a debt that cannot be payed...reciprocity; inner debt; moral debt...
By ckyera
@ckyera (17331)
Philippines
July 11, 2009 1:18am CST
was it really that difficult to pay? or we cannot really pay it as long as we are alive?
i hear some people saying to someone "you do not know how to look back with someone who have helped you... you have a moral debt to them...you owe them something...you have to pay..."
a child have an inner debt to their parents, we have debt to someone who have helped us, saves us...
is these debts payable? or we can't really pay a price for it? is a good deed can be enough to pay these debts? but for how long?
you, do you have any debt, i mean this kind of debt to anyone? how do you pay it?
do it have a price?
for me, its something that's really hard to pay or really priceless...i recognize that i have this inner debt to my parents for i owe them my life...there are also some people who i feel i have debt and still recognizing it and trying to do my best to pay it back for some way or another...with my parents i know that this debt is something that i owe to them as long as i am alive...
how about you? can you share and can we talk about it?
thanks and have a nice day...
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9 responses
@dpk262006 (58679)
• Delhi, India
20 Aug 09
Hi ck!
I feel it is a kind of cycle, some people keep helping us and keep supporting us and keep doing favours to us, apart from our close relatives life our parents and elders etc. However, it may not be possible to repay the debt to all them (to the same persons) due to so many reasons. We on our part, could be supportive to others and we should also help others, wherever possible, irrespective of the fact whether our 'favours' will be returned or not. We should least 'expect' about it. We should not stopping helping others, just because they may not return our debts.


@dpk262006 (58679)
• Delhi, India
21 Aug 09
Hi ck!
I fully agree with you that though we can't repay all debts to some people...we should atleast feel grateful for their favours in our heart of heart and we should show our gratefulnes to them and we should always respect them.
Deepak
PS - Oh! Come on! Don't say 'sorry', even if you post your comments a bit late, what matter is your comments, irrespective of its time of posting. 
I fully agree with you that though we can't repay all debts to some people...we should atleast feel grateful for their favours in our heart of heart and we should show our gratefulnes to them and we should always respect them.
Deepak
PS - Oh! Come on! Don't say 'sorry', even if you post your comments a bit late, what matter is your comments, irrespective of its time of posting. 1 person likes this
@ckyera (17331)
• Philippines
21 Aug 09
hello dpk!
well yes i agree with you...we should help and support others without expecting anything in return, for for me that's the real sense of helping...
although we can't repay all those kind of debts to some people...atleast we can do something to show them that we are very grateful for what they have done to us...by being good to them or in any possible way that we can do...
thanks dpk and sorry for the late comments...
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@kun2349 (23381)
• Singapore
11 Jul 09
There will always be debts that we are not able to pay for sure.. Be it moral debts or inner debts, it's a totally different thing from any other forms of debts.. Because it does not concern money, but feelings..
THough we might have said to repay our debts, but it will never be enough.. As some form of help from them, might have changed our life forever, making it better.. This is one thing whereby we can repay them back equally, or just as much ^_^
Everybody is owing everybody something in this world.. There are no debt free person because whatever we do, wherever we go, helped is definitely needed.. haha =D

@kun2349 (23381)
• Singapore
11 Jul 09
YEah ^_^ We do owe our frenz, relatives, parents, family, strangers something in life ^_^ BUt how many ple actually realise that?? No that much because most of us are actually selfish.. They only think about themselves and nobody else..
Just like now, i'm also owing u a debt.. BEcause without all your posts, i wont be able to respond as much and be commenting so much too.. hehe ^_^ I owe my earnings to u ^_^
@ckyera (17331)
• Philippines
11 Jul 09
yes i think, material things are easy to pay but debt that's not material is really can't be paid for it don't have any cost!
you are right that all of us are owing someone something coz by one chance or another there are people who have helped us...we can't be who we are now, what we are, where we are just by ourselves alone...
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@ckyera (17331)
• Philippines
12 Jul 09
hahaha...me too! i owe you something here...
well i guess that seems to be the case that there are really some people who do not realize that by one way or another we are owing something to someone...even if we said that we should not wait for anything in return when we help (well that's actually the right attitude), we, if we are the one who gets the help, we should know how to be grateful to those people who do us a favor...coz we are not talking of any material things here, though we can use it sometimes to do other people a favor or to help them...
what i am just trying to say here, which i think some don't really understand is that all of us have a debt to someone, a debt that cannot be payed and that is the moral or inner debt! its not a material debt but still its a debt...a debt that we cannot pay coz it is something that's really non-payable but we must recognize this and be grateful to someone who lend this to us...
i hope you understand what i wrote coz i feel like i don't write it well, i find difficulty in expressing what i really want to say...i have limited english vocabulary! hahaha
i hope you understand what i wrote coz i feel like i don't write it well, i find difficulty in expressing what i really want to say...i have limited english vocabulary! hahaha
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
11 Jan 10
Hi Cykera,
I agree with you
, some debts are really price less and we can’t repay it
. Parents are responsible to take care of their kids and they never expect any return for their work and kids are getting opportunity when they become grown up and taking care of their own kids. But it is kid’s duty to take care of their parents in old age. In fact many are neglecting their old parents once they become independent. In my opinion we never neglect our parents and it is our duty to take care of them. We can’t pay the debts by look after our parents but we should fulfill our duty as a son/daughter.
, some debts are really price less and we can’t repay it
. Parents are responsible to take care of their kids and they never expect any return for their work and kids are getting opportunity when they become grown up and taking care of their own kids. But it is kid’s duty to take care of their parents in old age. In fact many are neglecting their old parents once they become independent. In my opinion we never neglect our parents and it is our duty to take care of them. We can’t pay the debts by look after our parents but we should fulfill our duty as a son/daughter.
@ckyera (17331)
• Philippines
11 Jan 10
hello sreekala!
nice seeing you here!~ :-)
well i also agree with you that we as children do also have responsibilities to our parents, although its our parents responsibility to take care of us and raise us well, we as children should not look at it just like that, we should also learn how to appreciate our parent's sacrifices for us and we should be grateful with it...
we can't really pay those inner debts to our parents but we can always show them our appreciation, love and care to them...
have a good day!
@daeckardt (6237)
• United States
11 Jul 09
I think one way to do this would be to not necessarily pay that person back but to pass it on to someone else. I believe that one good deed should be repaid with another, if not to the same person, to someone else. It may make that person feel like he owes you, but just tell them to help someone else out who is in need. I have always felt that I can help people best if I don't worry about getting something in return and I try not to make people feel like they owe me. I can't give back to my parents since they have been gone for many years. I think that's why I give to others. Thanks for bringing up the topic.
@ckyera (17331)
• Philippines
11 Jul 09
hi there!
well like you, i don't also think that someone owes me something when i do them a favor or i have helped them...but when someone do me a favor or who have helped me, i never forget about that and always looking for someway to at least return the favor or show my appreciation and gratitude on what they have done to me...
i agree that we can pay them through other people ...i remember there are some families who are really looking back for the help that the other family have done to them and so they return the favor up to the son of son of son of their sons...something like that...looks like it is brought to all generations...
thanks for sharing! have a good day!

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@daeckardt (6237)
• United States
11 Jul 09
I know in my family, my brother and I go back and forth with doing each other favors. It seems like he is always trying to do one better than me and I never seem to do enough to keep him happy. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Have a great day!!!
@rymebristol (1808)
• Philippines
28 Jul 09
a debt that cannot be payed are those that come from the willingness and the helping hands of our parents. that is what i consider debt for a lifetime. debt from other people can be payed, returned as a sign of gratitude.
@zearah (5381)
• Philippines
12 Jul 09
As regards to parents and offspring relationship, my point of view is when a parent care and support for the children this is not a debt to pay by the children but it's a guide and sample for them to relay the kindness to others. In here there is no debt happened a debt commensurates
only if:
The parents failed to give and provide the proper and sufficient needs of the children here the debt begins by the parents to the children. Whereas the children on the other hand will commences on their debt to their parents once they fail to care back their parents especially when they are growing old. So long as every one is doing their responsibilty their is no debt as this case is not measurable by a monetary unit.
Love and support one another both parents and children when this is present then no debt is created. The debt happened when any party intended to be irresponsible and don't do the respective obligations.

only if:
The parents failed to give and provide the proper and sufficient needs of the children here the debt begins by the parents to the children. Whereas the children on the other hand will commences on their debt to their parents once they fail to care back their parents especially when they are growing old. So long as every one is doing their responsibilty their is no debt as this case is not measurable by a monetary unit.
Love and support one another both parents and children when this is present then no debt is created. The debt happened when any party intended to be irresponsible and don't do the respective obligations.

@ckyera (17331)
• Philippines
12 Jul 09
hi zearah!
well it i got your point. thanks.
the debt i am talking about is "utang na loob"(inner debt, moral debt, reciprocity), i just want to say that all of us should learn how to recognize it and be grateful to anyone who have done us good deeds...this debt really is non-payable coz this is not a material thing, this is something that we carry in our life...
yes you are right, if we are good to our parents, we respect them, we care for them especially on their old age, well that's a way of showing to them that we recognize what they have done to us and that we are thankful to them...those were just little things that we can do to our parents since we owe them who we are and even our lives...that's why i think, even those not so good parents...or they say irresponsible parents still deserve some respect and love from their children...coz those children still owe their lives to those parents...
thanks and have a nice day!

@jpso138 (7851)
• Philippines
15 Jul 09
Yes, I do agree with you that there are things like that. I do agree likewise that it is really hard to pay such debts in fact it can never be repaid. In such case, I usually pay it forward. That is perhaps the most practical way to do it. You really get a great feeling by doing such. This is probably the reason why you such to debt to other people since they also feel great when they did something for you that you cannot repay. Thus, the best thing to do is do the same thing to someone else. I am sure that you will certainly not regret it.

@sweetashoney (3597)
• United States
11 Jul 09
All though I understand what you are saying, and a lot of people fills this way, I can remember my mother-in-law saying that about her kids, they owe me. I have 3 children and I have never felt that they owe me for having them, the only thing that they owe me is respect.
@ckyera (17331)
• Philippines
11 Jul 09
oh yes sweetashoney...there are really parents like that who always told their children that they owe them something...and i think that is not really proper coz it looks like they are waiting or imposing to their children to do something to return the favor to them...
i agree with you that parents should not think that their children have something to owe with them...let the children realize it their own and yes respect is really something that a children must give to their parents and well i think its one way of looking back on what their parents have done to them...
thanks for sharing have a nice day!
by the way, i hope people will understand what i wrote coz i myself don't feel that i have written it clearly, actually i got a hard time putting it into words...
thanks again!

@julbau18 (273)
• Philippines
12 Jul 09
I think its not a debt because when our parents gave birth to us it is not our likeness to be here. They created us so it is their responsibility to take care of us. They should not speak debt to us as their children. It is love why they gave us life. If someone helps you, you should also not be consider it as a debt. Never a debt. Helping should expects nothing in return. I hope you get my point. I personally dont expect a help in return. I am happy when I help somebody and it is priceless. For sure parents never think that we have a debt to them. They are happy seeing us happy.
@ckyera (17331)
• Philippines
12 Jul 09
hello julbau!
yes, it might not be our will to be born here, yes our parents made us out of love to each other, they took care of us, feed us, bring us to school, give everything we need, try all their best to raise us to give us what we want to give anything that can give to us...their love and all.
yes they created us and so its just their responsibility to do all those things...but as a child i think it will be great if we will know how to be grateful to them, in everything what they have done...yes maybe our parents did not think it as a debt that we need to pay (which i think is the right attitude for parents...)but we as children should still find some way in order to by anyway return the favors to our parents, respecting them, loving them and taking care of them especially in their old age...
i agree that we should never ask or expect anything in return when we give our help to others, but you as a person, don't you feel that if someone helps you, you should be grateful in it that don't you feel that you owe them something and try to return some favors if ever is possible?
thanks for sharing your thoughts!










