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myLot reputation of 95/100. estherlou (3835)   ranked 277 out of 32,944 in life 3 years ago

Now I've heard everything. In some parts of the country, Muslim calls to worship are commonplace. In Phoenix, ringing the church bells is prohibited by a local noise ordinance. Interestingly enough, the bells were not louder than what was allowed for ice cream trucks.
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1. myLot reputation of 96/100. Lakota12 (23197)   ranked 180 out of 32,944 in life   3 years ago

that is getting beyound rediculous!

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2. myLot reputation of 97/100. jillmalitz (4117)   ranked 6,370 out of 32,944 in life   3 years ago

That is just nuts.

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3. myLot reputation of 99/100. scarlet_woman (11395)   ranked 20 out of 32,944 in life   3 years ago

last time i was in phoenix,the traffic was so noisy i'm surprised they could hear anything other than that.

some areas of the country,people will complain about any noise now,bells or not.they were griping about the hospital generator in my town.people don't seem to be happy unless they're complaining about something anymore.

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4. myLot reputation of 91/100. oriental (960)   3 years ago

No, Estherlou, there is another one you have to hear. In Punta del Este, a South Atlantic uruguayan resort, neighbours complained because the bells of a chapel near their houses disturbed their sleep. You know... in Punta del Este people stay up till early morning, because of having gone to dance to discos and the kind, and then they sleep past noon. I think it must be much bothersome the music coming out of the discos than the ringing of the bells.

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5. myLot reputation of 95/100. LittleMel (7633)   ranked 264 out of 32,944 in life   3 years ago

you're right. I came from a country with majority Moslem population. Their call to worship was done during whenever it supposed to be done, doesn't matter if non Moslems like my family happens to live nearby. I have never heard, and yes this is true, I have never heard any Moslem or anyONE person complains to them to the point they can be jailed for it. of course they complain to each other, who wouldn't? these calls to worship was made 3 times a day, it sure has more chance to disturb somebody's sleep than church bells that don't ring that often. but jailed because of that? nope. is it a noisy place? nope, not at the hours they ring it for sure. If you have ever wondered why moslems are so proud of their religion, now you know why. Now they are going to belittle non moslems more, knowing that no one will ever jail them for calling people to worship. Even now I live here, Canada is definitely non moslem country, I've never heard any moslem jailed for that reason. Why are people doing this, to certain religion and not to all? Maybe organized religion isn't favorable, but until the law says certain religion is not allowed to be practiced, the followers should be allowed to practice it and ringing the bell has been done for centuries. Ridiculous, isn't it?

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6. myLot reputation of 97/100. BarBaraPrz (6650)   3 years ago

Oh, for heaven's sake!!!
Do they have laws prohibiting lawnmowers, then? Because they're a LOT noisier and unpleasant than church bells. Somebody somewhere there needs a "technical adjustment upside the head".

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7. myLot reputation of 95/100. OreoCookie3 (22476)   3 years ago

That is so ridiculous. To me it is comforting to hear church bells ringing. One of the churches I used to go to rung their bells automatically at the change of the hours. You knew what time it was by the chimes.


myLot reputation of 95/100. zeloguy (2397)   ranked 1,619 out of 32,944 in life  3 years ago

You did not read the story nor did you read the injunction. It was NOT church bells ringing... it was a song being played every hour every day on the hour.

To stop someone or some church from ringing church bells for a call to church, that is where I would draw the line.

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8. myLot reputation of 95/100. zeloguy (2397)   ranked 1,619 out of 32,944 in life   3 years ago

I have read the order and I have read the story.

1. They are not church bells but electronic sounds of bells. If it were a 'real' bell there might be a different outcome.
2. There are places in the country (many places) where ice cream trucks are not allowed to play their music and a lot of other places have provisions on how they are to be played (the same music can't be played over and over or whatever).
3. There are places in the US where the American flag cannot be used as an 'advertising tool'. The story I remember is a car dealership that had flags on all the radio antennas of the cars on his lot....
4. Are the same restrictions on Muslims in the same town? Then if there is an exception for them and not for Christians (although Muslims actually have a reason as it is a call to prayer) then you have a beef, if not there is a noise ordinance and all need to abide by it.

Remember America is a HUGE country and you can find stories of just about anything if you look hard enough. Yes 60-70 decibles is about the sound of normal conversation but at 8am in the morning I really don't want to be wakened by the sound of someone talking over my bed or the chant of some "ancient melody".

If you don't like what is in your neighborhood/city/state/country you as an American citizen has the right to vote the people who made these laws out of office. That is how democracy works. SOMEONE wrote that law and all the judge was doing was upholding what was on the books.

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9. myLot reputation of 97/100. danishcanadian (24606)   ranked 88 out of 32,944 in life   3 years ago

OK now I've heeard everything. This is just crazy. What the heck is this world coming to? If they really want to get someone, they need to get those idiots who drive by with their bloody music blasting out of their cars, to the point that they blow people at outdoor cafes right out of their seats.

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