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myLot reputation of 94/100. writermom8 (661)   ranked 684 out of 13,133 in internet 3 years ago

Recently, I read two related incidents where two people who downloaded music from the internet were fined outrageous sums of money. (Read stories below. You can also search their titles in the internet if you want to verify them. I don't want to put any links here because the discussion might be deleted.)

What I can't understand is, why do those so-called "copyright police" going after the users of downloading software? Where in fact, these users won't be able to do that if nobody invented those software in the first place! Why don't they go after the Kazaa creators, for example, right?

What is your take on this issue? Do you think the verdicts are reasonable? Or ridiculous?


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FIRST STORY:

Illegal Downloads Cost Mother $1.92 million
Home Theater News Music - Download Technology News
Written by AVRev.com
Tuesday, 23 June 2009

Illegal Downloads Cost Mother $1.92 million
A court has ruled that Jammie Thomas-Rasset, a 32-year-old mother of four, must pay $1.92 million in damages to record companies for illegally downloading 24 tracks off of file-sharing services like Kazaa. This amounts to $80,000 per song. This is one of the last few lawsuits in the courts pertaining to illegal downloads, as the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) has said they will discontinue the suits in favor of working with ISPs to stop illegal downloads.

An attorney with the Electronic Frontiers Foundation, Fred von Lohmann, claims that this level of punishment could result in constitutional challenges on two fronts. First, because the Supreme Court has already made it clear that excessive punitive damages awards violate the Due Process clause, and second because no single defendant may be made an example of in order to deter other potential violators.

The RIAA is continuing to wind down other lawsuits as well. Last week, Universal Music Group was forced to settle a previously filed lawsuit as the defendant, Mavis Roy, didn't even own a PC at the time of the alleged violation. It's possible Universal settled the case quickly to avoid removing credibility from their investigative media firm, MediaSentry. MediaSentry uses IP based targeting, which has come into question during many of the previous trials.

Ms. Thomas-Rasset was accused of illegally sharing over 1,700 recordings, but specifically sued for 24 songs. Some of the artists included Sarah McLachlan, Goo Goo Dolls, Janet Jackson and Godsmack. Musician Richard Marx, one of the artists that created one of the 24 songs Ms. Thomas-Rasset shared, issued a strongly worded statement against the RIAA:

"As a longtime professional songwriter, I have always objected to the practice of illegal downloading of music. I have also always, however, been sympathetic to the average music fan, who has been consistently financially abused by the greedy actions of major labels. These labels, until recently, were responsible for the distribution of the majority of recorded music, and instead of nurturing the industry and doing their best to provide the highest quality of music to the fans, they predominantly chose to ream the consumer and fill their pockets.

So now we have a "judgment" in a case of illegal downloading, and it seems to me, especially in these extremely volatile economic times, that holding Ms. Thomas-Rasset accountable for the continuing daily actions of hundreds of thousands of people is, at best, misguided and at worst, farcical. Her accountability itself is not in question, but this show of force posing as judicial come-uppance is clearly abusive. Ms. Thomas-Rasset, I think you got a raw deal, and I'm ashamed to have my name associated with this issue."

According to the offical RIAA blog, the RIAA is treating the jury's verdict as a declaration that the majority "understands and believes that the same laws and rules we follow every day apply online." They equated the trial to a form of market research, with the focus group being the 12 jurors, proving that "the digital world" didn't "resemble some kind of new wild west".

Ms. Thomas-Rasset has a few options at this point to challenge the verdict. She can appeal it to the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals, likely a costly affair. She can challenge the verdict based on the Eighth amendment to the Constitution: "excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted". She can also simply stop fighting and settle with the RIAA. She was previously offered a settlement of $5,000 early in the trial, but declined. She also may be able to declare bankruptcy, assuming the debt to the RIAA qualifies.

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SECOND STORY:

Student Fined $675K for Illegal Music Downloads
Home Theater News Music - Download Technology News
Written by AVRev.com
Tuesday, 04 August 2009

Student Fined $675K for Illegal Music Downloads
Joel Tenenbaum, a 25 year old grad student at Boston University, has been told to pay damages of $675,000 to four record companies for sharing music on the internet. During the case, Tenenbaum was found guilty of downloading / sharing 22 songs via Kazaa in 2004. That's a sizable $22,500 for each illegally shared track.

During the trial Tenenbaum told the court that he downloaded more than 800 songs over the last 10 years. A RIAA spokesman told reporters that the $675K in damages will the invested in "ongoing education and anti-piracy programs". This decision comes just two months after a 32 year old single mother was ordered to pay the record companies $1.92 million for sharing 24 songs on the internet via Kazaa.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 93/100. dianmelydia (2054)   ranked 1,649 out of 13,133 in internet   3 years ago

Usually it depends on who being catched first. Usually the situation is like that. It's not an easy thing to catch the illegal download vendors. But it's very easy to catch who has done an illegal download. I've read such news for many times. And i think we need to have a more complete laws to judging these people. Sometimes the result seems to be unfair. Who is victim, is not actually clear enough. This is an international problem. The same thing can happened anywhere in this world and to anyone. Perhaps the authority thought by punishing some criminals in such case can make the other afraid with the laws. But the fact is, those criminals who being catched are only a few number from total criminals in this case. The percentage is very small. Perhaps it's only 1% or even 0.1% from total cases. So this way perhaps is not effective. That's why the authority should have new laws instrument and new method to protect the right's owners and to prevent any illegal download. But this is not an easy thing to realizing. It needs a cooperation from every people who really aware with the copyrights. Good luck and have a nice day. Happy mylotting.

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2. myLot reputation of 88/100. bluesinjid (575)   ranked 2,321 out of 13,133 in internet   3 years ago

I think this is ridiculous they got fined, but then again it is their fault that they didn't encrypt their torrents and all that other info. I think that the up loaders should be fined, but then again we all know downloading torrents is illegal.

However, I feel the authorities went way to overboard charging these 2 people.

Now the thing that baffles me is how internet police catch this, as they obviously why tracking these 2 people, when almost everyone does it, guess they were the wrong place the wrong time!

Now, I know how to encrypt my torrents so they won't get throttled and also that no one can see if i am downloading a torrent or not.

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3. myLot reputation of 89/100. LouieWpHs04 (2764)   ranked 881 out of 13,133 in internet   3 years ago

I think it's feasible that they should go after these people but I think it's ridiculous what they charge them and get away with in a court of law. They should be made to pay a little more then what the music would have cost if they bought in a store. Mainly so that they cover not only the cost of the music, but the cost of the court case in question. However, they're mainly doing this to scare off others from downloading. Apparently it's not very effective, though. The idea being that if they slap a big enough fine on x number of people in different age groups it will scare others off from doing it. Problem is that it's their only means of doing it. They can't exactly go get everyone. Jails would be overcrowded, colleges would be empty, and in fact. A lot of workplaces that keep the economy going would be empty. Lot's of Walmart, Mcdonalds, burgerking, etc. employees would go missing. Hence why they select individuals of different age groups and not a whole lot of people.

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4. myLot reputation of 82/100. killer04 (256)   ranked 6,039 out of 13,133 in internet   3 years ago

I think that the people sharing Illegal music should be fined. The problem however is that they are made to pay excessive amounts of money per track. For the person paying $22,500 per track, is ridiculous. Considering from some sites one track costs around $1, we can say that they are pushing it, even though I agree that the RIAA should use methods to scare people from downloading Illegally.

Answering the second question, I think that it is only the user's of the program who should be fined. The program is just a means to do the dirty deed but the user is the one who is actually doing the dirty deed. After all the creators created the program to share files even though most of the traffic from these programs are Illegal downloads.

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