The Universal Health Care (Insurance) debate in the US
By TheRealDawn
@dawnald (85137)
Shingle Springs, California
June 23, 2009 12:04pm CST
Last night while I was on here doing brainless things, Richard watched something on health ins. So I was kept up listening to stories of people in Canada who couldn't get health care on time. First was the man who needed hip surgery ASAP and was scheduled for 2012, but was able to come here, negotiate the price down, pay cash and have the surgery the next day. Second was a woman in labor, no beds in the hospital, who was flown to Colorado and had the baby there. Honestly, I was expecting some kind of disaster story like the one on the video from Palestine (ie she got there too late, lost the baby, etc.), but no.
But anyway it turned into a monologue about how we like our freedoms, to choose our doctor, etc. And I agreed, right now I can go to any MD I want and my insurance will pay them, either the in network amount or the lower out of network amount. Certain treatments are excluded (experimental or whatever), but in general if I want to see Dr. A and the wait is too long, I can call around until I find somebody who doesn't have a wait.
But it's the security net that I don't have that worries me. I won't even get into how most insurances won't pay for chiropractic or naturopathy. I'm talking about pre-existing conditions exclusions. If I lose my job, I have certain security nets. 1) I can continue to pay for the insurance via Cobra, but it's expensive. 2) Richard's employer's insurance is obligated to pick us up. Employer insurances don't have pre-existing conditions exclusions. But if we both lose our jobs and we can't afford the Cobra, that's where it gets gnarly.
What do I go to the doctor for now? Heart condition. Fibromyalgia. Herniated disk. Arthritis. Female problems. All of those things would be excluded from coverage if I were to try and get private insurance. I can go for checkups and for new conditions, basically. Better than nothing, but if the heart condition, just as an example, developed from a benign condition to something serious, I'm in trouble. But hey, less than 14 years I can get Medicare and that all goes away. And that's what all the people who are unemployed or self employed have to deal with.
But the bottom line of his monologue was that socialized medicine is bad, conditions in countries that have it are bad, we don't want it. We need to find some other way to get people covered.
All very well and good, if true, but can we afford to give everybody the kind of coverage that I have now. I don't think so. Are the scare stories true? Some of them probably. Is it as bad as he thinks it is? Probably not. Are we spoiled? Yep, no doubt about it!
So, if you're in the US, what is your take on the whole thing? What do you think the best solution is?
And if you're in a country that has some form of universal health care, what do you like about it? What do you dislike about it?
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@cynthiann (18612)
• Jamaica
23 Jun 09
As you lknow I wa brought up in the U.K. where health care was free to all and we all benefitted from it. I don't remember any restrictions at all then but there are many restrictions now. It has gone downhill so badly. Where I live is also a nightmare. when I stop working I do not know how I could pay for health insurance and if I don't then what I get is sweet Fanny Adams!
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@cynthiann (18612)
• Jamaica
23 Jun 09
Oh dear - it is an old British Euphemism for something really quite rude. You use the two first initials - namely F and A. Well the A stands for the word ALL and I will let you guess what the other word that begins with the letter F stands for.



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@VotreAmie (3028)
• United States
24 Jun 09
I lived in France and Canada and now I am living in the US (5 years). I don't know who is doing these documentaries. You can also watch the documentaries about how bad it is in the US for people who don't have the money to access health care. If you have money, whether you are in a country that has socialized medicine or not, you will have care,the best of care because you can pay for it. Take care.
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
24 Jun 09
I'll agree with that, if you have money it's not a problem. My concern is far more for the people who don't have it and what they might have to put up with. And I'm sure, for every horror story documentary, there are hundreds of success stories.
@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
23 Jun 09
Dawn-
I like the plan that is being presented by Obama, personally. I wish they'd do more. I wish they'd put a cap on the premiums, copays, etc. I want to see a system that charges every American the same premium, pays for full coverage, covers all conditions, pays for all medications needed, doesn't stop coverage, has no copays, allows you to see whomever you need to for services including medical, vision, and dental (all on one plan), and continues even if you are temporarily unemployed (no back charges on your insurance once employed).
I suppose I am idealistic about the perfect medical plan but perhaps that is because I am with a pretty crappy plan right now and I don't have choices. The cheapest plan for us through my husband's work which is still 600 a month, with unset copays, and a percentage scale for precriptions, crappy dental, yearly family deductable that isn't moved to family until each individual has met their individual deductable per year, and doesn't cover much. I hate it because I can't go to any doctor I want, I have to go in network and even in network not very much is covered. The system needs to change if you ask me. I don't qualify for public aid, so my medical is bringing down my credit score quicker then my debt!
I've had two hospitalizations this year, and my daughter had surgery this year. I'm still trying to figure out how to pay the bills that insurance suddenly claims they don't want to cover. Not that what they cover is much!
I've not seen a dentist since we got insurance because they don't cover anything outside the cleaning. All fillings, etc are horrendous and I can't afford them on one income.
I feel that people shouldn't be punished for the work they do, or if they choose to stay at home. Everyone has a right to healthcare in this country. We are wealthy enough to make sure that everyone is covered without making the insurance companies wealthy.
In the communication class I just finished we spoke about how America has to leave behind capitalistic consumerism and change the ideology. Once we begin to change that and start treating people as humans, we'll see a change over all and it will still be profitable. The misconception now is that if we start providing national healthcare, etc that we'll someone loose money, but we won't because people will still be paying in at some point in their life. That's at least what I want to see.
Namaste-Anora
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@dawnald (85137)
• Shingle Springs, California
23 Jun 09
I'd go farther than saying we're wealthy enough to provide everybody with decent health care. I'd say the government has a responsibility to its citizens to do it. There goes my job though possibly. Oh well.



