583)
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29 Jun 08
Yes, I think the buyers were in the wrong to make contact. I don't know how they managed to contact them outside of E-Bay because whenever I've asked the seller a question, it has been through E-Bay's messaging service, where they can keep an eye on proceedings.
I have a feeling that E-Bay ask you to report any activity that's against policies, but I'm not even sure on that one. However, I'd be the same as you, and become extremely annoyed if somebody jumped my bid in this way. They don't need to do that... all they need to do is put in a maximum bid of ten pounds, then if the bids don't reach that much, they just pay the lower price.
Brightest Blessings, my dear friend. xxx
@fluffysue (1482)
• United States
30 Jun 08
I know some of Ebay's rules have changed since I last sold 2 years ago. But my understanding was that you should not engage in transactions outside of Ebay. I think that was more for protection of the buyer, though, than anything else. I do believe it goes against their policies to engage in a transaction like what you are talking about, but I think usually it is the seller attempting it, not the buyer. I definitely think she was right to refuse the transaction.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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30 Jun 08
Yes, me too. I'm quite proud of her, even though she lost money doing so. She refused because of the other bidders, which is quite an honourable thing to do, I feel. Not only that... I'm sure it's against E-Bay policy to engage in any transaction outside their auction site, once you've listed with them. Ok, when the listing time runs out, I guess you can do what you want to, but not before.
Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution.
@latoyahall (835)
• United States
30 Jun 08
It is a bummer that you could have gotten more money for it. But it is much wiser to stick with ebay policy in case of scams.
@Darkwing (21583)
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30 Jun 08
Oh boy! I never thought of it from a scam point of view, but you're right... it so well could have turned out that way.
I think she was not only considerate, but wise, in turning down the offers, even if she did get less for it. It's swings and roundabouts on E-Bay. Some things you'll get more than you expected for and others, less.
Brightest Blessings, and thank you for your contribution.
@tamarafireheart (15384)
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29 Jun 08
Hello DarkWing,
I don't really know much about E-Bay, but My husband does because he has done buy and sell on them. In my veiw I thin if you are selling something on e-bay you should stick to it,its not fair on other bidder, people should not come and offer outside of e-bay, once its on e-bay thats it.
Regards
Tamarafireheart.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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29 Jun 08
I agree with you, unless you put in the "Make an Offer" or "Buy It Now" buttons at the beginning of the auction, then you should stick with your original start of bidding, which in this case, was 99p. You have to take your chances on E-Bay... sometimes an item will create tremendous interest amongst buyers and soar to a ridiculously high price and others, well you just have to accept the low bids.
Brightest Blessings, my friend.






















