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myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4743)   ranked 2 out of 40 in wolves4 months ago

The ranchers are trying to get a bill passed that will okay them killing them. We now have about 800 in Idaho and they are trying to okay them killing about 200. What are your thoughts and insights?>

 
 
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GardenGerty (20329) response was accepted on 9/14/2009.
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tags:  wolves, killing, idaho, killing off a species, sick to the stomach
 
1. myLot reputation of 97/100. GardenGerty (20329)   ranked 8 out of 40 in wolves   4 months ago

I have no real insight. I hate to see us thinking we need to control a wild species by killing it. I do not know how you feel about it, but I do believe that if we keep killing things off, we will end up regretting it eventually.


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4743)   ranked 2 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

What you are saying is so true. I have worked on the wolf recovery board and am really very against the slotter of these beautiful animals. They are only doing what is instinctual for them. I think the ranchers are a bunch of big babies.

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2. raineyes (77)   ranked 17 out of 40 in wolves   4 months ago

It's relatively idiotic! Wolves are a beautiful species, and they are already threatened enough. It's just recently that they've been making this comeback, because at one point they were almost hunted into extinction! Wolves are one of my favorite animals, and I hate the thought of them being destroyed for no reason other than people just want to shoot them. We don't shoot people when there's too many of us! What gives us the right? Yes, we're smarter and have the ability to reason and think, but that just means that we have to look out for those things that are smaller and weaker and less intelligent. It doesn't give us the right to just kill anything that we want to. That's not the solution at all.

I've protested wolf killings before, but I didn't know about this one until now. Thank you for sharing this with me and everyone else.

What are your thoughts about this situation?


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4743)   ranked 2 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

I think it is assinine. The wolf population has risen to about 800 and now they want to kill about 200. the ranchers didn't whine back it the mid 1800's. Why now? They just took after their business. Now the ranchers are becoming like little whiny kids.


raineyes (77)   ranked 17 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

It is assanine. Besides that, livestock kill more people in a year than wolves ever have. It's stupid to kill off the wolves for no reason. They're necessary to te ecosystem. Also, they are just now making a comeback with their numbers, just now living the endangered area that they've been in because of they way they used to just kill every wolf they could find.


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4743)   ranked 2 out of 40 in wolves  3 months ago

You said it, Sister! I am glad I believe in Karma or I would be in a rubber room!

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3. myLot reputation of 97/100. pyewacket (11624)   ranked 10 out of 40 in wolves   4 months ago

Gee, just great. thumbdown This was one of the prime reasons I had no great love for Sarah Palin when she was chosen for VP candidate...she had a real history of sanctioning aerial wolf killings in Alaska, Don't ask why but I have a real empathy for wolves and I consider them my totem animal so I absolutely hate when I hear things like this. angry


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4743)   ranked 2 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

My totem animal also. As well as the golden eagle, buffaloe and red tailed hawk. So, my sadness is great. I wasn't big on Palin either. It is amazing to me how people think now days. Whine. That always works. And it does.


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5058)   ranked 20 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

I wasn't keen on Palin either, how was it they described her? the pitbull with lipstick on? lol but since hearing her disregard for the wolves I care even less for her. thumbdown

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4. myLot reputation of 100/100. JenInTN (3673)   ranked 21 out of 40 in wolves   4 months ago

I would suggest catching 200 and introducing them to places in which they were at one time but are no longer at. I think that it would be better to do that than to kill them. There are a lot of states that used to have these animals that aren't lucky enough to have them anymore.


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4743)   ranked 2 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

It is a bit more complicated than that. A wolf has a 100 mile range or so and that would take money and work of alot of volunteers. We had that back afew when we were on the wolf recovery level of things. Not so anymore.

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5. myLot reputation of 85/100. DawGwath (452)   ranked 24 out of 40 in wolves   4 months ago

Ok, I love animals, especially wolves, but I am not enraged by such a bill, and I can explain why. Wolves are predators. I'm not really sure what's the extent of Idaho, but I know that 800 wolves can somehow not only be an extra population, but also can be a danger for farmers and travelers. Of course I do not encourage hunting for sport (unless it is authorized by some specialized organization), but I ensure you that if you were a farmer and your sheep began to disappear one by one, then you would be very willing to get your hands on the one that did it. And if wolves get so close to human territories, it means they're very very hungry (which means their number has increased dramatically and they're running out of food).
Just my two cents, but I would be glad to be contradicted (with a good valid response).


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4743)   ranked 2 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

But the whole thing is so STUPID and SENSELESS!! Look at all the money they spent and time and enthusiasm to do the Wolf recovery just afew years ago. And now they just put a bill into affect whereby they can go kill the wolves they just got back inserted. And the ranchers have been deeling with this for generations. It is wildlife and nature at its best and the government is just going to let this happen. I am apolled!! What do they do when they anialate the wolf and the deer and elk and antelop become over populated or deseased? Spend money to go kill them when the wolf does it naturally. Kill off the wolf(only a matter of time) and we kill off ourselves!!!! They aren't necessarily very, very, hungry either. Like I said: This has been going on for generations. There are only 800 of them for god sake! That is hardly hoards of them. You have just gotten you good and valid response!!!! I am infuriated. All the work done and for what?? Didn't they look ahead and forsee this? If not, they should have. And, I would like to get a good and valid response to this. Thank you for your input.


myLot reputation of 85/100. DawGwath (452)   ranked 24 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

Ok, so from what I understand, (in not many technical terms) first they ban hunting and spend money to protectm, to rehabilitate wolves and extend their numbers and now they remove the ban and allow hunting. Yeah, that doesn't make too much sense. And probably the number isn't that high, unless, as I said, they begin to migrate from their territories and approach human establishments. And even then, going on a killing spree is not the best solution.
I guess you should make a petition, try to get some trusting organizations to defend them...

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6. myLot reputation of 94/100. Lakota12 (17094)   ranked 16 out of 40 in wolves   4 months ago

Probably really relocate them!


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4743)   ranked 2 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

You'd think! Especially after all the work and time put in to keeping them around.


myLot reputation of 94/100. Lakota12 (17094)   ranked 16 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

that is usually what they do.
I know they put some in Tenn several years ago.

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7. kima22 (3)   ranked 15 out of 40 in wolves   4 months ago

Wow are you serious? That's absurd! Why would people even think of letting them kill off such a beautiful species? 200 is a lot for them to be killing! These kinda things get my blood boiling! I am a big animal lover and wolves are my favorites. I definitely think this is wrong! Killing off the species is not the right way to fixing their problems. Those ranchers should be glad the wolves don't decide to just bring the human population down around them!:D


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4743)   ranked 2 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

ya, 200 sure is rediculous and especially when there is only 800!

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8. starlight777 (68)   ranked 23 out of 40 in wolves   4 months ago

This makes me feel absolutely sick to the stomach that people would consider killing off a species because they do what is so natural to them. I just don't understand it. They have a right to live in this world as much as we do and they are more apart of nature then we as a human race will ever be.


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4743)   ranked 2 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

Absolutely sick it is! When they have eradicated all the species then what?

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9. myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5058)   ranked 20 out of 40 in wolves   4 months ago

hiya celticeagle

I'm sorry to hear that wolves have been targetted for killing, but if it's being requested by ranchers wouldn't it be classed as culling? Don't get me wrong I'm not in favour of it, just trying to understand the situation better. Are the ranchers cattle being attacked and killed?
I remember here in the U.K. the government passed a bill agains fox hunting and I was all for it. I agreed with that because if they were becoming a threat to livestock then they should find a more humane way to deal with the problem rather than letting hounds tear them apart! thumbdown

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myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4743)   ranked 2 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

Well, what if your government had just finished up on a law they had passed that said that the fox was an endangered species and it had worked so well that you now had over one thousand in population of the beautiful creatures in your state alone? (This is after several years of them being so low in population they were nearly extinct when they usedto inhabit an area from Canada to Mexico!)Then the ranchers step in (who have populated this land since the 1700's and have dealt with more wolves then than there is now or ever will be again.) AND, with their whining and belly aching got this new law passed where for seven months they can BUY THEIR TICKETS and have the right to kill a wolf! I can send you links of You Tube videos showing long strings of dead and bloody wolves that were not killed for meat or any reason but to satisfy big time ranchers. Now, why can't these rich ranchers pay to have the wolves relocated instead of just buy a $12 ticket to go kill one??!! It is just inhumane and idiotic to me to go kill these animals when the government just finished getting them repopulated! this seems really stupid to me.


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5058)   ranked 20 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

hiya celticeagle
If any animal is an endangered species then we have a duty to protect it. I wouldn't like to see the dead wolves sad and tickets for killing them sounds preposterous! Relocation of the wolves sounds more realistic and humane. Where/who does the $12 go to?


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4743)   ranked 2 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

It goes to the government. Ofcourse! doesn't everything?


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5058)   ranked 20 out of 40 in wolves  4 months ago

yep! thumbdown

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10. prinny (23)   ranked 18 out of 40 in wolves   3 months ago

I think its really unfair. The fact that they are trying to kill a good portion of them because their population is getting out of control. Why not kill humans instead then...? we humans are definitely destroying the planet more then 800 little wolves.

Humans who support this just fail and this is one act which proves it...


myLot reputation of 97/100. celticeagle (4743)   ranked 2 out of 40 in wolves  3 months ago

Indeed! And, why put them on the endangered list, build their population back and then go shoot them!?? STUPID!

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